veteran001:

Most atheist would say religion is used to control people negatively but they don't reason what the world would be like if all the people on earth are to be free thinkers. "unbelievably terrible" is the word to describe that situation almost half way, so why all the disproving?

That is why religion "is there ".

If there were no religion, believe me, everybody would be dwad by now.

Religion is meant to curb and check the excess of man... When employed d right way, it creates orderly societies .... And it can wipe out societies too if misused.

So religion itself is not bad. Its how people apply it.

Kudos sir

SenatePresdo:
So if science and fact can't confirm the credibility 'Noah's ark' that means it should make me throw away my bible?
funny.

Science is interesting, but we should be wary of when we take its above limit.
Science is still very tender regarding the ratio of the known to the unknown
In-as-much as I found it difficult to find convincing reasons to believe the Noah's flood actually happened, even before this thread was created,
It still does not mean that
It really never happened. Because it might not be like a day-to-day flood we experience now.
That kinda flood might be supernaturally caused since the motive of destroying the earth then, was from a supernatural being. So everything about that flood was supernatural and since science has not be able to grasp some of the smallest explanation of supernatural event that
Is happening in this present day,
How can it explain the ones that happened centuries ago.
Of some supernatural events.

Science is still pondering on how to make teleporting a reality, but it has been a reality many centuries ago!
Science is still in its infantry, and anybody that takes it as standard for explaining how the universe works is also an infant.

I wonder how people take science as a standard for explanations, even when they haven't had a manned mission to venus that has been visited by occult/psychics centuries ago.

I can't continue, if you take science as an absolute means of finding the truth, good.
But know it that science is still very young.... Christians be sensitive. God be with you.

Respect bro Respect!!!

You're like a highly trained doctor who believes that HIV and Cancer are incurable.... Where as, an old illiterate African traditional doctor will cure those diseases with herbs and no side effects.

I have seen cancer being cured with palm win, garlic and paw paw extract.... If I tell a cancer specialist at John Hopkins that it is possible, he won't believe me...


How true is your claim?

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I wouldn't say he is scared of the questioning...Nigerian atheism seemz a bit different..the post should be meant for reasoning and not throw-the-bible-away thing...I am atheist but show no phobia to religion by trying to condemn what they believe, cos i believe in nothing doesn't mean another can't believe in something...the fact u read a religious book to slash the followers reveals how scared u are or how much hatred u have...live and let live...I know some religious pple are bigots, talk more about hell than they do love...

To my dear friend who had proved beyond doubt that truly the Bible is correct but is see-ing the truth upside down. And when he read the Bible you read it with ill to find fault with it and not to learn or research with it.
Firstly, read Genesis 1:1,6-10, you will understand that the water from which land up merge is still there and the one in the. Sky. Genesis 7:11-12 says the fountain of the deep breaks out and the heavens open. I hope you read that part. From where do water in well or boreholes or the one gotten during oil drilling comes from?

Even when it rain 6hrs in Ibadan in 1980, do know how much damage it caused.
Secondly, God told Noah to take "two of every sort" Gen 6:19. So for example, we have over 200 breeds of dogs but all dogs are a SPECIES of animal, therefore Noah has to take two puppies. Noah only had to take weaned baby of all big animals like lion, elephant etc.
Some animal can survive both terrestrial and aquatic I.e tortoise,penguins , so there is no need for Noah to take them in into the ark.
Lastly, those animals in the ark are not big animal that can weigh thousands of kilograms.
THE PROBLEM WITH MODERN MAN IS THAT HE THOUGHT HE IS MORE WISE THAN ANCIENT MAN BECAUSE OF SCIENCE,BUT HE'S NOT.
ANCIENT MAN IS MORE WISER THAN MODERN MAN

oweniwe:


That is why religion "is there ".

If there were no religion, believe me, everybody would be dwad by now.

Religion is meant to curb and check the excess of man... When employed d right way, it creates orderly societies .... And it can wipe out societies too if misused.

So religion itself is not bad. Its how people apply it.

Kudos sir

It bothers me that people still buy into this completely false idea that religion is the maintainer of human ethics & morality. Perhaps in the 2nd century when it was the best civilization had in terms of law. But not in the 21st century.

