THE BIBLE SAID ; "LET THERE BE MARRIAGE AND THE BED UNDEFILED". SO AGAIN WE HEAR GOD TELLING TO US THAT WHAT HE DESIRE IS A MARRIAGE THAT HAS NOT BEING STAINED WITH A DEFILED BED. GOD HATE FORNICATION, HE CREATED SEX FOR THE MARRIED ALONE AND NO ONE ELSE. IT IS WELL. FORNICATION IS WRONG.

@poster
Are you doing it or have u done it already? Did you confess your sins for God's forgiveness?

Pre-Marital Sex Is [size=18pt]Fornication[/size] it is Pre-Marital Sex and it is always wrong. against you and God

pre-marital sex is fornication, Trini do u read ur bible? if u do you will see that, sex is spiritual and as mrpataki said it is a sin.
marriage bed should be undefiled, we should stop deceiving ourselves, the bible says in the last days people will turn verses to their favor and interpret it in ways that will justify what thy do.

sex is meant for married people, if you are commited to a man u are not married to and u are having sex with him, you are indulging in sin

archay9:

pre-marital sex is fornication, Trini do u read ur bible? if u do you will see that, sex is  spiritual and as mrpataki said it is  a sin.
marriage bed should be undefiled, we should stop deceiving ourselves, the bible says in the last days people will turn verses to their favor and interpret it in ways that will justify what thy do.

sex is meant for married people, if you are commited to a man u are not married to and u are having sex with him, you are indulging in sin

Sex is meant for married people? what about people that decide never to get married. I am sorry to say this but some of these points are retarded and they definitely show the warped influence religion has had in the normal thought process of many. I absolutely have no issues with how you decide to live your life nor am i saying religion is not good but pls climb down the mountain top and stop speaking as if you know it all.

Apart from the Bible where does it state that pre-marital sex is wrong?

Badriyyah:

Apart from the Bible where does it state that pre-marital sex is wrong?

. Qur'an is more strict against pre-marital sex

OKay.trini_girl, i completely agree with you! I think a lot of people here are way too judgemental and illogical and just plain stupid and mean. What is all your problem? Why do you have to go attacking her personally?? I think her question is reasonable because I actually don't see any bible verse that says these words: "sex before marriage is wrong." It seems more of a 'culture' than any commandment. Also, someone on here said sex before marriage is 'sin' but, sin is breaking the 10 commandments, and nowhere in the 10 commandments does it say sex before marriage is wrong. I think sex in itself 'is' marriage, it's when you become one flesh. If you notice in the bible, everytime 2 people 'knew' each other, they were referred to as '1' flesh.

Also i think people are interpreting Hebrews 13:4 in a screwed up way,  "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. "

Ok, the word 'honourable' and honour means to 'respect' the other person. and 'undefiled' means "adjective
1. free from stain or blemish
2. (of language) not having its purity or excellence debased; "uncorrupted English"; "learn to speak pure English undefiled"- Van Wyck Brooks [syn: uncorrupted] "

THese definitions are from dicitonary.com

Now, these meanings can also mean that a true marriage should not have 'fornication' as in having sex with other people (adultery against each other) so that the marriage is pure and clean and the marriage bed is undefiled. If this is not what the verse means why would the verse mention 'whoremongers and adultures' as a comparison straight after it? The verse is saying that there should be no fornication (having sex with many people or even 1 person other than ur spouse and cheating having orgy etc) in marriage and if people do commit fornication in marriage (whoremongers and adulters), God will judge them! (they will get punished. Often men who cheat on their wives get 'caught' and have to pay the consequences. they lose their marriage, their children. Also, they will have to give an account to God when they die!)

Now, if the word 'fornication' means 'sex before marriage', can anyone explain this verse?

matthew 19:9 "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." (KJV)

This verse is saying that whoever divorces their spouse (except if the spouse 'fornicated' as in cheated, had sex with others etc) and marry someone else commited adultery.  So e.g if you divorce your wife for no reason (she hasn't fornicated behind ur back) and marry someone else, then it's the same thing as u cheating (adultery) on ur wife and whoever marrys someone else who has divorced someone too without reason has cheated (adultery) too.

Now if the word 'fornication' means 'sex before marriage', why is this word used in this verse?? So are u all teling me that matthew 19:9 means this, ?

and I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for (having sex before marriage), and shall marry another, committeth adultery:and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."

