Nne trini_girl,

The chauvanist and pharisaic intones notwithstanding, you still have gaping holes in your super-spirituality, my dear. We all agree that the letter kills, but still with your higher spirituality, you still haven't given us God's Word. I told you before, those women you sat under have been a help to your life - bless God and enjoy it. But they cannot explain the verses I quoted to you; neither have you attempted it.

Rest assure, no matter how super spiritual you may sound, the Word of God does not rest on guess work and probability. How many times did you quote "maybe". . . "maybe"?? And even in I Cor. 11 and I Tim. 2 verse quoted, not one time did Paul hint that what he stated there were his personal opinion "as a man." Otherwise, you're choosing and picking verses to suit your uncertainties - and, my dear, that will not do.

So, the super-spiritual camouflage notwithstanding, God's Word is clear on this issue - and let's get something more to the point in your inputs.

Bless up.

@ wyt

stop wining!

I'm hearing a lot of opinions and interpretations around the same issue.

A woman can preach but not teach
A woman can teach but in certain settings (under a Samaan tree? on the bus to work? at the spa?)
A woman can teach but she has to be old and teach younger women how to be good to their husbands



And it will go on and on around the same scriptures.

I will concede a bit, and be open to hear the contention of women not teaching in the "church" so as not to seem as if they are better than men, since I am open to correction.

Shahan is the only one here who seems to have solid evidence for his convictions as is evident in the calm, concise and clear way he delivers his opinions.  Therefore I will listen to him.

However, I am not yet convinced.

wyt:

@ Trini girl
i agree with you that you have to xpress yourself the way you want, it doesn't mean that u should be insultive ok, i would have say that is the fruit of women praching in the church, but i reserve my comment.

you just made the comment smarty pants.

and that comment by the way , was chauvanistic, unfounded and unrelated to the topic at hand, but I expect such from men who read the dead letter.

trini_girl:

I will concede a bit, and be open to hear the contention of women not teaching in the "church" so as not to seem as if they are better than men, since I am open to correction.

However, I am not yet convinced.

Nne trini_girl,

I'm a loser when it comes to writing igbo pidgin, but just want to rejoice in the way the Spirit of God is leading you. . . the hot parts apart. May He increase you more and more, bless you beyond me, staisfy your deepest longing. . . and above all, may He use you greater than my persuasions. God bless and bless and bless you, sis. Amen!!

who is this smiling chershire cat adeoba

if u have nothing to contribute please observe on the side lines and stop wasting valuable thread space!

my point is this, that we should take it as a means of learning not quarel ok. lets reason with love. i like shaham's last post, not picking offence! its that not lovely and Godly? that is the way we ought to be
God bless you

Shahan!

For the first time since I've been on nairaland I'm huffing and puffing at my computer screen.

Your steadiness and calm on this issue infuriates me!!  

I like you  

I accept your challenge and will return with my scriptural backing forthwith ,   after I calm down and steady my nerves a bit.

shahan:

Nne trini_girl,

I'm a loser when it comes to writing igbo pidgin, but just want to rejoice in the way the Spirit of God is leading you. . . the hot parts apart. May He increase you more and more, bless you beyond me, staisfy your deepest longing. . . and above all, may He use you greater than my persuasions. God bless and bless and bless you, sis. Amen!!

What's wrong with me being hot now, grrrrrrrr

Lol, okay. . . just kidding with those pair of goo-goo eyes  

However, I will still stand on that prayer - and will say it again:

God bless and bless and bless you today and always, from this very minute in the mighty name of Jesus Christ.

Bless all.

Should female dogs bark??  

No, and no!! . . . not when they see a lion around the corner sha!

wyt:

my point is this, that we should take it as a means of learning not quarel ok. lets reason with love. i like shaham's last post, not picking offence!

We are not quarrelling sir, we are having a passionate discussion,  ok?

wyt:

its that not lovely and Godly? that is the way we ought to be,God bless you

Please, don't hit me with the sanctimonious "God bless you", when u really mean "I'm better than you, you poor blind offensive feminist" ,  I know u don't mean it ,  at least Shahan did. Thanks Shahan.

Lift your skirt tail and skip to another thread wyt abeg  

@ trini girl  
Nne, i think we are protecting the same scripture,
maybe ur sit down with scripture and ask Holy Gost to teach.
May the Lord God bless you real good

The bigotry surrounding this whole question Just goes to show how far we still have to go to shake off this archaic sexist nonsense.

The death of religion will be it's inability to adapt to the changing times and the modern World in which we live in.

