hamzeiy:

a simple question should require a simple answer .prove your points and if you cant ..you only need to say it instead of beatin around the bush. anyway i do believe what you said to a certain extent. the saudi royals can virtually do anything to stay in power. we can only pray for better leaders and rectify our affairs with Allah otherwise the struggle will continue

usmanktg2:
OP is blind to Islamic History. Wahhabism is the fundamental base of all terrorists attack since the advent of the 20th century.

The most peaceful Islam is the Traditional Sufism which came together with our Islam here in Nigeria prominently by Shaykh Uthman Bn Fodio (Qadiriyya) and Shaykh Umar Futi (Tijjaniyya)

Wahhabism got rid of the Spiritual dimension of Islam for selfish interest to denounce the Ottoman Caliphate, leaving Islam with nothing but mere theories.

Read up فتنة الوهابية and الصواعق الإلهية.

hamzeiy:

a simple question should require a simple answer .prove your points and if you cant ..you only need to say it instead of beatin around the bush. anyway i do believe what you said to a certain extent. the saudi royals can virtually do anything to stay in power. we can only pray for better leaders and rectify our affairs with Allah otherwise the struggle will continue

BeansAndBread:
Shias and hypocrisy:

#Thousands of Shias are in Syria killing innocent Muslims.

#Shias were the ones that first perpetrated suicide bombings

#You once supported the killing of millions of Muslims in Baghdad by the mongols

#You supported the killing of innocent Bahraini Sunnis.

Rubbish!!!!

usmanktg2:


1. Can you please quote any 'Wahhabi Shaykh' thousand years back? That he called himself 'Wahhabi'

2. For your information, there is no existing Silsila or an authentic chain from Ibn Abdulwahab to Ibn Taymiyya

3. How can we go back to the roots of islam? by reading islamic books on our own? making our own taqlid?

1. There is nothing like full blown Sufi. Islam/Sufism is not a political party.

2. Can you point Shaykh Usman bn Fodio teachers that is 'Wahhabi'? Is Shaykh Jubril Wahhabi?

3. It is obvious you are ignorant of Shaykh Usman. Come to the north, we will teach you his teachings.

4. Shaykh Usman is a Qutb, spiritual pole in Qadiriyya.

[s]1. Quoting him saying this does in no way justifies his stand.
2. What about his books solely based on Sufism like Tariq’l-Janna, Usuul’d-Deen, Tabshir’l-Umma, Usuul’l-Wilaayat also Silsilatul Qadiriyya?[/s]

3. All sufis are followers of Ahl Sunna wal Jummaa and the rightly guided Salafs.

4. There is hardly NO any Sufi Master that didn't wrote about the importance of Sunna and the Manhaj of Salaf. The Tijjaniyya Shaykh, Ibrahim Inyass wrote a whole book Raf'ul Malam amman rafa'a wa qabada iqtidaan bi Sayyidil Anaam, solely on following the Sunna.
Also Check the diwan Of Shaykh Ibrahim Niass, He wrote:

Abayna Siwat Tawhidil lazi, anil mustafa turwa wa an sahbihi turwa.

1. Please give me the chain. It doesnot exist. It is even ignorant to believe that it exists. Please bring it foward.

2. Shaykh Usman bin Fodio wrote a whole book of his teachers, which i know you dont know about, There is NO shaykh that is not sufi.

3. Shaykh Usman bin fodio NEVER went to Makkah. I now confirm you dont know anything about Him.
4. Which year did Uthman went to mecca?

Please read, read and read.

blantyre:

[s]Kai! Alhamdulillah for this insightful piece of yours. You have well spoken my mind and the minds of many peaceful and tolerant Muslims. Wahabists and salafists have destroyed the true essence of Islam. A brother up there was mentioning the need for one to read a certain book. Which book do I need that will portray a wahabist better than the actions of wahabists that we see daily in wanton killings, beheadings burning and utter lack of pity for the sufferings of children and the elderly. Countries that were once peaceful under sufism have suddenly turned to killing fields because knowingly or unknowingly they romanced the salafists clerics of Saudi Arabia eggs Pakistan. The fact that you ascribed a certain name to your ideology does not equate or translate to that ideology. Wahabism is a curse to Islam that why lately I am beginning to feel uncomfortable with the way those Nigerian wshabist called Izala are bringing wahabi clerics to this country [/s]

blantyre:

Mr. Beans we are all Muslims here. Is very painful for you to be trying to deny an obvious truth. Wahabism is a cancer.

