achorladey:

If you had taken your time to think deep and hard on the relationship between '' usage of blood'' and the principles behind '' abstaining from blood'' you would have seen the reason behind David's refusal to drink the water recorded in 2 Samuel 23:17. Despite emphasis may have been stressed on blood of animals in Leviticus 17, David still took the little note of '' blood of any sort of flesh'' or blood of no kind of flesh'' in verse 10,14. No one need to tell David that '' blood of humans'' were not mentioned in Leviticus 17, he simply embraced the principle behind the law and applied it in his case. Same thing the JWs are doing today. They simply want to embrace the principles behind what blood is meant for from God's standpoint(atonement for sins).
Finally do you know the stance of the JWs concerning blood fractions as well? When you need answers about an organisation you go to through the direct channel not the critics that are bent on destructive reasonings.

Hairyrapunzel:


So for 66 years you are saying God allowed the wrong things to be preached. Hmmmmmm. Since it was nathan knorr that made the law by his own assessment the others died in error. Thank God you said eating animal flesh with its own blood not blood transfusion.

Hairyrapunzel:


TWO out of sixteen verses talking about animals meant for sacrifices. Like I said the life of humans is most important to God that is why God said do not kill humans. David's men didn't die in that case no blood was spilled. The life of David's men was important to him and he had to give thanks to God. That God spared their lives. Since there was no animal to give as sacrifice. He gave water in place of blood. It shows Blood is a symbol of life. A symbol will never take the place of the actual thing it represents. Blood symbol of life can never take the place of life itself. If a mere symbol can take the place of what it represents in your society then good for you. No symbol can take over my life or any christians life. Jesus death and ressurection has atoned for my sins and I don't need the blood of animals

Mathew 12:3-4 3Jesus replied, "Have you not read what David did when he and his companions were hungry?
4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for them to eat, but only for the priests.
David ate consecrated bread when he was hungry and this was unlawful under the mosaic law. If david had upheld that mosaic law he would have died of hunger.

What part or passage of the bible says we must worship God through a direct channel. The bible alone is supposed to be enough to answer anything according to you people. It must be bible that explains the part of blood fractions except it isn't there which I know it is not. I don't need a channel to explain the bible show me the verse in the bible. Always preaching what is not in the bible. Where in the bible did paul say blood fractions is now a conscience matter?

Rotflmao. What of autologous blood transfusion. No matter what stance blood is blood either is a full yes or a full no don't make anything a conscience matter. Why the double standards? Ever changing doctrine which keeps costing people their own life. Before 1999 blood fractions was not a conscience matter it was blood transfusion and was to be refused.

Stop giving excuses for the murder your organisation has been committing since 1945 and the mass genocide your jehovah will commit in armageddon. Say no to extremism lol

Hairyrapunzel:


When i die I will go to heaven.

I am talking about blood transfusion. The holy book never mentioned blood transfusion. I don't worship a God who will commit mass genocide because the people refused to join watchtower organisation. Apostle Paul didn't have any idea on what blood transfusion was. Your God loves mass genocide and you want a mass genocide. The hell fire is actually better than the mass genocide that is going to happen here on earth.

God or Jesus OR Paul never said abstain from blood transfusion. If you can accept autologous blood transfusion and blood fractions then blood transfusion is awesome and the best. Why the Double standard? No wonder Russia says they are extremists

Hairyrapunzel:


TWO out of sixteen verses talking about animals meant for sacrifices. Like I said the life of humans is most important to God that is why God said do not kill humans. David's men didn't die in that case no blood was spilled. The life of David's men was important to him and he had to give thanks to God. That God spared their lives. Since there was no animal to give as sacrifice. He gave water in place of blood. It shows Blood is a symbol of life. A symbol will never take the place of the actual thing it represents. Blood symbol of life can never take the place of life itself. If a mere symbol can take the place of what it represents in your society then good for you. No symbol can take over my life or any christians life. Jesus death and ressurection has atoned for my sins and I don't need the blood of animals

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Hairyrapunzel:


Yes Paul will accept blood transfusion. God is a merciful God. making his subjects die over a mosaic law which does not mean same thing as a medical procedure doesn't show him as merciful

Philipians 2:25-30 25But I thought it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother and fellow worker and fellow soldier, who is also your messenger and minister to my need; 26because he was longing for you all and was distressed because you had heard that he was sick. 27For indeed he was sick to the point of death, but God had mercy on him, and not on him only but also on me, so that I would not have sorrow upon sorrow. 28Therefore I have sent him all the more eagerly so that when you see him again you may rejoice and I may be less concerned about you. 29Receive him then in the Lord with all joy, and hold men like him in high regard; 30because he came close to death for the work of Christ, risking his life to complete what was deficient in your service to me.

