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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by DollyParton1(f): 9:59am On Nov 01, 2016 |
InvertedHammer: I thought I was the only one that noticed that. Talk about grasping at the straw. 2 Likes |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 10:04am On Nov 01, 2016 |
ItsMeAboki: Why not compare a nurse intern to a doctor intern, and experienced nurse to an experienced doctor? Everything is wrong with comparing Sb in the lowest cadre to another in the highest cadre, in different professions. Again, if a nurse likes, let her get PhD, it's still not the same content as to what the doctor studies. Different curriculum, roles, etc. Many nurses learn stuff from doctors too. 2 Likes |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by eleojo23: 10:15am On Nov 01, 2016 |
DollyParton1: Are you actually a practicing doctor? Whichever way you look at it, pharmacists determine to a large extent the drugs that the doctor prescribes. Most of the drugs they prescribe are recommended to them by pharmacists who are medical reps of pharmaceutical companies. All it takes is for the pharmacist to organise a Powerpoint presentation for the doctors, introduce a drug to them or tell them why they should prescribe a particular drug and the next day, you see them prescribing it. For instance, a doctor may have been used to prescribing erythromycin for a particular illness but along the line a med. rep comes and tells him that azithromycin is a better choice since it is an improvement upon erythromycin with better pharmacokinetic profile and better tolerated, then he starts prescribing azithromycin. I have seen this times without number. Now tell me, who influenced the doctor's choice? Is it not the pharmacist? I have seen doctors asking the pharmacists opinion on the best drug to use for certain patients. Also, the pharmacists influence to a large extent the content of essential medicine list in the hospital There are also situations where pharmacists design the drug regimen for cancer treatment (chemotherapy) with the doctor. You obviously haven't heard of that i guess. One major problem with Nigerian healthcare system is lack of exposure among the members of the team and ignorance of the capabilities of each member of the team by the other members. Our healthcare system needs to grow up! 1 Like |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Hardybattee45: 10:35am On Nov 01, 2016 |
mumumugu:lol |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by DollyParton1(f): 11:11am On Nov 01, 2016 |
eleojo23: In a sane clime, a drug rep cannot just walk into your office and recommend a drug to you and you just take it like that. The example you gave is a marketing/advertising strategy. I think it's better to always clarify things from the go. Based on your initial post, an average person would think Doctors run their prescribing decisions through the pharmacists most time. It is appropriate for a doctor to ask for a pharmacists or nurses opinion if the need for it arises. That's why it called an health team. Yea Pharmacists can influence the contents of essential medicine in an hospital because it is part of their job description There are also situations where pharmacists design the drug regimen for cancer treatment (chemotherapy) with the doctor. In reply to your last two paragraphs, I had my medical training in an European country. So yea, I do know and I have been involved in what you are talking about. And yea I know of cases where only the pharmacists can give the go ahead on a doctors prescription (I actually thought you would use that as a point in your argument, but maybe you have not heard of it ) 1 Like |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by panasharp(m): 11:14am On Nov 01, 2016 |
Definitely a "myopic" write up--- I won't agree to this just like most of my colleagues won't --- it's well known that other health professionals, paramedics and even quacks do a lot of treatments and even surgeries these days -- buh doctors that know their onions always know who is who, ot[b][/b]her health professionals aswell know who is who-- they eventually refer to doctors or run to doctors for help once they run into trouble, I've seen enough of these in my 3 years of medical practice -- [/b]note pls, Medicine is both art and science, the art could be easily learnt and practiced by anyone, but the science is always exclusive to doctors [b]-- in summary, no one is and island, we should all work together to Bettter our patients health -- shalom |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Spirit1(m): 11:26am On Nov 01, 2016 |
Before you guys start reaching a different conclusion on this article, an article is only meaningful within the context it was written. Nigeria does not have Nurse Practitioners, unlike in the US where it is an advanced nursing degree. Also despite what the writer tries to portray,nurse practitioners work under a supervising doctor. There are many procedures that doctors perform that they are not licensed to perform. Being a doctor is not just about examining a patient and writing medications. 1 Like |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by omonnakoda: 11:29am On Nov 01, 2016 |
panasharp:You are quite empty and it is embarrassing that you call yourself a doctor. You lack knowledge,exposure and humility and your grammar is terrible. |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by McDoe(m): 11:33am On Nov 01, 2016 |
Lagusta: This is an unfortunate block head. Can you just appreciate and respect the efforts of someone in life at least for once! Imagine how you took a swipe at someone who burnt the midnight oil to become a nurse; too bad. You have to learn and show respect to everyone in their respective fields. The nurse needs the doctor just as the doctor needs the nurse. Please do not demoralize one for the other. 1 Like |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by mamawin(f): 11:37am On Nov 01, 2016 |
What a piece!! 1 Like |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Nobody: 11:38am On Nov 01, 2016 |
TheSuperNerd: God bless you! 1 Like |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by eleojo23: 11:41am On Nov 01, 2016 |
I think it's better to always clarify things from the go. Based on your initial post, an average person would think Doctors run their prescribing decisions through the pharmacists most time.I think you did not get what I wrote initially. I said the pharmacist CAN help the doctor choose the appropriate medication. I didn't say that the pharmacist ALWAYS helps the doctor to choose... I think anyone who understands English should know that the two doesn't mean the same thing so don't worry that people will think less of doctors because of that statement DollyParton1: Regarding this last point of yours, I am aware of that. I just don't have all the time to spell out all the job descriptions of a pharmacist here. Anyway, it's good to know that you are aware of most of the things I mentioned in my post. Pardon my hasty conclusion on the status of your exposure. Have a good day. |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by omonnakoda: 11:56am On Nov 01, 2016 |
