Audray:
What you've just defined is a psychopath.Something that I am not. I definitely have a moral compass.I definitely feel things. From ur logic.If god is the only source of morality,then you've got no moral compass either.Lets say xtians declare a holy war on moslems for the sole fact that they don't worship the xtian god. You as a human would personally think that that's wrong.But would you still go ahead to kill moslems because only god can decide what's wrong and right ? Tell me.Maybe there's something I don't get.

KingEbukasBlog:


You are good at quoting bible verses but don't know the answer to this question

Come one na !

raphieMontella:

they have been declaring those wars as a result of their christianity
These are wars done using christianity as thier ideology
www.nairaland.com/3355430/evil-nature-christian-god-genocidal#49525666

These are democides done using christianity as the ideology..
www.nairaland.com/3355430/evil-nature-christian-god-genocidal#49525544

check out the million of lives killed...way bigger than what they claimed the communists did...
The lists sef are not complete..there are some new ones i found amounting to tens of millions which i didnt add in those posts...
Those killings are done for christianity alone,,didnt add islamic wars etc

KingEbukasBlog:


Without God , you have no moral compass . Here's a typical example of objective morality vs subjective morality .

Objective morality
As a christian , it is morally wrong to have sex before marriage . Reason : God's law

Subjective morality
As an atheist , there is nothing wrong to have sex before marriage . Reason : There is sexual attraction , its a necessity when you are in a relationship , satisfying sexual desire .

As a christian my reason for abstaining from sex before marriage is because I adhere to God's law . As an atheist , you are abstaining or engaging in sex before marriage because of personal reasons . What you feel , what you think .

As a Christian if I should err - have sex before marriage - I've done something morally wrong . As an atheist , what determines whether you have done wrong or not ? You have no scruples when engaging in the act .

Apply this reasoning to the atheist's killings and despicable acts . It all depended on what they felt or thought it was right . No standard , no compass , no guidance .



Sorry what ?



The emboldened text is incongruous with the teachings of Christ so its morally wrong .

KingEbukasBlog:


That was God's law to the Israelites years ago . It does not apply to us Christians . Anyone who attempts to justify any such act with that bible text is a deceiver and obviously its a pretext .

Audray:
Y

Audray:
Dude just stop.Already made the mistake of engaging you.You twist up everything I say. I now give up.
You win.god exists.objective morality rocks,atheists are Cray Cray,Karl Marx was evil.etc etc.blah blah blabidy blah.
Now.Can I get on with my life?

raphieMontella:

because they are not morally objective which they claim...
Objective morality from religion is false..
Morality is heavily dependent on the society(social species)...
And on the communism...
Atheism was not an animus..it was just a requisite for joining the communist party...just as being a christian is a requisite for joining the KKK(A Racist organization) and other christian extremists sects....
Thats all...
The communist ideology is similar to devaluation of the naira...their goal was something else not making people irreligious..
and definitely not because atheists have no moral compass...

GRIMMJOE:
You really tried answering that ebuka guy(Master of twisting english)
It is still this same 4everg0d that told me to protest for cannibalism,and twins killing to be brought back, scene I don't believed in the Story the Bible tells

Audray:
Yeah.I wish I didn't waste so much time.
They've inexplicably disappeared sha.

HardMirror:

Yes,
4evergod
Winner01
Kingebukablog
Kingebukawhatever
Honourhim
Are all one person.

In fact there are only 3 registered christians on nairaland, all the christian account belongs to this 3 people. Each has about 50 accounts.

KingEbukasBlog:


Please read this

https://www.nairaland.com/3286519/communist-leaders-killed-millions-because

Then we can continue this argument there .

Plus I wasn't talking about their goal , all I'm saying is that atheism is the animus that led to killings . Marx's unbelief in God instigated the ideology and was used to justify their actions - subjective morality

HardMirror:

Yes,
4evergod
Winner01
Kingebukablog
Kingebukawhatever
Honourhim
Are all one person.