1 Timothy 5:22- 23 22Do not be too quick in the laying on of hands and thereby share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure. 23Stop drinking only water and use a little wine instead, because of your stomach and your frequent ailments.

For Epaphroditus God graciously healed him. God had mercy on him the word there is mercy
For Timothy Paul gave him an advise. So Paul knows not everything was about healing a little lifestyle change or medical treatment can make you ok in some instances. Paul will ok a medical procedure like blood transfusion if it will make the person ok

At the end of the day they were alright. And the bible never said they refused anything Paul offered to make them well because they held on to one law. God's mercy and an advise took place in the healing of these two people

Hairyrapunzel:




Cosult the holy quran for bible truth hmmmmmmmmmm. Well I am not suprised watchtower teaches you to reason that way. You need the holy spirit to guide you to understand and know the bible very well. You need the holy spirit to learn about the bible

Hairyrapunzel:


So for 66 years you are saying God allowed the wrong things to be preached. Hmmmmmm. Since it was nathan knorr that made the law by his own assessment the others died in error. Thank God you said eating animal flesh with its own blood not blood transfusion.

Techcontrol:
PAULGRUNDY, YOU ARE DOING THE WORK OF DARKNESS, THERE IS ALWAYS A RIVALRY BE TWEEN EVIL AND GOOD SINCE SATAN REBELLED AGAINST GOD, AND YOU ARE IMITATING SATAN IN THAT SAME WORK, EVEN YOUR HATRED FOR THE TRUTH CANNOT AFFECT JEHOVAH'S STANDARDS AND HIS PEOPLE, YOU ARE FULL OF LIES AND BLASPHEMY JUST LIKE YOUR FATHER OF OLD.

Drehilton:
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You make it looks as if all that opted in to be transfussed get saved and survived.

Not all but most get saved

Can you serve in the army?
IF YES, when opportunity arises,would you kill to defend the honour of your country?...IF YES..
Can you die for and defending your country?
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Cornelius was in the army. David fought wars to defend his country. Jehovah is a god of war. The number of people God ordered isrealites to kill via war I cannot count. But your jehovah is supposed to end the world with armageddon. Why the hypocrisy?

Of course,many today in the force willingly surrender and die to defend their country in wars that is even created by their leaders,governor and presidents.They did not die as a result of upholding God's law.[i]BESIDES,there leaders cannot give them life again.[/i]YET,these ones are seen as heroes,as honorable.

When individuals try to abide to clear principles found in God's word Knowing fully well that even when he dies there is hope for resurrection.YOU CALLED THAT GENOCIDE.

It is genocide. Mass murder or slaughter of people not jehovahs witnesses ie about 99.9% more than the Holocaust sef.


If Jehovah's witness beliefs are all wrong based on the principle they follow in the bible.THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW THOSE THAT ARE DOING THINGS RIGHT BASED ON THE PRINCIPLE OF THE BIBLE and not man made philosophies.
These include other matters...birthdays,Christmas,Hellfire etc.
I have compared all doctrines and I can see that it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that are different.
THAT ALONE SHOULD MAKE YOU CURIOUS.

You just creat doctrines to make yourself look different you are not different from any dooms day cult. The amish and fundamentalist latter day saints are also different it should make you curious too. God never made a law telling people not to celebrate birthdays Christmas etc. Hellfire is actually written in the bible

Peacefullove:



His Logic is valid , for criticism of the bible ... a person can visit Muslim scholars that would point out various Contradiction in the bible and why the New testament is not valid , do that and you will have an objective view . Okay

Peacefullove:


Why would God allow Jesus , a young man of 33 years old to die ? according to you life first .

Peacefullove:


Blood of any sort of FLESH , humans are not flesh ?

Peacefullove:


you will rot in the grave man . stop deceiving urself with religion. Even Jesus didnt go to heaven immediately he died neither did Lazarus or Dorcas .