For your information an Imam of kaaba, black man confirmed that ISIS got their inspiration from the teachings of wahabism. I will provide the link Inshaallah.

And lately following the gruesome murder of that Jordanian pilot by ISIS some Muslim countries started removing all nooks by ibn taimiyya from their shelves and production of new ones stopped because everyone knows the kind of violence and intolerance that those books teach.

In countries like Algeria government even gives official support to sufi zawiyas as a way of de-rsdicalising people

BeansAndBread:
From this post of yours, it shows you didn't even care to read the op. This is why you all will never learn, I was once like you but I was open to learn.
I hated the concept of suicide bombing, I thought the Wahabists were the once that started but when I searched for scholars that condemned it, I discovered that they were Salafi Scholars. This made me to have a rethink and then I downloaded the book "Wahabi myth" which was written by Western convert. I really wish you can be sincere and just read, you'll be surprised.

Rafidi:


[s]This is all hypocrisy. The problem isn't the means of fighting but the target that matters and the purpose. That is why JIHAD and terrorism are worlds apart. If you like jump from the sky to fight or dive into the pacific. What makes it jihad (using force for self defense only) and not terror is if it is in self defense, if it's targets are combatants who are oppressive and if the killed is a wrongdoer who killed you. Not kill based on people's beliefs. There is no takfiri killing in Islam. It makes no sense for Wahhabi clerics to condemn what you call "suicide bombings" and condone takfiri killings. It lacks essence. The difference islamically between "suicide bombing" and "martyrdom operation" based on the verdict of both Sunni and Shia scholars is the target and purpose, and not the means of fighting. I've not for once heard of Wahhabi clerics condemning suicide bombings targeting innocent Iraqi Shia civilians. I've not heard of Wahhabi clerics calling for Shia-Sunni unity, when they know well these are the two wings of Islam. Without either, the religion cannot fly! They only rush to condemn what you call "suicide bombing" in its entirety and particularly in Palestine against occupation forces because poor palestinian Sunnis use this means to resist Israeli occupation. When Israel is the target, they rush to condemn it. They have problem with Muslims defending their lives, properties and land-because of the porous and desperate means used-but have no problem with takfiri killings targeting innocent Muslims for their beliefs and religious practices. Jihad is self defense and not terrorism regardless of the means used for self defense.[/s]

BeansAndBread:
Everyone, here's the real terrorist. He's defending suicide bombings by calling "martyrdom operations", the worst part is all those bashing don't see this.

Can you quote anyone who adheres to the Manhaj of the Salaf calling himself a Wahabi? So why call Muslims Wahabi?

That doesn't change the fact that Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdulwahab followed the Manhaj of the Salafs.

By returning to the teachings of the Salafs and abandoning whatever the khalaf have innovated.

You ought to be intelligent than this, when I mentioned full blown Soofee, I meant someone who performs tawaf round the Graves of Saint, those who shout "inyass" whenever evil befalls them, etc Lol!

I never said any of them is a Wahabi, some of his teachers benefitted from knowledge passed from Ibn Abdulwahab. Now read:

One of teachers was Jibreel ibn ‘Umar of the Tuareg tribe who had made Hajj and thus lived in Makkah for a while. In Madeenah, Jibreel Ibn ‘Umar studied with Muhammad Murtada az-Zabeedee (1145-1205 AH/ 1732-1791 CE) who was originally from India but had travelled to az-Zabeed in Yemen where he lived for a while and studied before going on to teach in Madeenah himself. One of az-Zabeedee’s teachers was Shaah Waliullaah ad-Dehlawee (1702 –1762 CE) of Delhi in India. Dan Fodio’s uncle who taught him hadeeth was Muhammad bin Raaj who had studied under Abu’l-Hasan as-Sindee also from India and a teacher of hadeeth in Madeenah. Abu’l-Hasan as-Sindee was a student of Muhammad Hayaat as-Sindee another great hadeeth scholar of India who was also teaching in Madeenah. One of Muhammad Hayaat as-Sindee’s students was Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab (raheemahumullaah). See a recent study conducted in Nigeria and written in Arabic entitled Asaaneed al-Faqeer ad-Da’eef al-Mutashaafee bi’l-Mushaffa’ Ahmad as-Shareef (Ms. University of Ibadan Library 82/137: Ibadan, Centre of Islamic Documentation (CAD)).

I hope you'll open your eyes to read!