So, wot the , ? explain please?

@topic

Fornication:voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other
Hence by definition pre-marital sex IS fornication.

@poster
I think you are asking the wrong question. The real question is when does a couple become married: when they are both committed, when both parents give their consent, when they are married in the church, or any other point of reference?

biina:

@topic

Fornication:voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other
Hence by definition pre-marital sex IS fornication.

@poster
I think you are asking the wrong question. The real question is when does a couple become married: when they are both committed, when both parents give their consent, when they are married in the church, or any other point of reference?

Don't be in haste to conclude. First of all, what is the 'true meaning' of the word interpreted to mean 'fornication'? Was it directed at sex between 'un-married' couples or just random sex? Could there have been an error of translation involved or a misreading of the original concept the authors were trying to pass across?

The 'definition' you quoted - is it a general dictionary definition or is it based on an interpretation of biblical events?

What is random sex?

debosky:

Don't be in haste to conclude. First of all, what is the 'true meaning' of the word interpreted to mean 'fornication'? Was it directed at sex between 'un-married' couples or just random sex? Could there have been an error of translation involved or a misreading of the original concept the authors were trying to pass across?

The 'definition' you quoted - is it a general dictionary definition or is it based on an interpretation of biblical events?

Random sex - Man see's woman on the road fancies her and somehow convinces her to shag him without any pretense that he loves or wants to have a relationship beyond sex. Usually not many hours after the initial meeting.

@lixiinmei
Fornication is not exactly the same as pre marital sex Fornication (see definition) is having voluntary sex with someone you are not married to. This is irrelevant of our marital status.
Since you are not yet married to your partner, pre-marital sex is a form of fornication.

Adultery on the other hand is defined as sex between a married person and a partner they are not married to. It is a subset of fornication.

Hence fornication and adultery can be used interchangeably, with no loss in meaning, for a married person, a single person can only be guilty of fornication.

This should clarify your question on Matthew 19:9

debosky:

Random sex - Man see's woman on the road fancies her and somehow convinces her to shag him without any pretense that he loves or wants to have a relationship beyond sex. Usually not many hours after the initial meeting.

Oh I see in other words what you do every friday night

Difficult to define but generally if you are not married and you are humping then you are fornicating.

debosky:

Don't be in haste to conclude. First of all, what is the 'true meaning' of the word interpreted to mean 'fornication'? Was it directed at sex between 'un-married' couples or just random sex? Could there have been an error of translation involved or a misreading of the original concept the authors were trying to pass across?

The 'definition' you quoted - is it a general dictionary definition or is it based on an interpretation of biblical events?

The definition quoted is a general dictionary definition of an English word which would apply to a Bible written in English. It simply addresses the topic posted.

The question of the 'true meaning' is a V-topic, as unless you ask the writer of the original Greek scriptures, you will never get to the 'true meaning'.

For any translation of the Bible, you are always subjected to the colored view of the translator, given the impossibility of exact translation between languages (except in a few simple cases like a declarative statement). Language translations  are aimed at not just a word for word translation, as the OP suggests, but rather a holistic approach to retain the full meaning in context. The same Greek phrase that is translated into English to include the word 'fornication' in the KJV, has no such reference in other translation like NIV. Keep in mind that certain words in Hebrew were also translated into fornication.

If the OP has a problem with the KJV translation, he/she can use another version of the bible, but I doubt she will do any better, as the common idea is not to have sex with someone you are not married to.

okay, so what does everyone think of this then?

Matthew 1:18-21 (King James Version)

18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused(engaged) to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.


It says that Mary was "espoused" which is sort of like engaged. Now how come in verse 19 it all of a sudden says that Joseph is her husband? No ceremony no nothing? then the angel says fear not to take her on as your wife?

well, can someone answer this,

well, based on the topic above, pre-marital sex is not good for the people who has not yet married. if anybody who has not yet married is doing it, i will advised him or her to stop it. for it can ruin someone life .even, it is against god's will.

yeh but u haven't replied my post about the verse. ur message is just plainly ur opinion without any rebuttle of what i said

Jesus said that if you look at a person with lust, you have already committed adultery,

matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman TO lust
after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."