There is actually a trend between religiosity and HIGHER crime and poverty rates. Countries that have higher proportions of religious people (like most African and Middle Eastern countries) have more crime and corruption, while countries with higher secular majorities (like Australia, Japan and Netherlands) are safer, more educated, and more peaceful.

Ask yourself, how do the 80% of China's population who identify as atheist or non-religious, keep from robbing and assaulting eachother in the absence of dogma? How do they live so harmoniously without churches on every street corner?

HardMirror:

Note that the bible did not say God created extra water. The author must have thought that the sky must be filled with so much water that simply saying it rained for 40 days straight would mean the whole earth would be covered.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If you read Genesis 1 you would have seen that water covered the entire earth before Adam was created . God separated the water above from water on the earth. The reason water covered the earth was because God had destroyed the first world with flood before Adam came . This flood disnt just cover the earth but also the solar system . So the body of water in Gods bank is bigger than the earth itself .

The bible says the earth existed and came out of water .

2 Peter 3:5
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Have you been deceived?

No you have rather been recieved from the website you're doing copy and paste from.

oweniwe:


Not really. The sun's radiation intensity affects planets orbit.

Maybe when the sun/earth were younger long ago or so..... The earth spinned faster than it is spinning now.

If the sun suddenly burns more or less energy, it'll affect the earth ' s orbit, weather, climate, winds...

Since the time of Noah, a lot of changes would have taken place.

Okay.

oweniwe:


That shows you're very ignorant.

If aeroplane as big as five storey buildings can fly, an horse... Even elephants will fly if they have suitable wings.

Dragons existed up to the 14th century before they went extinct. Do your research well.

If you go into the forests you will see species that science have not even classified....

Try and think outside your brain ... It has nothing to do wth being a Christian or religion.

If the pyramids in Egypt could be built without cranes and steel rods.... If they could build free standing obelisks as tall as skyscrappers and the obelisks are even still standing today in Rome ... Then tower of babel was definitely real... And it is very possible for noah to have built that ark.

The climate of those times is definitely not d same we have now.

My grandpa told me that when he was a teen, there were 22 hours in a day and not 24hours we presently have..

Try think outside your brain.

Dragon exist ke... and who told you the Egyptian dont have a knowledge of architecture, mathematics etal.
and 22 hours in a day? nigga wtf
Please next time you want to comment in a public forum do your research first. Abeg leave buybull alone and read a science text book

whitestar01:
Am not suprise hard mirorr is just a demon from heart of hell sent to nairaland just to decieve fake christains.
As for me and otber rooted christains we are not moved
If you are not a demon now tell me why u will not allow body of christ to hv peace on this forum. Why claimin to be once a christain when a mere demon?

Thank you my brother. He is nothing but an angel of darkness sent to Nairaland by Lucifer to deceive baby christians. He just happen to be a demon with a brain

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SIRE YOU'VE NOT SEEN THE STORY OF JONAH IN WONDERLAND?
THE GUY WHO LIVED IN THE BELLY OF A WHALE FOR SOME DAYS!

MOST CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT STORY. THEY ENVY HIM!
REALLY CHEAP ACCOMMODATION. YOU DON'T NEED TO PAY RENT TO ANYONE, JUST LIVE THERE AND POOP AND EAT YOUR OWN FAECES , REPEAT CONTINUALLY LIKE JONAH DID FOR 3 DAYS!
WHAT A NICE GOD WE SERVE!

Hahahahahaha. I just pee on my pant reading this. You such a clown

cloudgoddess:

It bothers me that people still buy into this completely false idea that religion is the maintainer of human ethics & morality. Perhaps in the 2nd century when it was the best civilization had in terms of law. But not in the 21st century.

You're right to some extents.

But the truth is.... Man can never do away with religion .. because .. man is "programmed " to "believe "

If he doesn't believe in the spiritual, he surely believes in others things or even believe in himself. .. or believe in chains and ornaments. ...

If a dying father gives his son a necklace and tells d son the necklace will "protect " him... And the son holds tentatively to the necklace after his father's death ... Is that not religion?