In fact there are only 3 registered christians on nairaland, all the christian account belongs to this 3 people. Each has about 50 accounts.

KingEbukasBlog:


A gallimaufry of non sequiturs - if such exists then your comment is a good example .

raphieMontella:

they have been declaring those wars as a result of their christianity
These are wars done using christianity as thier ideology
www.nairaland.com/3355430/evil-nature-christian-god-genocidal#49525666

These are democides done using christianity as the ideology..
www.nairaland.com/3355430/evil-nature-christian-god-genocidal#49525544

check out the million of lives killed...way bigger than what they claimed the communists did...
The lists sef are not complete..there are some new ones i found amounting to tens of millions which i didnt add in those posts...
Those killings are done for christianity alone,,didnt add islamic wars etc

Mimzyy:


Haba hyperbole

GRIMMJOE:
That how they do run,when they have no answer,they say something like

1.Listen carefully God is talking to you
2.God does not revel his self to people who don't believe in him
3.Repent or burn in hell
Like I said before Christianity is a joke and its not even funny

raphieMontella:

they have been declaring those wars as a result of their christianity
These are wars done using christianity as thier ideology
www.nairaland.com/3355430/evil-nature-christian-god-genocidal#49525666

These are democides done using christianity as the ideology..
www.nairaland.com/3355430/evil-nature-christian-god-genocidal#49525544

check out the million of lives killed...way bigger than what they claimed the communists did...
The lists sef are not complete..there are some new ones i found amounting to tens of millions which i didnt add in those posts...
Those killings are done for christianity alone,,didnt add islamic wars etc

dalaman:


Why do you follow Pauls injunctions even though it was written to a specific people 2000 years ago?

menxer:


God, the same yesterday, today and forever, with him there is no shadow of turning, right?

Or are you insinuating there is double standard with God, one for the Israelites and a different one for christians?

Audray:
Lol. That"Y" was a mistake .
Thanks for answering though.

jonbellion:
Archeological evidence even shows that the Jews were never enslaved in Egypt in the broad sense. The Egyptians are excellent record keepers and yet they don't have records of Israeli slaves for 400 years The pyramids of Giza and the sphinx two of the seven wonders of the ancient world weren't mentioned in the bible? Weren't they supposed to be in Egypt No record of plagues no Israeli writing or pottery found in the desert that they wandered in for 40 years no evidence of motherfucking anything!!! Unlike evidence of Greek and roman influences in Isreal . I think this was the last straw for me when I realised this. Now I don't know if there is a god or not but the Jewish God exists for the Jews and Jews only and not all of mankind

ScienceWatch:
WARNING ! Nigeria must not make the same foolish mistake as the Jews. . Jesus said of them, "Satan will not and can not work against himself. "

Two thousand years later history repeats itself. The Jews rejected the Messiah, today the godless CAN & Pentecostal PFN leaders continue its terrible attacks on the Holy Scoan Church, Nigeria.
These fake church leaders are behaving the same way the so-called Jewish church leaders of Jesus time behaved. When these fake Pharisees/ holy church men said to Jesus that he is doing all the miracles because satan gives him the power to do it. Jesus said of them, "satan will not and can not work against himself. " The Pentecostal leaders are behaving just like the godless and fake Pharisee churchmen who said to Jesus that no one taught him, meaning no one ordained Jesus, so where did he get the authority to be priest/ Pastor/ healer, etc. All this, show that the Jesus, the sent Messiah is again on trial today.
The time in now ! These vicious Pentecostal leaders and CAN will have to admit in secret that “truly Christ is risen” and is alive still. When Church leader are too blind to understand Prophet TB Joshua and the biblical and scientific evidence of the Healing, Signs and Wonders coming directly from the international testimonies of thousands upon thousands of people and Pastors of all religions that has been to the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria.

hahn:
Wait make I read am!

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atheism
ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Saying atheism is all about now and the physical world is an assumption or an addition to the definition on your part. There are people who do not believe in any god but believe in the supernatural and spiritual. Buddhists are an example.



