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[quote author=pestrolus2002 post=54511514][/quote]......"sound immature"?.firstly.You dont have to insult one's personality before arguing your point.so take note of that incase of other time.

2ndly,what facts did the prof you dignified so much has to make a diagnosis from analysing a picture without any history.Anyway,as you've stated,you might have been thought to practice medicine that way abroad.

3rdly,In Nigeria,we were thought to always investigate anaemia to determine the cause which will form the basis of our diagnosis and treat it not just transfusing with blood and give heamatinics.

4thly,dippression,schiz and co still have pathological basis which form the basis on which their drugs for treatment act.Although some pathological basis are still at hypothetical stage.

5thly,it seems you are so eager to rubbish nigerian doctors than anything.You dont have to do that to Marshall your points sir.

aribisala0:
Did you read the interview. Did you reflect on it before commenting.

You sound immature. You claim it is ALWAYS secondary to something. That may be true(it may be essential) but everything is secondary to something. Leaving that to one side once again did you read the interview? A mature doctor wants to be armed with the facts before condemning a colleague. Your post is self serving and not relevant to what HE ACTUALLY SAID.


At any rate have you ever used ICD 10 in your life to make charges for treatment ? Of what relevance is it to aything the prof said that "anaemia is always secondary". He indeed did say as much!!! Let us assume it is secondary to Iron deficiency that may be secondary to a vegetarian diet which is secondary to a religious belief which is secondary to a religious revelation or to poverty or to recession or to the dollar exchange rate ad infinitum.

That is the way medicinie is taught in Nigeria but . secondary conditions like Hypertension like diabetes like dermatitis like anxiety like vitiligo are indeed diagnoses. Nigerian trained doctors have a problem wiith intellectual humility.They know little but think they know everything

quote]......"sound immature"?.firstly.You dont have to
insult one's personality before arguing your point.so
take note of that incase of other time.
2ndly,what facts did the prof you dignified so much
has to make a diagnosis from analysing a picture
without any history.Anyway,as you've stated,you might
have been thought to practice medicine that way
abroad.
3rdly,In Nigeria,we were thought to always investigate
anaemia to determine the cause which will form the
basis of our diagnosis and treat it not just transfusing
with blood and give heamatinics.
4thly,dippression,schiz and co still have pathological
basis which form the basis on which their drugs for
treatment act.Although some pathological basis are
still at hypothetical stage.
5thly,it seems you are so eager to rubbish nigerian
doctors than anything.You dont have to do that to
Marshall your points sir.

Basic123:
quote]......"sound immature"?.firstly.You dont have to
insult one's personality before arguing your point.so
take note of that incase of other time.
2ndly,what facts did the prof you dignified so much
has to make a diagnosis from analysing a picture
without any history.Anyway,as you've stated,you might
have been thought to practice medicine that way
abroad.
3rdly,In Nigeria,we were thought to always investigate
anaemia to determine the cause which will form the
basis of our diagnosis and treat it not just transfusing
with blood and give heamatinics.
4thly,dippression,schiz and co still have pathological
basis which form the basis on which their drugs for
treatment act.Although some pathological basis are
still at hypothetical stage.
5thly,it seems you are so eager to rubbish nigerian
doctors than anything.You dont have to do that to
Marshall your points sir.

We are discussing a newspaper interview not conducting a hospital Grand Round.

So we need to read what the Prof said and contextualize it properly. There is no need to get into technilaties of what anaemia is or is not.
That is why in hospital it is the more senior and experienced doctors who are mandated to speak to the publc because they have the maturity to properly calibrate their words.

All that dialogue about causes of anaemia etc has its proper time and place . As far as the interview that I read goes it was properly pitched at the audience. The Prof was not addressing an annual scientific/medical conference but the public and his choice of words was spot on.

Nigerian doctors have a very bad attitude ,that is a fact. Not just nigerian doctors, policemen,judges,everyone.The doctors are arrogant and disrespectful and seem to think that textbooks are bibles.This is a cultural issue with the practice of medicine in Nigeria .
We cannot pretend otherwise. It is this same attitude that is reflected in this thread; The desire to put down or disparage overtakes the capacity to balance ,weigh and reflect.
Nigerian doctors do very well abroad often because they are smart but to do so they must first change attitude and imbibe the ability to say " I don't know". Something you willl never hear in Nigeria. We are here talking about "Anaemis is not a diagnosis" Where did that come from ? That is a technical matter and wholly irrelevant

I see absolutely nothing wrong with what the prof said but I am not surprised by what I have read here

aribisala0:


We are discussing a newspaper interview not conducting a hospital Grand Round.