To state that women should not preach or teach is utter ignorance. Women have proven time and time again that they are as capable if not better than men at most things (notwistanding physical activities).

That man written scriptures of dubious origin from hundreds of years ago should have any influence on our thoughts just go to show how fallible and misguided religion is.

During a recent test at Microsoft they came to the following conclusions:

Women tend to be better than men at empowering staff.

Women encourage openness and are more accessible.

Women leaders respond more quickly to calls for assistance.

Women are more tolerant of differences, so they're more skilled at managing diversity.

Women identify problems more quickly and more accurately.

Women are better at defining job expectations and providing feedback.



War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude.

I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever mess things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit.

But he ain't a woman that's for sure

While trini_girl feverishly studies the scriptures and comes to the realization that there is no scriptural basis for her position  , may I say this.

ufanIma in post #18 said
Women that are ordained as pastors are not in anyway usurping  authority - it is God's  gift that is not partial to male or female.  The gifts of the spirit and the ministerial gifts are not based on men or women.

Shahan post #23 said
So, while I agree that there are women pastors indeed according to God's Word, it still stands that women are "not to teach or usurp authority over the man as we read in I Tim. 2:12.

Pursuant to the fact that women cannot teach or take authority over men is the fact that they cannot be ordained pastors noting that;

1. Ordination is not anything in itself, and
2. There is no such thing as a pastor different from an elder and no single person is given charge
   over a body of believers. Eldership is always to be in plurality.

To say that women cannot take authority, but say they can be elders is counterintuitive. The body of Christ submits to (the authority) of elders.

We raised this earlier in "Church Structure & Sole Authority Pastors" . I outlined it as  I believe the scripture reveals it, but till now, no one has come back with an alternative or contrary rendering of scripture.

Lets keep talking

God bless

Shaham, indeed i love, trini girl, my love for you is great, what a broken heart in repentance? please my senior friend must read this! it is so amasing, God bless you all
indeed i love this family of God

There's only one reason why a woman ever need open her mouth.

Honestly, I think women should be allowed to teach along
side their male counterpart. Reason, God can raise anybody
to do his work. Laws are made for man and not man for law.

And again, we should be civil in the way we use words here.

We should not call what our fellow man say Rubbish simply
cos we have freedom of speech. We ought to apply courtesy.

Osegwu

Say what u have to say and move on , do not provoke me.

If you do not have a thick skin then stay away from where i post or your skin will become thick if u hang around me ,  deal with it! Who are you to dictate what i can and cannot say ,  please! Only a real man can tame this tempest storm!
I am not impressed. 

Women can preach elsewhere, but In the CHURCH? NO!!! its very clear, am not being sentimental or againts women, remember it was Eve who lured Adam 2 sin, it was Sarah who made Abram got a 2nd wive, it was the Portiphar's wvie who wanted 2 ruin Joseph's future, it was Jezebel who ruined Ahab's life, the same woman who pioneered worldly dressing 4 our ladies 2day,the queen of Sheba was one the people who ruined Solomon.Deliala and Samson nko it was Rebecca dat caused enemity btw her twins (Esau nd Jacob).Lot's 2 daughters made Lot slept with them (Incest).i can go on and on. Hey dont get me wrong ladies are wondaful people, but Bro Paul, led by the Holy Spirit made him instruct the church not to allow women preach.Reason:women are easily led astray by the devil. Simple. I luv u ladies in the house. God bless u all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMEN

trini_girl:

Only real man can tame this tempest storm!

Please post a pic so the real men can see if the effort will be worthwile  

trini_girl:

I am not impressed.  

All those trying to impress trini_girl please raise your hands  

1 Peter 3: 3 Do not let your adornment be merely outward--arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel-- 4 rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God. 5 For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands, 6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror.

It takes the grace of God to acquire the sweet character outlined above  .

God bless you Sis' trini_girl

trini_girl:

Osegwu

Say what u have to say and move on , do not provoke me.

If you do not have a thick skin then stay away from where i post or your skin will become thick if u hang around me , deal with it! Who are you to dictate what i can and cannot say , please! Only a real man can tame this tempest storm!
I am not impressed.