Spirit1:Nurse practitioners do not always work under a supervising doctor that is not true.Some are independent totally and make or receive referrals. Your assertion an article is meaningful ONLY within the context it was written Look at those words again and reflect on them. The word ONLY defines that sentence and makes it ridiculous. Is a textbook meaningful ONLY within the context within which it was written. The entire evidence base of medicine would collapse without WRITTEN ARTICLES that often transfer across "contexts". One thing I know about Nigerian doctors especially those still in Nigeria or recently left is they make very categorical and assertive statements that are often false and lack scientific underpinning and they do not understand the concept of intellectual humility, the practice of saying "I don't know" and admitting that while doctors may know a lot(there are others who do too) , there is a lot more that they do not know. The Nigerian doctor gets most of his knowledge from READING and not from research or any scientific endeavours ,as such the quality of knowledge is as good as the quality of the read material and yet there is no culture of inquiry about how stuff gets into books. coupled with exams that ask TRUE or FALSE questions many fall into the trap of believing everything they read like robots with little capacity for reflection or critical thinking. The truth is MBBS is just a paper. You have to sharpen the knife every day and if you don't you lose your edge and RELEVANCE.There is a turf war going on in the health industry and the reality is the sum total of what most doctors do can be broken down in bits and done by someone else. It is not impossible to imagine a world without doctors as we know them. Certainly those doctors whose daily practice only involve prescribing, ordering investigations and examination should be very worried about their future |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by joyandfaith: 12:10pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
nurses are most important group in hospital. no hospital can function without nurses. |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Lagusta(m): 2:22pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
McDoe: And who are you to call me a block head?? Did I abuse or insult anyone here Please dont insult me again please, respect yourself.... |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Lagusta(m): 2:24pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
DollyParton1: Oya come and school me Missy.... See, I have worked with all nurses in the cadre; mention them. I know what they can do and what they cannot do.... So don't say my post reeks of ignorance, experience talks more.... |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Lagusta(m): 2:26pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
lebete3000: Thank you jare, dear colleague.... Imagine someone above me saying my post reeks of ignorance.... LOOOLZ!!! Abeg I got patients to see.... |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Lagusta(m): 2:27pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
Felincous: Haaaaa, see this one You don't know me and you're throwing assumptions.... Please go and drink some orijin bitters...... |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by lebete3000: 3:53pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
Lagusta: Twas 9ice talking with you.... |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by Nobody: 5:27pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
DeRay98:cardiologist don't perform heart surgeries. |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by omonnakoda: 9:10pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
DollyParton1:Yes really, your remark just reveals ignorance or lack of exposure. Really! |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by omonnakoda: 9:14pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
FredBloggs:Depends on how you define "surgery" |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by DollyParton1(f): 9:55pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
omonnakoda:Errmmm. ... just go take several seats please. |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by DollyParton1(f): 9:57pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
omonnakoda:Surgery has many definitions? Oh say more. |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by omonnakoda: 10:07pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
DollyParton1:I just wondered about YOUR definition because the last time I checked cardiologists do do a few surgical procedures so maybe you have a new definition of what surgery is |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by DollyParton1(f): 10:12pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
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Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by DollyParton1(f): 10:14pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
omonnakoda:Yea.... In nigeria every doctor is a surgeon. |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by omonnakoda: 10:26pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
DollyParton1:I am not talking about Nigeria do not change the subject, Is it part of the job description of a cardiologist to perform surgery YES or NO?? |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by DollyParton1(f): 11:11pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
omonnakoda:There are two types of cardiologists. No it is not for a cardiologist. But it is for an interventional cardiologist. |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by omonnakoda: 11:23pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
DollyParton1:kikikikiki Go and ask the person who usually beats you at this time to get busy,you need it!! |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 12:13am On Nov 02, 2016 |
eleojo23: Sharrrap. What pharmacists suggest to doctors are brand names that they market. Design drug regimens with doctors indeed. In which village? |
Re: A Doctor Reveals The Only Thing That Truly Separates Doctors From Nurses by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 12:21am On Nov 02, 2016 |
omonnakoda: If a doctor is employed as a cardiologist specifically esp in a teaching hospital , he won't perform surgeries because there will be consultant surgeons to take care of surgery cases while he concentrate on heart diseases. Before becoming a cardiologist, the resident doctor undergoes rotational trainings in different departments including surgery, there and then, you learn the surgeries and even perform some of them. So, he is actually equipped to perform it and can do if everywhere and anywhere. He also graduated with mbbs giving him the license to be able to perform surgeries as far as he can learn the skills. But no matter what, a non doctor is not licensed to do anything doctors do. So, compare likes for likes. So, yeah, a cardiologist is empowered to do anything plus surgeries if the opportunity comes up |
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