Or will u say chinese, Russians or Americans don't believe in ornaments?

The folks claim to be atheist outside ... But inside them... You know what's up.

Religion is not about belief in spiritual things alone

CltrAltDelicious:

Dragon exist ke... and who told you the Egyptian dont have a knowledge of architecture, mathematics etal.
and 22 hours in a day? nigga wtf
Please next time you want to comment in a public forum do your research first. Abeg leave buybull alone and read a science text book

So many things have changed bro...

We're talking about thousands of centuries past here.

If you think the ecology, geography, weather and climate of the time of Abraham is the same we have 2016, ... Hmmm... Goodluck

petra1:


1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If you read Genesis 1 you would have seen that water covered the entire earth before Adam was created . God separated the water above from water on the earth. The reason water covered the earth was because God had destroyed the first world with flood before Adam came . This flood disnt just cover the earth but also the solar system . So the body of water in Gods bank is bigger than the earth itself .

The bible says the earth existed and came out of water .

2 Peter 3:5
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:




No you have rather been recieved from the website you're doing copy and paste from.

And how does this answer the questions I asked? Someone just created a thread and replied me excellently (using information well researched from Jehovah withnesses website) you are here spewing gibberish.

And why do you think this thread was copied from somewhere else? You think everyone is daft and can't put information and calculations together?

uckennety:

Mr homo sapiens (modern man)is a stage of human evolution just as homo erectus is also a stage in human evolution propounded by charles darwin!the are not species @ all!species is when there is a variety of same thing e.g red rose and white rose!d er both rose but they are different species!guinea pig and west africa pig all are pigs!you can google human species For a clearer picture

Give me the scientific name of the present human species or shut up and stop mis-informing people

Antiparticle:
lwkmd. Please tell me you are just trolling for laughs. Most of what you have posted in this thread doesn't make sense. I really suspect you are just trying to deliver us some humor.

All one can do is laugh at that guys posts. Reasoning with him is futile.
I am sure he believes everything he reads online and sees in movies

cloudgoddess:

It bothers me that people still buy into this completely false idea that religion is the maintainer of human ethics & morality. Perhaps in the 2nd century when it was the best civilization had in terms of law. But not in the 21st century.

There is actually a trend between religiosity and HIGHER crime and poverty rates. Countries that have higher proportions of religious people (like most African and Middle Eastern countries) have more crime and corruption, while countries with higher secular majorities (like Australia, Japan and Netherlands) are safer, more educated, and more peaceful.

Ask yourself, how do the 80% of China's population who identify as atheist or non-religious, keep from robbing and assaulting eachother in the absence of dogma? How do they live so harmoniously without churches on every street corner?

Nonreligious can not be used interchangeably with atheist. Do you think atheists are nonreligious? Or do you think that being religious is having a belief in God? Now let's assume everyone on planet earth is an atheist, and someone suddenly comes up with an idea of a god; the person would definitely regret the cause of his/her action cos there will be a whole bunch of atheists who would angrily claw him at the face. Why, because atheists do not focus on researching about the possibility of a god, instead, they focus on the impossibility and defend it so passionately as if they are scared of something. Maybe scared of finding out something contrary to their belief that would remind them of the immensity of rebellion they committed into.

All those countries you mentioned are not unreligious, they are cultic (check the meaning of cult in a standard English dictionary before you misunderstand something here).

lerumoss:


You're like a highly trained doctor who believes that HIV and Cancer are incurable.... Where as, an old illiterate African traditional doctor will cure those diseases with herbs and no side effects.

I have seen cancer being cured with palm win, garlic and paw paw extract.... If I tell a cancer specialist at John Hopkins that it is possible, he won't believe me...


How true is your claim?

You have access to this knowledge and you are not the richest person in the world?
Do you know the 100's of Billions of dollars spent on diseases like cancer and hiv every year?

Keep living in delusion.

If there was a cure for cancer I guarantee you, thousands of people will be cashing in BIG on it right now.

Cocaine is illegal and punishable by death in many countries, yet people still traffic cocaine. So why won't people traffic pawpaw which is not even illegal if it can cure cancer.