You are too harsh. Are you single and stll searching or married?? Are you a divorcee or a woman that has past the age of marriage?? let us know please. You need to kool down i beg!!

aylala2002:

Women can preach elsewhere, but In the CHURCH? NO!!! its very clear, am not being sentimental or againts women, remember it was Eve who lured Adam 2 sin, it was Sarah who made Abram got a 2nd wive, it was the Portiphar's wvie who wanted 2 ruin Joseph's future, it was Jezebel who ruined Ahab's life, the same woman who pioneered worldly dressing 4 our ladies 2day,the queen of Sheba was one the people who ruined Solomon.Deliala and Samson nko it was Rebecca that caused enemity between her twins (Esau nd Jacob).Lot's 2 daughters made Lot slept with them (Incest).i can go on and on. Hey don't get me wrong ladies are wondaful people, but Bro Paul, led by the Holy Spirit made him instruct the church not to allow women preach.Reason:women are easily led astray by the devil. Simple. I love u ladies in the house. God bless u all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMEN

Yes, you are correct. That was exactly why God said they should keep their mouths closed in churches, because he does nt want them to lead some men astray again.

@ ishmael

lol!! ok  

for international peace and tranquility,  I will be cool ,  for now

are you asking me my stats?

I'm single ,  with many guys pursuing me! I even have a couple stalkers on nairaland that chat me up from my posts  
They seem to think they are in love with me ,  poor guys.

Anyway, don't let the tigress in me scare you ,  I control it, and use it in balance. But I don't like weak men.

My hotness makes things more exciting  

BTW wth is "past the age of marriage"

trini_girl:

I will be cool ,  for now

Please be cool for ever.

trini_girl:

I'm single ,  with many guys pursuing me! I even have a couple stalkers on nairaland that chat me up from my posts 
They seem to think they are in love with me ,  poor guys.

Good to know that you are single; then we could be friends too. But you have to take it easy with some of us oo, don't scare us away from you.

ok

@TV01

So my brother, what makes you think I don't have the sweet character of which you speak? Hmm??

So because I have strong opinions that I am passionate about (and sometimes change once I am convinced), you are saying that I'm not sweet and do not have the grace of God ??  **sniff**

by the way,  only people on my Yahoo list get to see my pic 

trini_girl:

So my brother, what makes you think I don't have the sweet character of which you speak? Hmm??

I could be totally wrong, but so far you are yet to demonstrate such. By their fruits my sister.

trini_girl:

So because I have strong opinions that I am passionate about (and sometimes change once I am convinced), you are saying that I'm not sweet and do not have the grace of God ??  **sniff**

Strong opinions good, passion excellent. Please don't confuse these with the aggression and belligerence you sometimes portray in your posts. They are more masculine traits and not necessarily becoming even of men.

But I take heart that you responded to the charge laid against you. Like I said, it takes the grace of God. We are none of us perfect Sis', least of all myself. It's why I took a self imposed sabbatical from posting on Nairaland. During the last two months I've  followed everything with keen interest. I noted when you first joined (or maybe become more active?) late last year, and I've read your posts with interest and dare I say it, for the most part I've been quite impressed.

I particularly like the fact that you realise that law bound religion (tithing temples etc etc) is not synonymous with heart-felt faith. But in throwing off religious shackles and taking the full liberty to be found in Christ, please don't let your liberty turn into licentiousness (with particular regard to your post on pre-marital sex and fornication).

So sis' I speak not just as a blogger but as someone who in cyber terms knows a little about you and wants the best for you.

About the pic, I don't know what the Yahoo list is? Just show me yours and I'll show you mine  .

God bless.

trini_girl dear, the problem is not primarily with the male chauvinists proudly talking rubbish on this thread.

The problem is with the male chauvinists that wrote the bible. Those are the big culprits here!

Seun:

trini_girl dear, the problem is not primarily with the male chauvinists proudly talking rubbish on this thread.

The problem is with the male chauvinists that wrote the bible. Those are the big culprits here!

Male chauvinists wrote the Bible

I thought it was J.K Rowlings

Seun:

trini_girl dear, the problem is not primarily with the male chauvinists proudly talking rubbish on this thread.

The problem is with the [b]male chauvinists that wrote the bible. Those are the big culprits here! [/b]

Please could you shed more light on those male chauvinists of yours that you have discovered in the bible?

Seun:

trini_girl dear, the problem is not primarily with the male chauvinists proudly talking rubbish on this thread.

The problem is with the male chauvinists that wrote the bible. Those are the big culprits here!

Aha! Even Seun thinks you guys are chauvanists talking rubbish, lol, and he's a man he should know!

And see here! Why are you guys getting on his case? Please, that's my job 

Seun ,  you have come again with your attack on God oooo ,  what did the scriptures ever do to u now ,  haba!
See my submission to "Does God Exist" thread.  We need to discuss this issue you are having with seeing God as a mean dictator.