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Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by munyasia(m): 5:24am On Dec 08, 2005 |
Just wondering whether Mohammed is mentioned in the bible. Let me know. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by owo(m): 7:22am On Dec 08, 2005 |
No... absolutely none...I've searched all over.... and I've started again recently. I would really love to see even 'half' a mention... |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by sweetnini(f): 10:48am On Dec 08, 2005 |
i havent seen oooooooo |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by goodguy(m): 12:18pm On Dec 08, 2005 |
Me neither. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Kenya(f): 6:48am On Dec 09, 2005 |
Actually Prophet Mohammad is mentioned in the Bible. If you are looking for his name then No, you will not find him but if you are looking for the comforter who will come in Jesus name then you will find him. My suggestion is to study Mohammed's (PBUH) life and you will see the comfort that Jesus spoke of. I'm searching the Bible for the verses and then I will post them, I just wanted to give you some light about the question. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Kenya(f): 7:38am On Dec 09, 2005 |
Okay I found some of it. Firstly let's build on what the holy spirit is and where it can be found and who it can be found in. I Corinthians 3:16,17 & 6:19,20 Next lets build on how the truth may come in different forms of goverments, administrations that's different from Christianity I Corinthians 12:45 Okay now lets build on what to look for after Jesus (PBUH) John 14:[/b]15,16,17 [b]You can lead a man to the fountain but you can not force him to drink. With that being said I am not here to impose anything upon anyone, I'm just pointing out truth and striving my hardest to translate it in it's proper context so that we all may understand. Be well everyone 1 Like |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by sweetnini(f): 8:19am On Dec 09, 2005 |
i don't still see it connected sry |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Kenya(f): 8:53am On Dec 09, 2005 |
Firstly let me say that Allah gives understanding to whom he pleases and when he wills. did you read the verses or study them? The type of Translation you read is very important as well. I have a study bible which is different from the average Bible that people read. My Bible may be the same as the Pastors. In addition to that as I suggested before, please read and study the life of the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). The connection is there for those who truly seek. But when you seek you have to be very open and willing to accept what you find. Again you will not find it spelled out in words because it is hidden, that's just how the bible is, the jewels of it is hidden. Again the Bible is a very complexed book (No disrespect intended). It is not an easy book to intrepid. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by owo(m): 1:39pm On Dec 09, 2005 |
I'm still looking for the connection....after reading those verses.... Moreso....Jesus said Luke 24 :38 '....for a spirit does not have flesh and bones ....' Did Mohammad live on earth with flesh and blood? and yet is the holy spirit that doesn't have flesh and blood? According to John 14: 17... the world (its inhabitants) cannot see the Holy Spirit... Was Mohammed seen by human beings in this world...? How then is he the spirit? Did you really read these passages before dishing them out? In any there is no passage like I Corinthians 12 : 45 Is the Bible complex? absolutely NO... Is it difficult to interprete? absolutely NO... It is the most straightforward book that I've read all my life.....''If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given him."James 1:5 Be wise... this is a public fora... crosscheck your references well. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Kenya(f): 3:08am On Dec 10, 2005 |
As I said before You can lead a man to the well but you can not force them to drink from the well. I read the verses carfully enough to trust that they would give right guidance. The difference in both of our understandings the verses is that I have an Islamic base that supports my common senses, which guided me through my studies. One of the great difference in our religions is one greatly guides logic (Islam) and the other greatly guides emotions (Christianity). I have difficulty following your logic to the end of it's conclusion. No a spirit does not have flesh and bones, yet it lives inside and outside of flesh and bones. I would like to think that everyone knows that they have a spirit within their bodies. I'm not sure how we are able to live without a spirit which is different from the soul. ( I hope we know that by now especially if were are talking about having wisdom) So yes Mohammad had a spirit just as Jesus did (PBUT). As I said before, The first verses[b] I Corinthians 3:16,17 & 6:19,20[/b] pointed out the fact that the holy spirit lives within the human body. Allah said in the translation that he lives within us and that our bodies are a temple that we must respect and take care of. The spirit of Allah living within us all. The second verses I Corinthians 12:4,5 (my apologies for the era, but a true student would have understood the era.) This verses pointed out that the holy spirit can be found in many people other than Jesus and other religions outside of Christianity. In-fact it gives credit to the spirit being expressed in many ways, yet it has the same G-D Allah. the third verses John 14:15,16,17 Jesus tells us that he will pray for us to have a comforter. Someone who will be of him as he was of Allah. Jesus said that if we knew his works then we would know and follow the comforter. Jesus said that the comforter will reflect the same work that he represented. He didn't say that he will be a Christain in the way that you understand Christainity. (Too narrow) Again the holy spirit