This is how you people fail to use your common sense.

Op am glad you quite familiar with your maths, physics, geography and all relevant science subject which has in one way or the other bolster your knowledge on this particular Bible story and many other stories you may not share.

Firstly The Bible from Genesis - Revelation was never written based on Logic and scientific interpretation/inspiration. If it were I would have said O! the author made simple mathematical errors or Logical errors. Your Research and analysis is one that is grossly disjointed from the Biblical story.
I'll elaborate a little bit science and logic have basic and dynamic principles, Laws and precepts that conforms with all other scientific results deduced from research,Logic solves our everyday complications and problems. Science tells you two molecules of Hydrogen mixed with one molecules of oxygen give you water i.e thirty molecules of of Hydrogen and one molecules of oxygen will never give you water!!!
Now Scientific Research usually pose two null hypothesis and alternative hypothesis I'll advice you read more on that.
You may ask what then is the Bible written Based on?? Since its not logic or Sci. I'll refer you back to the Bible the author of that book is Moses, based on inspiration from God! Some Bible scholars believe he must have heard the story, but the Bible clearly tells us it is based on inspiration from God. Which is a leave it or take it thing. In no way has Christianity forced anyone to believe what is been written in it's books. Mind you Jesus said blessed are those that do not see but believe!
Your analysis may (may because you don't seem to understand your hypothesis as earlier mentioned) suit scientific research n Logical exams questions but will never suit biblical standards! And here is what the "Bible say about people like you my people perish because of lack of understanding the same Bible you think you're smarter than has proven you to be ill-smart "
Thank you for reading through..... God bless you

Errors in typing should be forgiven

movingclouds:
I wouldn't say he is scared of the questioning...Nigerian atheism seemz a bit different..the post should be meant for reasoning and not throw-the-bible-away thing...I am atheist but show no phobia to religion by trying to condemn what they believe, cos i believe in nothing doesn't mean another can't believe in something...the fact u read a religious book to slash the followers reveals how scared u are or how much hatred u have...live and let live...I know some religious pple are bigots, talk more about hell than they do love...

Yes it has to be different. The title is to get the attention of my intended audience. Go to the science section and see how low participation is. Go through comments he and see how daft and ignorant people are. That's how this playing field is

JumaiM:


Thank you my brother. He is nothing but an angel of darkness sent to Nairaland by Lucifer to deceive baby christians. He just happen to be a demon with a brain

You no well at all.

Eliasog:

THE PROBLEM WITH MODERN MAN IS THAT HE THOUGHT HE IS MORE WISE THAN ANCIENT MAN BECAUSE OF SCIENCE,BUT HE'S NOT.
ANCIENT MAN IS MORE WISER THAN MODERN MAN

I totally disagree with you that the ancient man is wiser than the modern man.. Why would you even say such a thing?? Haven't you taken notice of the very cristal clear difference??

realmindz:

why are so ignorant, some people have started giving birth to green babies and purple babies...
so that's explain how adam and eve gave birth to blacks Arabs and all other races...open ur head

Point of correction man. My ancestors didn't come from Adam and Eve

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THIS IS WHY JESUS LOVES YOU =
YOU SAY ALL THESE THINGS CAME AFTER THE FLOOD.... CLEARLY GOD DIDN'T CREATE THEM THEN. NO RAINS, NOR SEASONS NOR ISLANDS NOR KANGAROOS.. UNTIL AFTER THE FLOOD.
SO MOSES CREATED THEM AFTER THE FLOOD? OR HE MOLDED THE PENGUIN AND KANGAROOS AND THEY RAN OFF TO AUSTRALIA...
VERY NICE!

blessedvisky:

You obviously cannot read comprehensively. An island is a piece of land surrounded by water. The flood of noah was caused by the First rain to fall on the earth, a result of God's judgement on man's wickedness. Antarctica and Australia didn't exist as separate pieces of land. The animals were present. They were simply not living where they are today. I hope you can understand this one

Lol. Op must be feeling fly right now.
1) The Earth God created is not the earth we have today.
When God created the earth, there was nothing like lakes, islands, etc. There was no rain too. There was nothings like winter, summer, temperature was uniform. There were no seasons before the flood. They came after . Read Gen 8:10. All these things came after the flood. Asking how kangaroos and penguins got there is just pure stupidity, considering that no islands existed then (Australia and Antarctica are just really big islands).