Lol. I will rot in the grave wow so much for a peaceful religion. I will go to heaven or do you have a problem with it if you do ask God. But your governing body members are going to heaven and will kill people beside Jesus in armageddon.


use your brain. man are not different from animals when it comes to death.
unless u gonna tell me Lion and snakes also go to heaven

If animals are the same with humans God would have okayed humans being used as food and for sacrifice. He would have also okayed not killing any animal. But lions and snakes are going to be in the new system your utopian paradise earth even pandas.


even your bible said it u aint different from animals regarding death , I forgot the verse.

My bible made a distinction Killing animals as food and use of thes animals for sacrifice. My bible also said man shall not commit murder. If your bible says you and animals ain't different regarding death. Then animals can go to heaven according to you. Since animals now enjoy same privileges as humans in your society



the holy book never mentioned trinity either, nor rapture does it , Neither does it mention Masturbation.

The holy book never mentions theocracy, publisher, auxiliary pioneer, regular pioneer, governing body, circuit overseer, presiding overseer, watchtower, turning in of number of hours spent on preaching, never mentions paradise earth. If you can use your own we can use ours. You are not different from other christians we invent and you invent too.


Hell fire is a sick invention of the Catholic church preached by gullible people like you . From dust u are and to Dust You ( You ) will Return says the Bible God, he lied ?

Always blaming catholic church. Stop the blame game. I am not gullible enough to die over something brought by another human being in 1945. But hell is a place where fire never goes out mark 9:43


I was forced to Research on the Jw belives on this your silly noise of blood fractions.

and here is the reasoning , Common knowledge tells you Blood is a combination of White Blood cells , Red blood cells , Platelets .

do white cells alone constitute blood ? so a person can reason that since Blood is when he takes the three combination that forms blood. but taking only a fraction doesnt constitute blood

Yet in a case where a person found that taking that also means he or she doesnt abstain , He is free to refuse such .

What fractions of strangled meat and fornication should we accept? Taking fraction is blood transfusion as far as it is gotten from blood of other people. So God said take fractions gotten from blood donated by wordly people but dont take or donate blood because you will die in armaggedon. Your jehovah sounds like a prick who has double standards.since plasma redblood cells platelets are gotten from only blood donated by wordly people it is blood. Hypocrites.


This guys are more Logical than any of you .

Because you people are deeply indoctrinated why won't they be logical to you. Is it not thesame thing. They sound very illogical so much fallacies in their reasoning. So much hypocrisy in this your religion.

shout from now till tomorrow , You are embracing BLOOD and not abstaining if u take transfusion.

I am embracing blood transfusion like you embracing blood fractions and autologous blood transfusion dear. If you like shout from now till armageddon you are embracing blood and not abstaining if you accept blood fractions and autologus blood transfusion thesame don't try to justify stupidity. Your jehovah allows things that he said you should avoid as long as you are in his organization it is different. Such an asshole of a God and a sadist. I am not suprised a God that will kill 99.9% of humans because they refused to pay allegiance to watchtower organisation. Smh

Hairyrapunzel:


Smh. A muslim scholar to review your bible. Lol. You guys don't understand simple logic smh

Hairyrapunzel:


Argument from silence. Jesus had a purpose here on earth he fu filled his purpose. We are not jesus. It is life first only a psychopath will say a symbol takes more place than life itself. How are you people different from ISIS sef

Jesus healed someone on sabbath day which was unlawful to do. Moses ate consecrated bread which was unlawful. Life first no symbol takes the place of life. If a symbol of blood will have more value than life for you then good for you. I don't know of anybody in the new Testament that died or let his child die in order to uphold a mosaic law. Jesus had contact with a prostitute why didn't he stone her to death according to the mosaic law?

If God wanted us to kill our self to uphold any mosaic law after Jesus died for our sins he would have said so. Abi bible is not enough again? Or show me a passage where God said an organisation will tell you what I did not say in the bible?

Hairyrapunzel:


Humans are not flesh required for sacrifice or food

But hell is a place where fire never goes out mark 9:43

achorladey:

Tell me where in the Bible that says from God's standpoint(regarding blood usage) blood transfusion is acceptable?
Concerning David and his men eating consecrated bread......because you failed still in appreciating principles behind God's laws you were unable to discern that David and his men still met the conditions regarding eating of the consecrated bread. What you should have inquired is, in what sense were they breaking the law according to Jesus Christ words in Matthew. Ponder over that!!!!
EXTREMISM....... belief in and support for ideas that are very far from what most people consider correct or reasonable. For example, If an individual decides to deviate from '' popular beliefs that people consider correct or reasonable'' in line with God's word in Exodus 23:2, Leviticus 17:10, 11,14 Read and meditate before you reply. Will you consider the '' individual'' an ''extremist'' for deciding to uphold God's viewpoint?