is not visable, nor was it visable in Jesus but we believed that the holy spirit influenced his actions, truth and righteousness. In fact is was his actions of the truth that he used to help us believe in him being sent from Allah. In the same chapter in the above verses Jesus also says that many of you claim to follow me but you know me not. So again I am un clear of the bases of your Logic if I could in fact call it Logic. I would say the same questions that you pose about Mohammad you should pose about Jesus and if you find the answers to be fitting for Jesus then they are fitting for Mohammad (PBUH). They were both righteous human beings created by Allah. I also referred you to study the life of Prophet Mohammad if you doubted what Jesus said, or mis-understood. ( You did not) I also said that the translation that you read will defiantly be important, yet the principle should be the same for those who understand. I am Muslim yes but I strive not to be bias in my views. I am always open to the truth from every angle, because I believe that Allah is greater than a religion. Allah is greater than anything that we can imagine. Having saying that I honestly thought this forum was about Mohammad within the bible? I am not here to wage in a war against you if I don't have too, Although I have no problem in doing so. I just don't see the necessity of it. I know Christian Pastors who say that the Bible is complexed. Complexed is not a negative thing, it simply means that it takes great understanding, knowledge and wisdom to intrepid it. Wisdom alone does not do it alone. According to my knowledge, Wisdom shows us how to use knowledge correctly. I don't see that I have mis-used any knowledge here. I think we all know that the Bible is a book of stories according to Jesus disciples and those who had views and that it was strongly influenced by William Shakesphear, which makes it difficult to understand. The bible contains very little imput from Allah and Jesus. Only what people think they have said. This is speculation of the perceived truth, it doesn't make it the abosolute truth. Big difference. Have you seen a real original Bible? Have you read it in it's original form? If not then you are only reading a translation that is an interpretation of what is being said? Have you read the book of Barnabas? This is an addition to the Bible that is not greatly known about but it is defiantly clear about who Jesus is. Many of my Christian friends are beginning to read it and tell me great things about it. If you find the Bible to be clear for you to understand and you feel comfortable that you understand it in it's proper context and beyond the words that are written then May Allah continue to bless your understanding. To tell me to be wise and to check my references before I put them out is a correct thing to say if you have found era. But I don't see where the era is on my behalf other than maybe posting on this forum trying to build with people who seem to want to make this Christian verses Islam forum. Truthfully you have not displayed a greater level of Wisdom that qualifies you to justly asses my knowledge and wisdom displayed. You displayed ignorant arrogance with no clear logic, if anything. You seem to be emotional rather than logical. Being logical requires a response not a reaction. To react is to be emotional. Big difference, especially if we are speaking of having wisdom. Your questions truthfully made me sad because I wondered what might you have been thinking, especially if you say that you believe in Jesus. Those questions displayed dis-belief in Jesus. Until you read about the life of Prophet Mohammah then you are not qaulified to speak on him. Unitil you read the Qu'Arn then you are not qaulified to speak on Islam. How can you search within the Bible for someone whom which you do not know? This is insane because you can not find someone you do not know, and you will always be blind to him until you know him. I will not be posting on this post anymore because I am not going to give any energy to you hitting your head against the wall. To engage in war against you would not be just because you appear to be ignorant about your own Religion. Being Muslim requires that I respect and have a great understanding of Christainity inorer to respect the form that Allah rvealed his knowledge in and defintly give respect to all of the Great Prophets that walked the eart. Islam speaks of Prophets that I'm sure you have never herd of. I can find the truth of the Bible within the Qu'Arn, but only the truth. Islam inclueds everything from the beginning of time until the end. May Allah continue to guide, protect and bless us all. Only Allah can give understanding. @ Sweetnini Why be on the post looking for Mohammad within the Bible then reject the readings? Why even post a response, it only shows ignorance. This is a pitty because you are my people. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by nicetohave(m): 12:35pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
@ Seun, I think i got it...its your call what you allow to stay on the site and what to go but what i have posted is not just for kenya but for everyone...both sarcasm and critism should be allowed to thrive...because in it purposes are revealed and lives are touched and changed around...i just feel you should be more cautious...if kenya's opinion can be allowed to stay and hers is considered her opinion why should a counter opinion be deleted? and passed for a religious fanatism? |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 12:56pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