So we need to read what the Prof said and contextualize it properly. There is no need to get into technilaties of what anaemia is or is not.
That is why in hospital it is the more senior and experienced doctors who are mandated to speak to the publc because they have the maturity to properly calibrate their words.

All that dialogue about causes of anaemia etc has its proper time and place . As far as the interview that I read goes it was properly pitched at the audience. The Prof was not addressing an annual scientific/medical conference but the public and his choice of words was spot on.

Nigerian doctors have a very bad attitude ,that is a fact. Not just nigerian doctors, policemen,judges,everyone.The doctors are arrogant and disrespectful and seem to think that textbooks are bibles.This is a cultural issue with the practice of medicine in Nigeria we cannot pretend otherwise. It is this same attitude that is reflected in this thread; The desire to put down or disparage overtakes the capacity to balance ,weigh and reflect.
Nigerian doctors do very well abroad often because they are smart but they must change attitude and imbibe the ability to say " I don't know". Something you willl never hear in Nigeria

I see absolutely nothing wrong with what the prof said but I am not surprised by what I have read head

ok

AreaFada2:

Sorry. I meant to write "damage", not dame.

No boss, I did not meant to say kunu is bad.

Just that generally, we need to have a good mix of food: carbohydrate, protein (fish, red meat, beans), vegetable of various colours, fruits, nuts, etc.

Carbohydrate mainly gives energy and excess will end up as stored fat.

Of note is that we should now eat around 10 portions of combined fruit & veg daily. It used to be 5 portions.

Eat your carrots, orange/tangerine, mango,agbalumo, garden egg, ewedu, okro, okazi, green/red paprika and others. In addition to your fura da nunu, eba/garri, yam, etc

Ok. Thank you because I like that Kunu and fura combo and you come wrote like say I have being doing self medication....now I come panic tell my wife say trouble dey ......thank you for the clarification....kunu continue

Leopantro:
thank God it is not Malaria and Typhoid. the Prof knows anaemia very well; it is rare in Nigeria




if you do nor appreciate sarcasm, you will not understand what I wrote.

Lol. If a Prof. If Medicine really stated it as reported then he should be thinking of retiring ASAP. That's if he hasn't already done so.

Basic123:
ok

The Prof was not making a diagnosis. Last time I checked you need a patient to be making a diagnosis and Buhari is NOT his patient. We must not lose sight of the context


He was conducting an INTERVIEW with the press that was conjectural and speculative on a person of immense public interest and this is what he said

aribisala0:

There is therefore a preliminary diagnosis of anaemia meaning insufficient blood in the circulation
"it is imperative to know the possible causes of the anaemia.The question that arises in the absence of information, which is understandable, is the cause of the anaemia.
Is it possible that his anaemia is drug induced or drug related and that investigations in London revealed this? We do not know. If this is true common pain relieving drugs like Panadol may cause kidney damage and give rise to anaemia for which he received transfusions."

I do not see any confusion over what he said AT ALL

What does PRELIMINARY mean


The Prof has demonstrated clearly and unmistakably his understanding ofthe diagnostic issues as well as his professional maturity in carefully choosing the right words for the right audience

Kathmandu:
I don't do low lifers.

I feel you babe

aribisala0:

The Prof was not making a diagnosis. Last time I checked you need a patient to be making a diagnosis and Buhari is NOT his patient. We must not lose sight of the context


He was conducting an INTERVIEW with the press that was conjectural and speculative on a person of immense public interest and this is what he said

I do not see any confusion over what he said AT ALL

What does PRELIMINARY mean

ok

[/color][color=#000099]anaemia could be the secondary effect of crohns disease and as well prostrate related issues

Caseless:
Hmmm...



And Saharareporters said it was "crohn's disease" and prostate related. Wondering if they have details of the diagnosis or they're his doctors.



Me to SR...

