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Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Nobody: 2:44pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Ibime: believe what you wish. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Abagworo(m): 2:44pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
According to native tradition, Lagos, or Eko, as it is called by the natives, was originally founded by a Bini army, who had in the first instance been despatched by the King of Benin to collect tribute from his refractory vassals at " Ogulata," a place to the north of the island on which the present town is situated. Having failed in his mission, the commander, fearing to return, settled on the island with his warriors, |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by sjeezy8: 2:49pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Ibime: I dont doubt what you say but why would this railway need to include the SE, if there is more traffic bewtween PH and Aba, then any other place in Nigeria? Its better if the Govts of eastern states and southsouth build their own railway, instead of complaining about being marginalized by the fed gov. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Nobody: 2:52pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Abagworo: Lagos was not founded by a Bini army. The Binis dispatched a garrison there probably in an attempt to have a foothold for the burgeoning slave trade. In other words, the Portuguese were around and looking for slaves. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Abagworo(m): 3:00pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
tpia.: in as much as i have documented evidence and link of lagos being founded by bini,i will not argue further because its of no use to the topic.verify from oba of lagos or you can even go to badagry and verify. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by AloyEmeka6: 3:03pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
sjeezy8: Do you have common sense at all?. The funding for these railways come from south east and south south oil wells and you want FG to use it and build railways to nowhere while those that will actually make use of it should figure out a way to build theirs from their allocation. People like you should be banished in Nigeria. For your information, rail lines run from point A to point B, so its not a question of hey, this project must be cited in my village. Watch the Nigerian govt build that railway from lagos to Damaturu even though the traffic in that route is not up to 1%. The busiest traffic in Nigeria is lagos-Onitsha followed by lagos -Ibadan and people die on these roads in large numbers every year. The FG should first fix the roads to these places before talking about railway. Enough bloodshed. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by sjeezy8: 3:06pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Aloy~Emeka: Maybe you should think before you type. The governments of eastern and southern states should build their OWN railways MEANING privately funded. Private investors as Lagos state did. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by ProAnti: 3:10pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
sjeezy8: The railway modernisation being proposed would be funded (or at least partly funded) by the FG. I think it makes economic sense to include the railline that leads to Enugu and PHC in the first phase as PHC is the capital of Nigeria's oil wealth. However, starting with the Kano-Lagos rail is OK |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Beaf: 3:10pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
It is easy to solve a lot of the transort / business issues in that area. Delta state needs to expand Warri port with a state funded wing and totally open up state funded routes between Asaba and Warri. There is also no reason why smaller vessels cannot berth at Asaba. Anambra and Delta can cooperate to build another bridge to span the Niger. There is already an international airport being built at Asaba. Similar can happen between Rivers and Abia, with the ports in PH expanded with state funding. PH has an international airport. A lot of business can also harness cheap travel up the Niger river, up through Lokoja and then Westward. Lets wait for the dredging of the Niger. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by AloyEmeka6: 3:11pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Which rail way did lagos state build? and to where?. will you compare the cost of a railway from Asaba to PH to one built inside Lagos metropolis? . They have railways in Lagos, Enugu etc before and many of them are still functional even though there are visible amounts of decay. Show me where babapupa and fashola built a new railway in Lagos. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Ibime(m): 3:11pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Aloy~Emeka: hehehehe. . . .dont even bother trying to teach common sense to sjeezy. . . . if they like, they can build the line from Lagos to Borno. . . . more chance for Boko Haram to slip in undetected. . . In all seriousness, if we are talking about this rail line driving the economy, then demand must be foremost in any decision process. . . . and we all know where the demand is greatest. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Abagworo(m): 3:12pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
sjeezy8: rubbish!rubbish! in future some northerners will say abuja was not developed with oil blood money.shame on people like sjeezy8. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by AloyEmeka6: 3:12pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
sjeezy8: Which rail way did lagos state build? and to where?. will you compare the cost of a railway from Asaba to PH to one built inside Lagos metropolis? . They have railways in Lagos, Enugu etc before and many of them are still functional even though there are visible amounts of decay. Show me where babapupa and fashola built a new railway in Lagos. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Nobody: 3:13pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Abagworo: Portuguese saying they met a Bini garrison at lagos does not mean Bini founded lagos. Oba of lagos orgins are clearly documented and also available in oral tradition- I'd suggest you look at the Yoruba ones as well if you can put aside your innate dislike of Yorubas for one moment. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Beaf: 3:15pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
sjeezy8: Don't bring Lagos here. People are stealing your money under your noses, planting a few flowers; yet, the blind and dim ones like you have set up a personality cult. All they have to say is "public - private partnership" and a lot of folk look at the growing flowers and turn stupid. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Abagworo(m): 3:19pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
