Seun:

Religion says that God is loving, kind, just, merciful, etc. Elementary logic shows that this can't be true. Religion says that the universe was created in 7 days. Science shows that this is comically inaccurate. Why should we believe this same source when it says that God exists?


If God existed, and wanted us to obey him, he would have made us naturally eager to obey him, like robots and German Shepherd Dogs. He would also have made his existence more easy to verify. A God who wanted universal obedience would not pretend that he does not exist.

My religion says that God is both merciful and also a consuming fire. It also says dat God shows mercy to whom he chooses to show mercy to.
Science can never ever prove d origin of life itself because it is beyond human imagination, meaning dat its d work of a supernatural being. Remember d only thing dat supersedes all physical laws is life and that flaws the big bang theory because even if life emanated from an inanimate substance then it must also be counted as a miracle.
On our relationship with God, let me ask u wud u want to marry someone who is programmed to love u even without her having any other choice or wud u want someone whom even though she has a million choices but still choose to love u.

Christianity is built on Love for God and God commands total love. How wud we call it love wen we are just programmed to obey without a choice?

pepemendy:
all I can see is scammers using gods name for cover up especially does thieves pastors and Imam examples like david oyedepo, E A adeboye, alfa buhari omo Musa, how can one person have so much and others don't have nothing and this foolish gods keep watching them getting richer with church offerings, the problem is that day don't even give back to the society talkless of charity, no offence my opinion

Religion itself, is a fraud. How?; Religion is a fraud because it keeps you thinking that someone is going to save you, when the helping hand that you’re looking for is at the end of your own arm. Religion is a fraud because it has you believing that you can’t have anything of worth until after you die, when all you have to do is work for it. Religion is a fraud because it condones people turning into bums, dropouts and failures of society, when a steady income could solve most of your problems.

pepemendy:
all I can see is scammers using gods name for cover up especially does thieves pastors and Imam examples like david oyedepo, E A adeboye, alfa buhari omo Musa, how can one person have so much and others don't have nothing and this foolish gods keep watching them getting richer with church offerings, the problem is that day don't even give back to the society talkless of charity, no offence my opinion

you see, you start getting it wrong the moment you take your focus off Jesus and His Gospel and put it on man. Or try to make an imperfect man(imperfect because of the body) your standard for measuring God.

Secondly, most people really misunderstand what is meant by God being Sovereign. That's why you hear people saying, " how can a good God allow evil to continue in the world?" The thing is, God will not interfere with your human will; Even though He would prefer you to act rightly. that's one of the reasons why we have the Holy Spirit. But your choices are entirely up to you. And when you stand before the Father and he asked you about why you didn't allow his spirit lead on to live right, you'll have to answer. We will all answer.

Let's stop blamiy God for our irresponsibilities and let's stop reducing God to what our perception is towards his servants.

If you care for me to be elaborate, do let me know.

Horus:


Religion itself, is a fraud. How?; Religion is a fraud because it keeps you thinking that someone is going to save you, when the helping hand that you’re looking for is at the end of your own arm. Religion is a fraud because it has you believing that you can’t have anything of worth until after you die, when all you have to do is work for it. Religion is a fraud because it condones people turning into bums, dropouts and failures of society, when a steady income could solve most of your problems.

i don't know what you knowknow about religion, or what you think religion is; but I know you know absolutely nothing about Christianity!

eternalcity:
i don't know what you knowknow about religion, or what you think religion is; but I know you know absolutely nothing about Christianity!

Christianity is for dropouts and failures like yourself

Horus:


Christianity is for dropouts and failures like yourself

wow! I didn't know you have an all seeing eye to know that I am a dropout and failure. Well, if that is what being a Christian makes me, then I am proud of it.

But I tell you the truth, you can act as smart as you want to, and try to give yourself reasons to reject God, but this I know; in the heart of everyman is a longing for worship ( that's one of the reasons self acclaimed smart guys are atheist they keep giving themselves reasons to reject that longing on their inside)

But even you, cannot prove that God doesn't exist with all your "knowledge" or can you?

Finally, accept it or not, there is no way you can truly succeed as you should outside of God. Unless if you ofcouse wants to settle for less.

eternalcity:
wow! I didn't know you have an all seeing eye to know that I am a dropout and failure. Well, if that is what being a Christian makes me, then I am proud of it.

But I tell you the truth, you can act as smart as you want to, and try to give yourself reasons to reject God, but this I know; in the heart of everyman is a longing for worship ( that's one of the reasons self acclaimed smart guys are atheist they keep giving themselves reasons to reject that longing on their inside)

But even you, cannot prove that God doesn't exist with all your "knowledge" or can you?

Finally, accept it or not, there is no way you can truly succeed as you should outside of God. Unless if you ofcouse wants to settle for less.

You just demonstrated that Christianity is a scam. According to you, your "god" is confined inside the limit of a religion called Christianity

Your god never created religion, he never created Christianity

We are to study God's Word and learn his nature. Not to idolize a mortal man. The problem most times, Is we see some humans as God in our lives. Look unto Jesus the author and the finisher of your faith. Every man's work shall be tested. That is what the Bible said.

pepemendy:
all I can see is scammers using gods name for cover up especially does thieves pastors and Imam examples like david oyedepo, E A adeboye, alfa buhari omo Musa, how can one person have so much and others don't have nothing and this foolish gods keep watching them getting richer with church offerings, the problem is that day don't even give back to the society talkless of charity, no offence my opinion

U need Jesus in your life.

missdivineprove:
We are to study God's Word and learn his nature. Not to idolize a mortal man. The problem most times, is we see some humans as God in our lives. Look unto Jesus the author and the finisher of your faith.

