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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 7:58pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
TayserMahiri:dude Nigerians can Neva dump pidgin for Swahili, pidgin has stuck to Nigerians it can Neva go. pidgin is Nigeria's identity . in our music, movies pidgin is spoken . and d great thing abt pidgin is its very easy to understand and to learn 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:02pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 8:07pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
MtuMsuper: Pidgin is understood by many in Kano and Maiduguri, but Hausa still dominates. Only core- northernerns who have lived in the south and educated core-northernerns speak pidgin, the rest do not and you must learn Hausa if you want to live there. However, Northern cities like Jos and Kaduna (because of the large population of christians here who are socially connected to the south), pidgin is becoming a street language and is gradually displacing Hausa. But i heard that Congolese and Rwandan swahili is completely different from EA swahili and almost mutually unintelligible? Also, i think you are exaggerating. Only about one quarter of Congo DR should be able to speak swahili because there are 3 other co-national lingua francas in Congo. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 8:09pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
TayserMahiri: No universal standard yet, but due to increased interraction and socialization. A unified standard is evolving. There are some agencies that are forming a pidgin dictionary and official standard. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:11pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
TayserMahiri:that's d beauty of pidgin, u don't need to know when ,where, or how to use words. its a very expressive language. yeah pidgin varies , like d way I speak pidgin is not d same way someone from southern or northern Nigeria speaks it. I'm from d eastern part of Nigeria and my pidgin accent is very different from someone in d western part of Nigeria 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 8:13pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
MtuMsuper: LoL, i'd give you pass. However it is far deeper than you think it is. Many people in Nairaland do not even write in pidgin because pidgin does not have an official writing standard yet. Not until you visit Nigerian cities live will you get the real standard. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:14pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
MtuMsuper:loool u try , nice one. u see someone does not necessarily need to teach u, all u need to do is just hang out with Nigerians and u will pick d language up |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:25pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
uzzyfire: You make me laugh. I know of a few examples in history where people lost their lives due to word meaning confusions/ misunderstandings. Lets just say, pidgin will remain a language of use in not so serious business matters. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:33pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
Nowenuse: Lately, many Ugandans have become fed up with Luganda due to NRM Uganda which they term as backwards and unprogressive and are favoring swahili due to its association with business and kenya. And maany Ugandan artists sing in swahili. You just do not know them. Tell me any Ugandan artist and if they have never sang in swahili I will be surprised. Chameleone, Babe Cool, Juliana and many all know swahili. Uganda made Swahili a required subject in primary schools in 1992. This is why Swahili, which was merely a language of note 50 years ago is one to watch out for. In fact, it is being compared to Chinese which was literally nothing 100 years ago and today is the most widely spoken. Today, over 100 universities offer swahili language worldwide on a consistent basis. 1. Swahili is spoken by over 100m people in Africa so it’s pretty hard to ignore a language that’s spoken by so many people. Its importance as a lingua franca is recognised by foreign media organisations such as the BBC, which broadcasts radio programmes in Swahili. Voice of America and Deutsche Welle have adopted similar tactics in their attempts to appeal to readers on the continent. 2. If you’re dealing with East Africa in any way, then it’s essential you take notice of the Swahili language. Swahili is a Bantu language and therefore spoken by many communities that inhabit the Great Lakes region and other areas of southeast Africa, including Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and Mozambique. It’s particularly useful to have knowledge of Swahili if doing business in Kenya. The country is the largest economy in East and Central Africa and has seen massive growth in areas such as telecommunications in the last decade. 3. Swahili is the national or official language of Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, as well as being one of the official languages of the East African Community and African Union. It is a language of influence politically, economically and socially, and a knowledge of it can deepen business relationships. 4. Swahili plays an important part in education in several African countries. Uganda made Swahili a required subject in primary schools in 1992. It is also a compulsory subject in Kenyan schools and a distinct academic discipline in many public and private universities. With the next generation of leaders, as well as consumers all speaking Swahili, ignoring it would be short sighted. 5. Inter-African trade at this point in time is low. Poor transport connections and infrastructure have thus far capped business movements between African countries. However, as investment is made in improving logistics, trading languages will emerge to aid communication between different peoples. Swahili is well placed to become such a tool. 6. Swahili will become a language associated with IT and technology and, as a result, arts and culture. As investment continues in IT infrastructure and mobile and online solutions in countries such as Kenya, the economy will grow. When an economy grows so do people’s spending power, their exposure to information and their inventiveness and creativity. The result will be a flourishing tech-culture scene expressed through Swahili. “Swahilihood” is a term already starting to make appearances online. 7. Knowledge of Swahili will enhance the credibility of researchers interested in Africa. Areas such as big data, social media and digital information are growing and to gain critical insight into Africa’s evolving markets, having an understanding of Swahili will be very important. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:33pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
TayserMahiri:yeah ur ryte, pidgin isn't a language self, its a slang version of English . its like wen black americans talk |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:35pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