Why nothing? According to your interpretation the Bible has so many things to say about the rise of Soviet Russia and about the Last Days and even about the Pope of the Roman Catholics? Surely this man Muhummed who had been responsible for the bringing into being a world-wide community of millions of Believers who, on his authority, believe in: (1) the miraculous birth of Jesus, (2) that Jesus is the Messiah (3) that he gave life to the dead by God's permission, and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by God's permission. Surely the Bible must have something to say about this great Leader of men who spoke so well of Jesus and his mother Mary? "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18. To whom does this prophecy refere? |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by sweetnini(f): 12:59pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
@seun i didnt say anything wrong she used the word ignorance and i didnt say anything back |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by nicetohave(m): 1:02pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
@ kismat You and I and everyone who have decided to consecrate his life to the service of God to humanity...in addition to all the prophets of old[i]...as many as believe in him to them he gave power to become the sons of God...[/i]with sonship comes authority...and the authority comes from God...who put his words in their mouths. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by nicetohave(m): 1:07pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
@ sweetnini knock it off...its a nice thing you didnt respond, im sure she doesnt mean it in a deleterious way (if every woman could their peace like yours, men would be the happier for it @ Kenya Im sorry if my response was a bit on the offensive side...its just a bid to convey my heart and opinion, please your opinion are most welcomed |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 1:14pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
@nice....i dont think my question is that hard. To whom does this prophecy refer? It didnt say prophets (with an S) just prophet. This is God talking to Moses. Who was being refered to in this verse? |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by nicetohave(m): 1:24pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
aye...your question is not that hard...i have merely made it easier for you to fathom the answer and others unasked as yet...can you count the number of prophets that have been after the prophecy was made? MANY i presume your answer is, but since you have asked....the prophecy was given long before the birth of Jesus...are you still in the dark? |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 2:48pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
so you are saying what? its refering to Jesus? Why not speak your mind son? Stop giving vague answers. Call a spade a spade. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by nicetohave(m): 2:55pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
You know kismat...you are such an interesting and knowledgeable nairalander....until we realise spiritual issues for what they are it will be difficult to relate the issues properly...my answers are not vague...not anymore vague than Jesus' response to pontius pilate[i]...and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.[/i]...what was Jesus' response to his subsequent question when he queried "and what is the truth"? |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 3:39pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
you seem to luck the holy spirit when it comes to answering questions. Lets stick to the topic......who is being refered to? |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by goodguy(m): 3:54pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
Kismat, the Bible says, "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18. Do you know how many prophets that existed after that verse? I really can't say the Bible was referring to anyone in particular, neither will I say it was referring to Mohammed (as u imply). |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by nicetohave(m): 5:08pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
Kismat...you really make me grin..do you honestly think i am going to tell you its prophet A or B...mistaken, if you dont know by now then maybe someone else will help you out...moreover i dont make reference to the Holy spirit on the topic as you do...and with your usage of the Holy Spirit i can see you do not know him...and if you do not know him, how can you understand what he spake through the mouth his prophets? "mo ka nle" over and out. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 5:38pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
I really can't say the Bible was referring to anyone in particular, neither will I say it was referring to Mohammed (as u imply). Funny how your statement shows the total denial of something you have no knowledge of (Mohammed pbuh). Allow me to illustrate how this fits Mohammed pbuh and not Jesus as MANY of you would jump to as the refered prophet. "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18. A prophet means a man who receives Divine Revelation for the Guidance of Man and this Guidance he conveys to God's creatures as received without any addition or deletion. Thousands of prophets have been sent by God by known to us are about two dozens or so. Of the 20'something, how many do you know of that are LIKE moses? HOW MUHUMMED IS LIKE MOSES Marriage Ties Moses and Muhummed married and begat children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life. Jesus Rejected by his People Moses and Muhummed were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime. No doubt the Jews gave endless trouble to Moses and they murmured in the wilderness, but as a nation, they acknowledged that Moses was a Messenger of God sent to them. The Arabs too made Muhummed's life imposs ible. He suffered very badly at their hands. After 13 years of preaching in Mecca, he had to emigrate from the city of his birth. But before his demise, the Arab nation as a whole accepted him as the Messenger of Allah. But according to the Bible: 'He (Jesus) CAME UNTO HIS OWN, BUT HIS OWN RECEIVED HIM NOT.' (John 1:11). And even today, ofter two thousand years, his people- the Jews, as a whole, have rejeted him. How they Departed Both Moses and Muhummed died natural deaths, but according to Christianity, Jesus was violently killed on the cross Heavenly Abode Moses and Muhummed both lie buried in earth, but according to you, Jesus in heaven. Muhummed (Arab) Brethren of Moses (Jew) "I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN LIKE UNTO THEE......." The emphasis is on the words- "From among their brethren." Moses and his people, the Jews, are here addressed as a racial entity, and as such their 'brethren' would undoubtedly be the arabs. You see, the Holy Bible s peaks of Abraham as the "Friend of God". Abraham had two wives - Sarah and Hagar. Hagar bore Abraham a son - HIS FIRST-BORN- '......And Abraham(11) called HIS SON'S name, which Hagar bare Ishmael.' (Genesis 16:15). 