History of the past and present Oba of Lagos. Lagos dynasty since 1600 ASHIPA (1600-1630) Ashipa was regarded as the founder of dynasty of Lagos. He was the son Oba of Benin. He was acting as the leader of the people of Lagos but not as the king. He serves as the intermediary between the Oba of Benin and the people of Lagos (eko),he spent 27 years as the leader of eko ,and died in 1630 and his son Ado took over his responsibility. OBA ADO (1630-1669) Oba ado, the son of ashipa took over the leadership role played by his father in 1630 during his own reign, he was elevated to an Oba and was crown as the king of Lagos by the Oba of Benin. Oba ado became the first Oba of Lagos. Oba ado had three children,2 males and 1 female. They include (Gabaro, Akinsemoyin, and Erelu Kuti).Oba ado ruled for 39years. He joined his ancestor in 1669 and his first son Gabaro succeeded him. OBA GABARO (1669-1704) |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Beaf: 3:27pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Lagos was a part of the Edo empire. It founded as an army garrison to oversee the Republic of Benin (named after Benin City, Togo and some Ghanaian areas). Isn't it interesting that the Republic of Benin is named after Benin City? Even its former name, Dahomey was the name of an Edo General (Isi Dahomen), he was Ishan. The Oba of Lagos is descended from Benin. Even today, the Oba of Benin still sends Chiefs to crown any new Oba of Lagos. Almost all chieftancy customs etc have Edo origins. Even "Eko" is an Edo word. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by sjeezy8: 3:34pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Aloy~Emeka: Working around the FG, by privately funding projects. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by ProAnti: 3:35pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
I love the historical dimension to this thread. Keep it coming!!! ![]() |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by sjeezy8: 3:35pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
lets not derail the thread |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by ezeagu(m): 3:44pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Beaf: Wasn't Dahomey named Benin because it was on the Bight of Benin? |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Beaf: 3:44pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
sjeezy8:Those who pee on their past always get shy when found out. Thats life. ![]() I remember you calling ND and Igbo people monkeys. Ask your dad, your blood could be from the ND. Ignorant little fu.ckwit. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Nobody: 3:45pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Abagworo: The official residence of the Oba, since 1630, is Iga Idungaran, a castle constructed by the Portuguese (finished in 1705) during military rule in Nigeria, governors are appointed to states outside their ethnic origin. If a Yoruba man is the governor of Imo state, does that mean Yorubas founded Imo. People in lagos predated 1600 when Ashipa supposedly ruled. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by ezeagu(m): 3:46pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
sjeezy8: How can it be privately funded when Lagos line connects to Kano? Think please. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Nobody: 3:49pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Beaf: lagos was a slave port, and not this story you're cooking up here. True, there was interaction between Benin, Dahomey and Ghana, hence Lagos was a desirable prize for all three. The Portuguese established slave ports all along the west African coast, and lagos was one of them. Dahomey means In Da's belly. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by rhymz(m): 4:05pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
@Bluetooth,U are an idiot with no opinion,just shut the hell up if U ve nothing intelligent to say. @Sjeezy, Of all the lots studying abroad,U are the most unintelligent(that's if realy U re studying abroad),i strongly doubt U re a student abroad,U lack perspectives and intelligence the way U in the way U discuss,U just talk any how with no class and persuasion. @Poster, U are not the only one asking that question,how come there's a plan,first phase or not and there's no mention of any SS or SE routes.Even if they claim it's the first phase,my question is,what are the criteria for the selection of those other routes mostly in states that don't have much economic importance,I mean besides lagos and Kano,which of those other state rout can claim to have more need or deserves it better than commercial areas in the SE like Aba,Onitsha,Nnewi or even Enugu the coal city,or even oil producing states in SS States like Portharcourt or even Asaba.No1 can possibly argue that there is more movement of ppl in north-sw ro |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Nobody: 4:22pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
^^ obviously you feel oil is the be-all and do-all. Hence your inability to fathom the fact that despite oil, the govt still wasnt in a hurry to construct a railroad directly from the Niger Delta to the north. or maybe you're typing in shock. anyway, just for your education- they still have to bring the existing rail network into consideration before new construction begins. |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Beaf: 4:24pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
tpia.: Past Obas (Kings) Main article: Oba of Lagos Ashipa (1600-1630) died on the way back to Benin ![]() ![]() ![]() King Ado (1630-1669) first King of Lagos King Gabaro (1669-1704) King Akinsemoyin (1704-1749) Eletu Kekere (1749) King Ologun Kutere (1749-1775) Adele Ajosun (1775-1780 & 1832-1834) Eshilokun (1780-1819) Oba Idewu Ojulari (1819-1832) King Oluwole (1836-1841) King Akintoye (1841-1845 & 1851-1853) Oba Kosoko (1845-1851) King Dosunmu [Docemo] (1853-1885) Oba Oyekan (1885-1900) Oba Esugbayi Eleko (1901-1925 & 1932) Oba Ibikunle Akitoye (1925-1928) Oba Sanusi Olusi (1928-1931) Oba Falolu (1932-1949) Oba Adeniji Adele (1949-1964) Oba Adeyinka Oyekan II (1965-2003) Oba Rilwan Akiolu (2003-present) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lagos More from Lagos Mega City website http://lagosmegacityproject.com/history_of_lagos |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Nobody: 4:31pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Beaf: Prior to the Portuguese name of Lagos being adopted, Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Beaf: 4:34pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
More from the Erelu kuti Foundation http://www.eraffoundation.org/erelukuti.php More from Lagos Mega City website http://lagosmegacityproject.com/history_of_lagos ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by ezeagu(m): 4:37pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
Whats the argument and ? does it have to do with D topic? |
Re: Why Does The Rail Modernisation Project Exclude The South-East And The South-South? by Beaf: 4:40pm On Oct 28, 2009 |
ezeagu: ezeagu: ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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