nemesis8u:


Why do u think I used the word " fuking " every time I mentioned nehru .

Nehru is a fuking dick head SOB who should never have been a pm . He was incompetent and a parasite nothing else.

Stalin and hitler signed the Molotov Ribbentrop pact in 1939 which was a non aggression treaty.

Hitler broke the agreement when he treacherously attacked USSR in 1941 in operation barbarossa .

Stalin did not have a fucking clue because USSR was caught completely unaware and unprepared.

Why the fuk do you think USSR lost millions of its troops and citizens within a year of attack if stalin was not fooled.

Seriously bro u need to read books

TayserMahri:


You keep telling me to read books but I can tell from the over confidence that you're the one who desperately needs to. Stalin never trusted Hitler nor the pact. The only thing he wanted was to keep war at bay for as long as possible to properly arm his men, by keeping the Fuhrer jovial and reassured. The deeper intricacies of historical warfare are surely not your forte. Read between the lines when you read.

nemesis8u:


Ok I now am telling u don't read books

And u r mosy welcomed to ur opinions

And me to mine

And the readers to theirs

Lol Stalin sure did a might poor job of arming his men I must say after signing agreement with hitler

If I remember correct in the early days of the war a Soviet recruit used to get a rifle and another recruit a clip of ammo , if the soldier with the rifle got shot , the one with the ammo was supposed to pick it up and use it. Nice war preparation .

TayserMahri:


No, you need to. Starting with the art of war.



“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.
All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make them believe we are near.”

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

TayserMahri:


You wouldn't know, seeing that a whole prime minister never knew, obviously for an internet yoddha its orders of magnitude harder. The two go hand in hand. The job of an able leader is to read deception and keep ahead of it. Hitler signed similar pacts with Josef Stalin but Stalin was never fooled. Only a fool trusts àn adversary to Nehru's level. If only he had read the quote that irked you, but then again he was Ne..hru.

TayserMahri:


He did arm his men eventually, and marched to Berlin.

nemesis8u:


Hmmm

So u r now admitting that stalin did get backstabbed by hitler . Lost millions on men initially when caught unprepared and unaware , and then eventually managed to defeat hitler.

rationalhuman:
Since i know that in my entire Neighborhood other then me, only you have a real Assault Weapon, while other neighbors have just few blades and no courage to stand up against me.
Since i know you are the only person able to hit me back and hard by any means, only you can match me fist to fist and fire to fire.

So I went into an agreement with you that we will not carry weapons in street nor we will fight, we are most powerful brothers in this entire neighborhood, You believed me

You was without weapon, I surprised you in night and attacked you.

And now you survived my ambush and now you came again to my doorstep with full preparation and now i am doing nothing but saving face cause i know it will be my destruction if now i declare all out war.

This is not a War, me and many will believe that will be called a "Violation of Truce" , "Treachery"

Although at the same time this can be interpreted as "My intelligence and your Foolishness to trust me", But still that incidence will be labelled as Treachery and Violation of Truce.

TayserMahri:


No. This is what Stalin said the day after the pact, "Of course, it's all a game to see who can fool whom. I know what Hitler's up to. He thinks he's outsmarted me, but actually it's I who have tricked him".

Prepare for war with massive armaments buildup, yet do everything to avoid fighting. This is the exact opposite of signing di ting and putting all trust on it.

nemesis8u:


Source for the quote ?
If Hitler had not overruled his generals advice to bypass Stalingrad , the Germans would have reached Moscow easily.

Communists are good at propaganda and misinformation regarding their leaders.

Eg Lenin is officially claimed to have died of Hemorrhagic stroke but reality is he died of syphilis .

Nikita Khrushchev was involved in the negotiations with Joachim von Ribbentrop. He later explained why Stalin was willing to reach an agreement with Hitler. "I believe the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact of 1939 was historically inevitable, given the circumstances of the time, and that in the final analysis it was profitable for the Soviet Union. It was like a gambit in chess: if we hadn't made that move, the war would have started earlier, much to our disadvantage. It was very hard for us - as Communists, as anti-fascists - to accept the idea of joining forces with Germany. It was difficult enough for us to accept the paradox ourselves." (25)

The day after the agreement was signed, Stalin told Lavrenti Beria: "Of course, it's all a game to see who can fool whom. I know what Hitler's up to. He thinks he's outsmarted me, but actually it's I who have tricked him." (22)

In the 1930s Joseph Stalin became increasingly concerned that the Soviet Union would be invaded by Nazi Germany. Stalin believed the best way of dealing with Germany was to form an anti-fascist alliance with countries in the west. Stalin argued that even Adolf Hitler would not start a war against a united Europe. Adam B. Ulam, the author of Stalin: The Man and his Era (2007) has argued: "Soviet diplomacy sought (in a much more realistic way than that of Britain and France) to avoid war. To do Stalin justice, he never made a secret greater than his desire to avoid war, or more precisely to avoid Russia's military involvement in one." (1)

And then why was USSR caught unprepared and lost more than a million of its people within a year of attack ?

TayserMahri:


Well it was actually said by Nikita Krushchev, Stalin's successor.

nemesis8u:


If u ever get the time read the book by historian Stephen Kotkin Stalin volume 2 waiting for hitler 1929-1941 and Grand delusion - Stalin and the German invasion of Russia by G Gorodetsky

As I said previously

U r most welcomed to ur opinion
Me to mine
Others to theirs

Anyways it was nice discussion , appreciate it .