Nowenuse: It takes time before a standard emerges. And sadly, you cannot force standards on people, |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 9:12pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
TayserMahiri: I never argue or dispute the fact that Swahili has the greatest potentials in Black Africa. However it is not there yet. Hausa language is spoken as well by over 100 million people. At least 70- 80 million Nigerians speak Hausa, 20 million Nigeriéns speak Hausa, 8-10 million Cameroonians, 5-8 million Ghanains and fewer millions in Togo and Benin republic speak Hausa. Hausa language does not have potentials like swahili because majority of the people who speak the language are poverty stricken muslim illiterates. However, the BBC started broadcasting in Hausa decades ago same time they started in swahili. Deutschewelle, Radio franca and China also broadcast in Hausa and the language is also studied in many universities worldwide. I have seen many white people who learn hausa from Europe/America and spoke it fluently. I think, Swahili, Hausa and Amharic almost have equal status internationally, only that swahili has more political relevance and spread. Navio, Eddy Kenzo, Radio & weasel and many other popular Ugandan artistes, i've never heard them sing swahili but Luganda. I don't argue the fact that Swahili is widely used in Uganda and many more Ugandans are learning the language due to trade with other EA countries. The govt is also trying to enforce it in their curriculum, but it is facing rejection by many. https://globalpressjournal.com/africa/uganda/ugly-history-kiswahili-prompts-many-resist-teaching-ugandas-schools/ Introducing a language into the curriculum is not enough to make people master it. French was forced into Nigerian curriculum in the spirit of ECOWAS brotherhood decades ago, but today less than 1% of Nigerians speak it. We just don't have the interest, because we don't see the need and use for it. All our french speaking neighbours are of no influence to us at all. If we had more wealthy and influential french speaking neighbours, we might have taken it with more interest. Ghanaians speak french better than us because of their neighbour Ivory coast (which has as much influence as them, if not greater than them). |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:13pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
TayserMahiri:Nigeria has popularized pidgin already if u go to places like America and UK don't be shocked if u see white people speaking pidgin |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:20pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
Nowenuse:actually pidgin originated from sierra Leone and Cameroon that's where Nigerians learnt it from. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 9:21pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
uzzyfire: Pidgin cannot be compared to Black American english. Black american english is still considered a dialect of English because the only difference is mainly the accent and pronounciation of words and syllables. When a language is considered a pidgin, it has completely diverged into a hybrid language. Many new words and vocabularies have been introduced into pidgin that has made it completely different from pidgin. Our pidgin will soon transform into a creole like Haitian creole cos many people are now becoming native pidgin speakers and now dropping their native languages in South-south Nigeria especially. You Easternerns do not speak core pidgin. Yours is very light. Warri, Benin and parts of Lagos are the home of real pidgin. Even though i was born in Warri, there are some kinds of core warri pidgin that i still do not understand. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 9:35pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
TayserMahiri: Yes you are right. However, we are familiar with the vocabularies of each other through one media. I speak warri pidgin for instance, but i can understand 95% of any word any other pidgin speaker will use. What many people don't know is that pidgin is very deep, it depends on how deep you want to go. I AM HUNGRY for instance may be said as I DEY HUNGRY (in a light way which even u can grasp) I DEY HESH or HUNGER DEY WAYA ME O (in a lighter way) ALAM DEY BLOW O (a deeper/figurative way which only deep pidgin speakers will understand). |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 9:41pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
uzzyfire: Sierra leonan pidgin is quite very different from Naija's own, ours is deeper however and has evolved differently from theirs. Pidgin actually started from both Nigeria and Sierra leone during the slave trade with Nigeria and the portuguese along the coasts in the 15th century, but it was later popularized during the colonial period. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 10:28pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
Nowenuse:how beautiful is jos ,iv been wanting to visits there 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 10:56pm On Apr 21, 2017 |
forgiveness:U SHOULD, BUT make Sure u visit not just Nairobi CBD 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kenyanstar: 7:59am On Apr 22, 2017 |
Nowenuse: You are just plain bitter and paranoid..... Nowenuse: Most famous Ugandan artists like Chameleon( who once lived and stayed in Kenya) has 90 percent swahili in his songs. Bobi whine, Blu 3 etc have mostly swahili songs. Nowenuse: The Baganda are Bantus and most swahili words are loaned from Bantu language. There are dofferent and diverse spoken swahili which is different from written. Most Bagandas are business people and reason enough why their need to know spoken swahili is essential to their businesses. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 3:35pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Nowenuse:in Ghana, the kind of pidgin we speak is a corruption of many other languages and it is spoken in dormitories. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 4:28pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Just30:wat do u min ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 4:49pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Just30: It still came from Nigeria cos it sounds Nigerian |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 4:51pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Kenyanstar: An answer to u Nowenuse: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 5:06pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
uzzyfire:oga there's nothing like Ghanaian pidgin , u guys simply copied it from Nigerians . a lot of ghanains try to talk like Nigerians but they end up saying rubbish loooooll. if u hear a Ghanaian speaking pidgin eeehn u will laugh it doesn't suit them at allll 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 5:09pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Nowenuse:dude how beautiful and how cold is jos, iv been wanting to go there but all d crisis and stuff |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by bantudra: 6:17pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
kenyans are a joke...i can not take them serious even if i try very hard.... kenyans,ethiopians and south africans are useless!!!... |
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