Peacefullove:



requirement is not an issue here, are humans Flesh ? Yes!

Thank God you know there is a Requirement. Requirement is an issue here cause bible said so. I did not invent it. It is written in the bible. I believe in the bible not your words. Keep justifying your narcissistic and antisocial personality disorder combined


i cant stop laughing ooo, na wa for religion

At least No religion has a right over my medical treatment. Religion has turned people into committing sucide all in the name to uphold one law which the bible never states.

" And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. " says Mark 9:43

At least in your bible to go to hell is likened as going to unquenchable fire. Grave wasn't mentioned in the verse. You manufactured grave in that sentence or is the grave in your head?

abeg bro, Do the bolded go to Hell or Grave? or is Jesus lying here ?

Peacefullove:


But God could allow Jesus to die just to do his will right ? at a point a disciple ask Jesus to protect his life first and he rebuked him insisting he must surrender it, so what exactly is your problem if a person wish to surrender his life to uphold a single instruction " Abstain from blood " .

Peacefullove:


You well know a muslim Scholar or websites will never say anything good about the religious Bible especially the New testament . So people like you Run from such sites or dismiss their arguments So I don't blame it if an Organization also warns it members from visiting sites that would never say anything good about them.


If they knock on my door, I would still prefer to listen to the JW's than all this other Die by fire , Trinity and hellfire preachers

Hairyrapunzel:


Tell me where from God's not watchtower standpoint blood transfusion is unacceptable? David was not supposed to eat consecrated bread. Yes he met a criteria according to him.but he did not meet one criteria. Jesus showed an instance where it isnt any mosaic law that justifies someone being saved. Peoples life matter. Do you shave your beards, do you eat pork, bacon, ham they are unlawful according to mosaic law. Why do you do these things when the mosaic laws state you shouldn't.

Matt 12:3-8
3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

Jesus desires mercy not sacrifice. Life first

Extremism that means Isis is right if you are right. They are upholding their God's law. You know one funny thing when you people want to argue your doctrine you bring out old Testament verses. But yet you say you are Christians. Ex 23:2 never said we should die or let our children die to uphold a mosaic law. Don't just take a verse from a chapter. You will interprete it out of the context in which it is used. That chapter wasn't talking about a doctrine.it was about laws of justice and mercy. Don't leave out other verses and take just one to explain your doctrine. I still didn't see where they say kill yourself or your child to uphold a mosaic law. Read the whole chapter. An extremist is one who says he is upholding God's viewpoint when he kills himself or let's his child die due to a man made law example blood transfusion ban made in 1945 by nathan knorr. Ex 23 is about fair hearing giving everyone equal chance. Not being bias in judgement.

Isis they say they are upholding their God's viewpoint too. They deviate from popular teachings.

achorladey:

Please remind of what part of God's law that those you talked about uphold?
What makes the law found in Leviticus 17:10,11,14 as regards usage of blood different from the principles of law regarding abstaining from blood in Acts 15:29 makes Exodus 23:2 invalid( not following the crowd for evil ends). Does Jesus yearn for mercy calls for reckless abandon of the law? Just asking? You tagged mosaic laws as if it's made by humans, the laws found in the Hebrew scriptures and those contained in the scriptures were they not from same source? That you as a Christian shun adultery and other vices stems from where?

achorladey:

Please remind of what part of God's law that those you talked about uphold?
What makes the law found in Leviticus 17:10,11,14 as regards usage of blood different from the principles of law regarding abstaining from blood in Acts 15:29 makes Exodus 23:2 invalid( not following the crowd for evil ends). Does Jesus yearn for mercy calls for reckless abandon of the law? Just asking? You tagged mosaic laws as if it's made by humans, the laws found in the Hebrew scriptures and those contained in the scriptures were they not from same source? That you as a Christian shun adultery and other vices stems from where?

Hairyrapunzel:


At least in your bible to go to hell is likened as going to unquenchable fire. Grave wasn't mentioned in the verse. You manufactured grave in that sentence or is the grave in your head?