People don't just get anaemic, something must be responsible, we are scientist and we know very well that treatment in chemotherapy and radiotherapy causes anaemia. Also bone marrow failure is not dysfunction that cause it if a person is not undergoing cancer treatment

In my own personal opinion I believe the Prof is right. He came up with the diagnosis of Anaemia due to the story of blood transfusion as part of PMB treatment. He also stated that the anaemia is due to something the public is not aware of.
An House Officer or Registrar cannot do clerking of a patient and said his diagnosis is just Anaemia. What is actually causing the anaemia? There are over 100 causes of anaemia. Any medical student or even patient relative can actually tell you there is blood deficit due to pale features of the patient and the work of a good medical practitioner is to find the definitive diagnosis.
Reading the medics comments here takes me back to the days of grand round muscle flexing by my chiefs.

The man just came back and price of garri shoot up by 100%. Him for just stay back for dat london o. The way am even seeing sef, like dis man is here to stay for a loooong time,if so den we are doommed. God help us all

I'm tired of all these guess work and secrecy

What I know is that before the end of this year,EVERYTHING SHALL BE REVEALED

Anemia isn't a diagnosis or a disease. It's usually a symptom of a preexisting ailment. I doubt the doctor said that

3plet:
[/color][color=#000099]anaemia could be the secondary effect of crohns disease and as well prostrate related issues

oh! But I also heard that it's an inflammatory disease of the intestine associated with ulcer .

kenedy175:
Anemia isn't a diagnosis or a disease. It's usually a symptom of a preexisting ailment. I doubt the doctor said that

Really? What exactly is a "diagnosis"

aribisala0:
Really? What exactly is a "diagnosis"

Diagnosis is a process involved in determining a disease condition... all what I'm saying is that Anemia isn't a disease. It's just a symptom. Someone Can't be diagnosed with Anemia.

kenedy175:


Diagnosis is a process involved in determining a disease condition... all what I'm saying is that Anemia isn't a disease. It's just a symptom. Someone Can't be diagnosed with Anemia.

I am sorry but you need to be clear. "Process" so is an X-ray a diagnosis? I am struggling. You said Anemia is NOT a diagnosis.
The World Health Organizaation says it is. In fact the WHO published a list of Diagnoses called the ICD 10 International Classification of Diseases-10 and Lists Anemia as a disease, including anemias of unknown aetiology

Now you say it is not a disease. How do you define disease??

If na ipob, u n omenkalives n ngeneukwenu no go gree us hear

sarrki:
We have heard

Baba is the commander in chief

God will heal him completely of what ever sickness

Anaemia of chronic illness. We know. Possibly there is already marrow infiltration n dyserythropoesis.

aribisala0:
I am sorry but you need to be clear. "Process" so is an X-ray a diagnosis? I am struggling. You said Anemia is NOT a diagnosis.
The World Health Organizaation says it is. In fact the WHO published a list of Diagnoses called the ICD 10 International Classification of Diseases-10 and Lists Anemia as a disease, including anemias of unknown aetiology

Now you say it is not a disease. How do you define disease??

A patient with renal failure can come down with Anemia. A patient suffering from Malaria can come down with Anemia. A patient suffering from malignancy can come down with Anemia. A malnourished patient can come down with anemia. A patient with any Chronic infection will definitely come down with anemia. Someone with trauma and burns can come down with anemia. Some drugs could Cause anemia... the list is endless.

As you can see, the anemia was caused by something. It didn't just occur by itself.. it is always secondary to..

It's like telling me someone was diagnosed with Fever. It doesn't make sense

kenedy175:


A patient with renal failure can come down with Anemia. A patient suffering from Malaria can come down with Anemia. A patient suffering from malignancy can come down with Anemia. A malnourished patient can come down with anemia. A patient with any Chronic infection will definitely come down with anemia. Someone with trauma and burns can come down with anemia. Some drugs could Cause anemia... the list is endless.

As you can see, the anemia was caused by something. It didn't just occur by itself.. it is always secondary to..

It's like telling me someone was diagnosed with Fever. It doesn't make sense

Rather than talking about what makes sense and offering proverbs. Please define the terms ,disease and diagnosi or do they not have definitions.

Science is no the place for proverbs

aribisala0:


Rather than talking about what makes sense and offering proverbs. Please define the terms ,disease and diagnosi or do they not have definitions.

Science is no the place for proverbs

Everything there is straight forward. You're the one trying to complicate things. If you are looking for definitions, get a dictionary and help yourself

[color=#770077][/color]cohn disease will prevent absorption of vitamin b12,which is a necessary factor for production of red blood cells,so in prolonged deficient state there could be anaemia

Caseless:
oh! But I also heard that it's an inflammatory disease of the intestine associated with ulcer .