When no be say I dey craze! You want to corrupt me koh? See this one o, as you can see I quoted him in my last post. Lemme give you another of his quotes:

If such a person is not aware of the Sunnah it is not permissible to follow him…He is simply a lunatic lost in his special state. (ibid. p.105 (Arabic text), p. 157 (Eng. Text)) Hisn ul-Afhaam min Juyoosh ilAwhaam

As I said earlier, he wasn't a full blown Soofee. He had inclinations to salafiyyah and soofeeyyah, which is very similar to An nawawi. As for your statement that he's a "Qutb", I don't know what that means.

Big lie, extremist Soofees like you are Semi-Shia. As popularly said by scholars; "Soofeeyyah is the gateway to Tashayyu"



There's a thread on how Inyass was scrutinized, I hope you can take a look:

https://www.nairaland.com/3401996/sheikh-ibrahim-niasse

Another big lie, just because we have Soofees here doesn't mean Islam can't exist without Soofism. Islam was independent of Soofism from the beginning, so will it at the end.

That's an honest mistake, I mistook him for Jubril Ibn Umar.

Demmzy15:
I think this is a front page worthy material, it clears alot of misconceptions.

usmanktg2:
OP is blind to Islamic History. Wahhabism is the fundamental base of all terrorists attack since the advent of the 20th century.

The most peaceful Islam is the Traditional Sufism which came together with our Islam here in Nigeria prominently by Shaykh Uthman Bn Fodio (Qadiriyya) and Shaykh Umar Futi (Tijjaniyya)

Wahhabism got rid of the Spiritual dimension of Islam for selfish interest to denounce the Ottoman Caliphate, leaving Islam with nothing but mere theories.

Read up فتنة الوهابية and الصواعق الإلهية.

HAH:

If you want to have a clear view about the history of wahabism and it spread read below, personally I see them as genesis of Terrorism in islam


Wahhabism (Arabic: الوهابية‎‎, al-Wahhābiya(h)) or Wahhabi mission[1] (/wəˈhɑːbi, wɑː-/;[2] Arabic: الدعوة الوهابية‎‎, ad-Da'wa al-Wahhābiya(h) ) is a religious movement or branch of Sunni Islam.[3][4][5][6] It has been variously described as "ultraconservative",[7] "austere",[3] "fundamentalist",[8] or "puritan(ical)"[9][10] and as an Islamic "tore "pure monotheistic worship" (tawhid) by scholars and advocates,[11] and as a distortion of Islam by its opponents.[3][12] The term Wahhabi(ism) is often used polemically and adherents commonly reject its use, preferring to be called Salafi or muwahhid.[13][14][15] The movement emphasises the principle of tawhid[16] (the "uniqueness" and "unity" of God).[17] Its principal influences include Ahmad ibn Hanbal (780–855) and Ibn Taymiyyah (1263–1328).[18]

Wahhabism is named after an eighteenth-century preacher and scholar, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703–1792).[19] He started a revivalist movement in the remote, sparsely populated region of Najd,[20] advocating a purging of practices such as the popular "cult of saints", and shrine and tomb visitation, widespread among Muslims, but which he considered idolatry (shirk), impurities and innovations in Islam (Bid'ah).[5][17] Eventually he formed a pact with a local leader Muhammad bin Saud offering political obedience and promising that protection and propagation of the Wahhabi movement mean "power and glory" and rule of "lands and men."[21]

The alliance between followers of ibn Abd al-Wahhab and Muhammad bin Saud's successors (the House of Saud) proved to be a durable one. The House of Saud continued to maintain its politico-religious alliance with the Wahhabi sect through the waxing and waning of its own political fortunes over the next 150 years, through to its eventual proclamation of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1932, and then afterwards, on into modern times. Today Ibn Abd Al-Wahhab's teachings are the official, state-sponsored form of Sunni Islam[3][22] in Saudi Arabia.[23] With the help of funding from Saudi petroleum exports[24] (and other factors[25]), the movement underwent "explosive growth" beginning in the 1970s and now has worldwide influence.[3]

The "boundaries" of Wahhabism have been called "difficult to pinpoint",[26] but in contemporary usage, the terms Wahhabi and Salafi are often used interchangeably, and they are considered to be movements with different roots that have merged since the 1960s.[27][28][29] However, Wahhabism has also been called "a particular orientation within Salafism",[30] or an ultra-conservative, Saudi brand of Salafism.[31][32] Estimates of the number of adherents to Wahhabism vary, with one source (Mehrdad Izady) giving a figure of fewer than 5 million Wahhabis in the Persian Gulf region (compared to 28.5 million Sunnis and 89 million Shia).[23][33]