Hairyrapunzel:


How ex 23:2 related to doctrine. I have told you that that chapter was talking about mercy and justice. How is accepting blood transfusion evil ends? You think you are different from other religions? Wait till you see the amiss. Jesus never said we should abstain from blood transfusion nathan knorr said so in 1945. There is nothing like reckless abandon of laws here. Yes Jesus mercy calls for aband on of certain mosaic laws. Like christians now eat pork, some are uncircumcised, christians shave beards we eat fat in meat we don't do animal sacrifices any more so many things we don't . do do you celebrate feast of terbanacles, weeks, unleavened bread?

Mercy. There is something called grace. No religious doctrine should make humans loose their lives. In the new Testament jesus followers never killed themselves because they were holding on to a doctrine please name one

If your God accepts human sacrifice even after Jesus Christ then he is a prick an asshole, a sadist

Hairyrapunzel:


The law on leveticus concerns animals used as food and for sacrifice. I don't think the old testament said anything about humans used as food and sacrifice. Infact if you kill a human then there was a repercussion.

Leveticus and Paul where talking about animal blood used as food or for sacrifice not blood transfusion

You just trying to shift blame to God for the murder committed by your organisation.

Infact according to mosaic law you should be stoned to death if you disobey certain mosaic laws. Stoning to death should still be used right cos you love justice.

Jesus preached mercy. I follow jesus. At least not Jesus follower preached die or let your children die to uphold a mosaic law. There is something called grace

Hairyrapunzel:


Tell me where from God's not watchtower standpoint blood transfusion is unacceptable? David was not supposed to eat consecrated bread. Yes he met a criteria according to him.but he did not meet one criteria. Jesus showed an instance where it isnt any mosaic law that justifies someone being saved. Peoples life matter. Do you shave your beards, do you eat pork, bacon, ham they are unlawful according to mosaic law. Why do you do these things when the mosaic laws state you shouldn't.

Matt 12:3-8
3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

Jesus desires mercy not sacrifice. Life first

Extremism that means Isis is right if you are right. They are upholding their God's law. You know one funny thing when you people want to argue your doctrine you bring out old Testament verses. But yet you say you are Christians. Ex 23:2 never said we should die or let our children die to uphold a mosaic law. Don't just take a verse from a chapter. You will interprete it out of the context in which it is used. That chapter wasn't talking about a doctrine.it was about laws of justice and mercy. Don't leave out other verses and take just one to explain your doctrine. I still didn't see where they say kill yourself or your child to uphold a mosaic law. Read the whole chapter. An extremist is one who says he is upholding God's viewpoint when he kills himself or let's his child die due to a man made law example blood transfusion ban made in 1945 by nathan knorr. Ex 23 is about fair hearing giving everyone equal chance. Not being bias in judgement.

Isis they say they are upholding their God's viewpoint too. They deviate from popular teachings.

paulGrundy:


Which truth my friend? “Truth” that gives false predictions and has never got one correct? “Truth” that is confused, misquotes sources, and persistently lies about her history. Open your eyes and see bro, Jehovah does not direct the society, just some greedy group of governing bunch after profit.

pls kindly point out the LIES in my posts.

Techcontrol:

YET ANOTHER LIE! JEHOVAHS PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO FOLLOW JUST WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES AND THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENT IF NEED BE, BUT YOUR SO-CALLED RELIGIOUS TEACHERS WILL NEVER CHANGE THE FALSE TEACHINGS AND PAGAN CELEBRATIONS YOU INVOLVE YOURSELVES

BUT THE WITNESSES DO NOT EXTORT PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF TITHES, THEY DO NOT SELL RELIGIOUS BOOKS, THEY DO NOT FORCE ANYONE TO LISTEN TO THE BIBLE BASED MESSAGE THEY PREACH

-------- SO ANSWER ME, IN WHAT WAY IS THE GOVERNING BODY OF THESE PEOPLE AFTER THEIR OWN MATERIAL NEED? WELL TO ME, I WILL RATHER FOLLOW THOSE WHO ARE 80% FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST THAN THOSE WHO ARE 40% FOLLOWERS, BECAUSE JESUS SAID "BY THEIR FRUIT YOU WILL KNOW THEM" .

achorladey:

Tell me where from God's standpoint that states abstaining from blood including blood transfusion is unacceptable? That settles it.