Just as there are Christians worldwide who feel it is their obligation to go around preaching the "good news" by telling people that their god loves them and will throw them in eternal fire and subject them to eternal damnation if they do not love him back. These same Christians make noise from their churches shouting and disturbing their neighborhoods during night vigil when people are supposed to be sleeping.

I live next to a church. One day, my landlord's new born baby fell from the bed to the floor. This baby had been crying for sango knows how long but no one could hear her simply because the church was making so much noise during their service. Imagine a church that has less than 100 members "preaching" with loudspeakers inside the church and still has loudspeakers outside the church. Even Jesus preached to 5,000 people without making such a racket

Then do not forget that theists, Muslims/Christians have been known to kill "unbelievers". In fact, their holy books support it.

For example, in the bible, Jehovah commands his people to:

[b]Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)[/b]

You can read more @ https://www.nairaland.com/2819877/murder-bible



This is simply your opinion and not fact. Afterall, Jesus supposedly raised the dead, healed sick people, fed 5,000 people with only five loaves of bread and two fish. Matthew 14:13-21

As a Christian, have you replicated any of these? There are many sick people in major hospitals, how come NOT ONE of Nigeria's major pastors like Oyakhilome, Adeboye, TB Joshua, Oyedepo and co have ever visited anyone of these hospitals to perform any miracles? If this is not an example of "blowing hot air with nothing to physically show for it", then I do not know what is.

Let me put it this way as I drop a question for my Nairaland Atheists.......




Lol. Even you as a Christian, when you visit an Islamic country, in fact simply take a drive to the North where sharia is practiced and I can bet that you cannot bravely go out and even preach about Jesus not to mention go against their laws. The story of the RCCG woman who was killed in the north recently while preaching in the morning is a good example. It is simple. "In Rome behave as the Romans do"

Would you say that the legalizing of homosexual practices and marriages in "religious" countries like the US is a product of "religious" standards? Since there is no where in the bible or Quran that states that "slavery is a sin", would you say that slavery is right? Why then do most nations now regard slavery as illegal?



Lol. Apparently, you do not understand what atheism is. Go to the first line of your own article or simply point out where atheism translates to "rebelling against moral laws"?



Fear? More like conformity. When you live in a country that says "slavery is illegal" will you now go, as a Christian< and keep slaves simply because the bible says in [b]Leviticus 25:44-46 However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.

Or in Exodus 21:7 When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.[/b]



The answer is very simple. Conformity. I would even go further to say that by this your definition of "atheists" this actually makes us good citizens since we do not rebel against laws of the land where we find ourselves.

However, I would advice that you do research on laws, worldwide, that had to be revised. In the US, a religious country, has been amended 27 times. Also, different countries have different numbers of bill of rights. Different "Christian" countries have different numbers of bill of rights. If these laws were indeed a product of god then why are they not uniform?

In fact, the holy bible itself has 50 different versions of the Bible in English alone, Christianity has over 30,000 denominations and seem to have a problem agreeing on the teaching of the bible and the Sunnis and Shiites are busy killing each other over who is right and who is wrong.

SirWere:
... Late to the party, as usual......




*sighs*

Still a variation of "If there is no God, why be moral"??


Let me ask you a question, OP.

If, say, today, some group of people come up with both unbeatable empirical proof and evidence about the NONexistence of God, that they can and do explain with unwavering certainity the forces guiding the cosmos, universe, the multiverse [s](and the turtle upon which they rest upon)[/s] and with it all, not a peek of a supreme being or a divine intelligence.

Let's assume the proof was so good, so correct, so undefyable, you all reluctantly accept the God of there being no God.

Tell me, OP, would you go on a killing spree?? Would you murder, rob and rape your neighbours?? Would society break down??


Of course not!

Morality and rules stem from the Golden Rule "Do unto others as would be done by you" or more elegantly put

"Live and let live".

This is the basis of every mordern justice system; the concept for punishment and reward.



Live and let live, OP.


That's what atheists do.