2) when God was done with creation, the land was separate from the water, and we can deduce from inference that there were 3 major water 'banks' the waters above the earth, the one on the earth( this is d one gathered together and separate from the land), and the one under the earth ( the fountains of the deep) read Gen 1: 6-10, Gen 7:11. Imagine the waters from and above and below all coming on the earth . That's why the earth's surface is 70% water today. God didn't make it that way. The water from Noah's flood never left the earth.but the earth was never going to be d same again. It is water that separates d continents from each other, which wasn't so from d beginning (all land was one before) . Could Moses have known about continents? I don't think so. You must know that it's after this flood of North that the earth changed dramatically.

3) it's highly possible and very reasonable that the mount ararat is not the same as the one today. Reason?

If you read the Genesis account, you'll see Adam naming all the animals. Of course we know that no animal bears the name Adam gave it today because different languages developed during Gen 11. So the mount that Moses called Ararat is most likely not the same one bearing that name today. Languages have changed much since Noah's time. Using a modern day mountain's height to judge the height of the flood is silly on your own part.

I'll stop here for now.

blessedvisky:
Lol. Op must be feeling fly right now.
1) The Earth God created is not the earth we have today.
When God created the earth, there was nothing like lakes, islands, etc. There was no rain too. There was nothings like winter, summer, temperature was uniform. There were no seasons before the flood. They came after . Read Gen 8:10. All these things came after the flood. Asking how kangaroos and penguins got there is just pure stupidity, considering that no islands existed then (Australia and Antarctica are just really big islands).

2) when God was done with creation, the land was separate from the water, and we can deduce from inference that there were 3 major water 'banks' the waters above the earth, the one on the earth( this is d one gathered together and separate from the land), and the one under the earth ( the fountains of the deep) read Gen 1: 6-10, Gen 7:11. Imagine the waters from and above and below all coming on the earth . That's why the earth's surface is 70% water today. God didn't make it that way. The water from Noah's flood never left the earth.but the earth was never going to be d same again. It is water that separates d continents from each other, which wasn't so from d beginning (all land was one before) . Could Moses have known about continents? I don't think so. You must know that it's after this flood of North that the earth changed dramatically.

3) it's highly possible and very reasonable that the mount ararat is not the same as the one today. Reason?

If you read the Genesis account, you'll see Adam naming all the animals. Of course we know that no animal bears the name Adam gave it today because different languages developed during Gen 11. So the mount that Moses called Ararat is most likely not the same one bearing that name today. Languages have changed much since Noah's time. Using a modern day mountain's height to judge the height of the flood is silly on your own part.

I'll stop here for now.

Waris dis

We apply logical reasoning to every other thing but not religion, question is why do we not apply logic to religion?
answer; religion is not logical!
question; why is religion not logical?
answer; cos religion is by faith.
question; what is faith?
answer; faith is believing in stuff without evidence!

JumaiM:


Thank you my brother. He is nothing but an angel of darkness sent to Nairaland by Lucifer to deceive baby christians. He just happen to be a demon with a brain

So are you all lacking brains then?... Aren't you supposed to be the wise one if what you believe in is true?

HardMirror:

Give me the scientific name of the present human species or shut up and stop mis-informing people

Mr pls I don't av strength

davien:
So are you all lacking brains then?... Aren't you supposed to be the wise one if what you believe in is true?

Most religious folks know deep down within thier heart, that what they believe in is erroneous and purportless, but they lack the willpower to free themselves from the early childhood conditioning because of fear

JumaiM:


Point of correction man. My ancestors didn't come from Adam and Eve

yes, your ancestors were white, they got burnt by African sun and became black, their foods made their hairs short, nose broad and thick lips. (too much pounded yam) and every other disparities are jst the miracles and wonders of God which u must never question, or u want to burn in hell?