Well, pretty much if you continue to lust over other women and watch porn, how is that more pure than having sex with the one you dearly love and have been together for so long and are engaged and want to marry but your finances are low and your parents arn't supportive. Are you saying it's just not God's will and the couple should break up? Is this what christianity is?,

Also, is sex before marriage only sexual intercourse? what about MouthAction and other forms of sexually-related behaviour. What about kissing and hugging? and even holding hands, ?

Why can't anybody be a bit more clear when they describe this term.

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Pre-Marital Sex Is Not Fornication
« on: January 11, 2007, 03:18 PM »

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It is my belief that pre-marital sex is different from fornication. The verb "to fornicate" is derived from the Greek word
korinthiazomai,a word which was derived from the city of Corinth, where promiscuity and sexual immorality abounded like no where else and the corinthians worshipped the goddess of love (eros), Aphrodite.

There were over 1,000 prostitutes in the temple of Aphrodite, so sexual promisuity was the norm.

In Paul's letter to the Corinthians he admonishes them to flee fornication, meaning avoid to avoid sexually promiscuous behaviour, sleeping with prostitutes, and multiple sex partners.

This is different from pre marital sex.

My point is, if you are committed to be married to someone, then having sex with that person does not mean you are a fornicator.

Although I do not condone sex with multiple partners, sex with your boyfriend or fiancee is fine, as long as you are both committed to each other and monogamous.

The floor is now open.


olodo!!!

chei all these funny funny posts shoooooo!!

its so funny haven read so much on this thread i came to realise that people tends to use it to suit their taste,i pity all those that says its not a sin to have sex
before marriage, pls don't be misled by the people that quote that, its a sin, if you think you are in a relationship of about to marry pls try and wait till ur wedding day,and getting wedded does not have to be elaborate so far there is two or three witnesses,you can go on so far you love eachother, thats all that matters,then you can have it as you want it, and always be faithful to eachother thereby not giving way for adultery, pls nairalanders don't let us be carried away with the things of the world because we all account for them on the judgement day.

catalyst23:


This is different from pre marital sex.

My point is, if you are committed to be married to someone, then having sex with that person does not mean you are a fornicator.

Although I do not condone sex with multiple partners, sex with your boyfriend or fiancee is fine, as long as you are both committed to each other and monogamous.


The floor is now open.

well, I dont know about that.

You can have the sex but it doesnt mean you cant be branded a fornicator. Or that you arent a fornicator.

Most people could care less, that's all.

fornication is fornication even if hes a night to wedding, stop branding it

Question: Is pre-marital sex fornication?

Yes 263 (81.7%)

No 59 (18.3%)



Nothing to argue abt any more .

wow this our thread is still alive?
what was my name then sef

$osisi:

wow this our thread is still alive?
what was my name then sef

babyosisi

Na every week u dey change name sef i just notice say u don put dollar for ur new name. haba na every time dem they ban u?

Scripture says it is better to marry than to burn. Sex outside of marriage is wrong either way. We shouldn't take a definition of a term and use it to ease our conscious of guilt. If your are really not sure seek God on the matter, he will reveal it to you!

because u are involved in pre marital sex does not mean it is right.

Pre marital sex is wrong whether with multiple or a single partner,even if you are wedding tomorrow,the massive indulgence in it does not make it right,Gods word cannot be compromised.Well u have a choice.You can choose life,sowing good seed or choose problems involving in it. I know that a lot of people are itching to come out.The truth is this make ur partner see the reason why pre marital sex in ur relationship should stop,if he or she refuses then stop.The wages of sin is still death,that relationship might soon die.

Oh my God! See people twisting the Bible.

lixinmei:

OKay.trini_girl, i completely agree with you! I think a lot of people here are way too judgemental and illogical and just plain stupid and mean. What is all your problem? Why do you have to go attacking her personally?? I think her question is reasonable because I actually don't see any bible verse that says these words: "sex before marriage is wrong." It seems more of a 'culture' than any commandment. Also, someone on here said sex before marriage is 'sin' but, sin is breaking the 10 commandments, and nowhere in the 10 commandments does it say sex before marriage is wrong. I think sex in itself 'is' marriage, it's when you become one flesh. If you notice in the bible, everytime 2 people 'knew' each other, they were referred to as '1' flesh.

James 4:17
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

That verse expands the meaning of sin much more than the ten commandments.