'And Abraham took Ishmael HIS SON......" (Genesis 17:23). 'And Ishmael HIS SON was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.'(Genesis 17:25). Up to the age of THIRTEEN Ishmael was the ONLY son and sed of Abraham, when the covenant was ratified between God and Abraham. God grants Abraham another son through Sarah, named Isaac, wh o was very much the junior to his brother Ishmael. Arabs and Jews If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israeli tes beause he was a descendant of Ishamel the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among the mselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN! Words in the Mouth History tells us that Muhummed was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue:'IQRA' which means READ! or PROCLAIM! or RECITE! Muhummed w as terrified and in his bewilderment replied that he was not NOT LEARNED! The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues. Now Muhummed, grasps, that what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth: "READ! IN THE NAME OF THE LORD AND CHERISHER, WHO CREATED- CREATED MAN, FROM A (MERE) CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD: READ! AND THY LORD IS MOST BOUNTIFUL,- HE WHO TAUGHT (THE USE OF) THE PEN, TAUGHT MAN THAT WHICH HE KNEW NOT". (Holy Qur'an 96:1-5) These are the first five verses which were revealed to Muhummed which now occupy the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Qur'an and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him Chapters in the quran start with: IN TH E NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL SAY:"O PEOPLE OF THE BOOK! COME TO COMMON TERMS AS BETWEEN US AND YOU: THAT WE WORSHIP NONE BUT GOD; THAT WE ASSOCIATE NO PARTNERS WITH HIM; THAT WE ERECT NOT, FROM AMONG OURSELVES, LORDS AND PATRONS OTHER THAN GOD." IF THEN THEY TURN BACK, SAY:"BEAR WITNESS THAT WE (AT LEAST) ARE MUSLIMS (BOWING TO GOD'S WILL)." (Holy Qur'an 3:64) |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by nuru(m): 5:56pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
That is nice talk. The similarity of Moses to Muhammad cannot be doubted. The Biblical verse that has a phrase translated to Holy Spirit is the clue. What is the word/phrase that was translated to Holy spirit in the original language that Jesus spoke while on earth. If you can find that original word/phrase, then you will see that Muhammad is in the Bible. Can any reserach student take this up. Start by answering the question of 'which language did Jesus spoke ' |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by nuru(m): 5:57pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
i wrote too fast. dont mind the grammar. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by goodguy(m): 6:04pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
@kismat, I want to let you know that no one here is implying that Jesus was the one being referred to. Besides, Jesus wasn't/isn't a prophet. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by nicetohave(m): 6:16pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
Interesting, interesting...i am listening and learning...learning how we read and interpret. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by nicetohave(m): 6:36pm On Dec 12, 2005 |
Indeed...God did say something about Mohammed but not in the way i am reading this interpretations...however if you must put 2 and 2 together..and you must make a comparison between moses and mohammed and draw up a sequence of events and genealogy...then perhaps you should start from where they both spring from and perhaps you'd know the mind of God about them...when you have the time and you have a bible...read up what God has to say to Abraham [who is the father of us all (at least from the religious point of view)] in Genensis 17: 18-20 and then Genesis 16: 7- 13 |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 3:37pm On Dec 13, 2005 |
You spend 99% of your time/energy talking/reading about salvation backing yourselves with a book (bible) that you dont understand. I've yet to hear anyone giving a concrete answer as to who is being refered to in the verse i've quoted. If its not muhammed pbuh, state who and why? |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by nicetohave(m): 5:38pm On Dec 13, 2005 |
Have you read the passage to know who is in the covenant of the Almighty for the redemption of his people and all mankind and who is definitely not but merely received the benevolence of God? |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by nicetohave(m): 5:40pm On Dec 13, 2005 |
How can you be in the plan of God for redemption when you are not rooted in his covenant? |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by kismat: 3:17pm On Dec 14, 2005 |
nice quote me something relevant to the topic. Stop this salvation/redemption thing. You claim that the bible is Gods words and millions of you believe in it. Quote me something from it. Teach me. I'm not a christian and i'm challenging you to prove that the verse i've quoted above is refering to someone else. Definitely not your saviour jesus. Who then? |
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