Many Sunni and Shia Muslims disagree with the Wahhabi movement, and a widely circulated conspiracy theory holds it to have been a product of British secret service efforts for causing the demise of the Ottoman empire.[34] Ulema, including Al-Azhar ma, including Al-Azhar scholars, regularly denounce Wahhabism in terms such as "Satanic faith".[34] Wahhabism has been accused of being "a source of global terrorism",[35][36] inspiring the ideology of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL),[37] and for causing disunity in Muslim communities by labelling Muslims who disagreed with the Wahhabi definition of monotheism as apostates[38] (takfir) and justifying their killing.[39][40][41] It has also been criticized for the destruction of historic mazaars, mausoleums, and other Muslim and non-Muslim buildings and artifacts.

Ahmadabd:
you are a joker

HAH:
I can see the Wahabist on this thread are seriously trying to distance their sect with terrorism.

Ask anyone, ISIS, Alqaeda, Alshabab, Boko Haram etc are all wahabist.

So any adherent to wahabism is a potential terrorist.

Beware of them

HAH:


My brother I fear Allah, and I love islam but pain is the bad name wahabist|salafist have brought this lovely religion through their terrorist activities, sadly non Muslim cannot distinguish us.

If the way the wahabis are professing islam is the way usman bin fodio followed it won't have spread to our land.

lexiconkabir:


The people you call wahhabis do they call themselves wahhabis?

And who is a wahhabi?

HAH:


My brother I fear Allah, and I love islam but pain is the bad name wahabist|salafist have brought this lovely religion through their terrorist activities, sadly non Muslim cannot distinguish us.

If the way the wahabis are professing islam is the way usman bin fodio followed it won't have spread to our land.

lexiconkabir:


So you know these, then why call them wahhabists?

Did Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab bring any new methodology other than the methodology of the salafs? Or are you going to call some people Albanist because he followed the salafs?

lexiconkabir:
Whoever calls to tawheed is tagged a wahhabist! Smh

President99:
Hmm bravo! So calling to Tawheed started with Abdulwahab? Ain't we had great scholars who preached tawheed b4 him? why were they not abhored by other muslims like every one does when Abdulwahabb name is mention? Whether u believe it or not British created Saudi and its sister country called Israel This British r ready to use what ever means to get what they want. Tha aim of creating the Wahabbiyah govt was to decimate the might id Othoman empire, knowing fully well that whoever control the The sacred towns of Mecca and Madina has influence over other muslims; if not for Mecca and Madina who gonna mention saudi ma self?

President99:
Thank God u said misconception! The reality is there for all to see that Wahabbism is the root cause of terrorism among muslims. Their fanatical form of sunna is alien to other sunnis prior to Abdulwahabb's limelight and even after his demise. Saudi has been the major financier of ISIS.

President99:
Dont mind them, they think they r smarter thab others. Who is financing ISIS?

lexiconkabir:


if you don't understand my post, don't quote me.

President99:
Brother, ur post was attempt to dignify Wahhabbism , which is an aberration to the whole sunna practice! U said "Whoever calls to tawheed is tagged a
wahhabist! Smh" this is a veiled statement brother and is an insult to the sensibility of other muslims scholars. What u insinuate here is that is only Abdulwahabb that practices true Tawheed or what? Greater preachers had existed before him and were not detested by other muslims, they never issued fatwa justifying killing of muslims who had different takes from theirs. Young man what were the reasons for killings of muslims in Hijaz, Mecca, Madina and taif during the formative years of Wahabbist govt?

Demmzy15:
Why is that you guys are like this? You didn't even care to read the article which is very dishonest of you.

1. You say saudi funds ISIS, but ISIS has suicide bombed suicide mosques filled with military men.

2. According to ISIS, Saudi rulers and scholars are apostates.

3. Saudi Arabia has missionaries in Indian for more than 40years and today, we have almost none of Indian Muslims in ISIS or any extremist groups.

Why can't you all think?

Demmzy15:
Assad and those who patronize their stolen oil.

lexiconkabir:


you don't understand my post, again don't quote me if you don't! i dont have time for all these now, i have more pressing issues at hand!!

President99:
U v got nothing to send to defend this munderous group called Wahabbism, so u resorted to the above mantra!. Wahabbism is synonym with terrorism!!!

lexiconkabir:


see, whatever i don't have time for this.