What you're advising him against is precisely what early Christians did when they started Christianity. They idolized Jesus and saw him as God.

Horus:


You just demonstrated that Christianity is a scam. According to you, your "god" is confined inside the limit of a religion called Christianity

Your god never created religion, he never created Christianity

i love pragmatic people whether they believe in my faith or not. As long as they open for a sincere discuss. But you, you are just to full of yourself: declaring to be wise you expose your ignorance the more. You have no argument for now. When you do and are ready for genuine conversation, do let me know.

By the way, in an argument, you should have your facts and points. You don't depend on your opponent's statement to make your point. But I am not arguing with you sha.

Seun:

What you're advising him against is precisely what early Christians did when they started Christianity. They idolized Jesus and saw him as God.

there is nothing like "idolizing Jesus as God" Jesus is indeed God. It may be too hard for you to understand because your judgement is restricted to logic and tour five senses. Which sadly, is very very limited.

eternalcity:
there is nothing like "idolizing Jesus as God" Jesus is indeed God. It may be too hard for you to understand because your judgement is restricted to logic and tour five senses. Which sadly, is very very limited.

Can you please elaborate on the boldened text....

zionmade:
My religion says that God is both merciful and also a consuming fire. It also says dat God shows mercy to whom he chooses to show mercy to.

The same can be said about most bad people in the real world. Hitler was 'merciful' to Germans and dogs but he was a total devil to the Jews. Most drug lords are protective and loving to their children but will destroy strangers who stand in their way. Why is God not better than them?

On our relationship with God, let me ask u wud u want to marry someone who is programmed to love u even without her having any other choice or wud u want someone whom even though she has a million choices but still choose to love u.

Yes, I would rather marry a robot than marry a woman who must be threatened with an eternity of being burnt alive to convince her to love me.

adepeter26:

Can you please elaborate on the boldened text....

I am a Christian and I believe in the Bible as the Word of God. And my statements shall be based on what the Scriptures says if you don't mind?

eternalcity:
I am a Christian and I believe in the Bible as the Word of God. And my statements shall be based on what the Scriptures says if you don't mind?

I know you're a Christian, that's the main reason why I quoted ya posted so you could elaborate further

Seun:

The same can be said about most bad people in the real world. Hitler was 'merciful' to Germans and dogs but he was a total devil to the Jews. Most drug lords are protective and loving to their children but will destroy strangers who stand in their way. Why is God not better than them?


Yes, I would rather marry a robot than marry a woman who must be threatened with an eternity of being burnt alive to convince her to love me.

I checked on u bro. U were born into a Christian home. Something must have made u an atheist. I mean something strong, would u mind sharing wat that thing is at least so that others can learn.
We can argue from now till eternity i cant logically defeat u because Christianity is nothing logical at all. But trust me one day something will happen (not praying for something bad) and just like saul who was a persecutor of Christianity became d fore runner of Christianity, u will see light and u will be back.
Wen i call d names of people like u in prayer, its not because of anything but dat d fact dat ur influence will be very important for d propagation of d gospel

Seun:

Religion says that God is loving, kind, just, merciful, etc. Elementary logic shows that this can't be true. Religion says that the universe was created in 7 days. Science shows that this is comically inaccurate. Why should we believe this same source when it says that God exists?


If God existed, and wanted us to obey him, he would have made us naturally eager to obey him, like robots and German Shepherd Dogs. He would also have made his existence more easy to verify. A God who wanted universal obedience would not pretend that he does not exist.

classic atheistic argument.
You people have a very skewed idea about God's character or qualities. You judge God with man's standard; forgetting that God is infinite and man is finite. Even the whole "concept of God" should inspire you to look above man in order to have an idea of what God may be like. But you must know that the things of the Father, is not like that of a man.

Religion is man's concept and idea of how to reach out to God. God is not religious. He is a Father that yearns for a relationship with his children.

Do you also know that before men like Charles Lyell( who was crux with the idea of science having a biblical origin) previously, science itself accepted the Biblical account of creation. Do you know that dating method can actually tell you the exact age of an organism. That it is purely out of assumption? Do you know that even scientists don't accept thta evolution mumbo-jumbo anymore? Do you also know that the Earth's magnetic field is decreasing steadily and according to scientist, with the constant state of decrease, there is no way this earth would have survived more than 12,000 years? We can go on and on on evolution. How it is even against laws of thermodynamics etc.

God would not interfere with your free will. He created a family: not slaves or robots. How would you feel if your father wants to remote control you? God is not looking for servants but to reconnect with his Children that got separated from him due to sin. That's why Jesus came. But the Father prefers you to come into this relationship by choice not by force. When you do things by choice, you do it wholeheartedly. This is why Christianity is a relationship with God as taught by God the Word himself. Not religion which is man's means and concepts. God is a God of order! He doesn't force himself on you. He ministers to your heart by his Spirit and shows you the truth. But it is up to you to either accept or reject it. But at the end, every man will be accountable for his choices.

In the heart of every man is a witness: his spirit witnesses to him about God. Infact, it is the refusal of man to accept this witnss that have rise to atheism. Even you Seun can't deny that you have never thought of the possibility of the existence of God. If you haven't thought of it, then you wouldn't have fought and given yourself reason to deny his existence.

There is what is called intuition in the Spirit of every man. And the ultimate desire of every man is to worship( God put that desire in us all) but so many people have deliberately drown that voice by rejecting it constantly.

You cannot deny that you haven't had a point where while you were quiet, your heart began to feel uncomfortable and inquisitive about God. Whether recently or in the past.

eternalcity:
wow! I didn't know you have an all seeing eye to know that I am a dropout and failure. Well, if that is what being a Christian makes me, then I am proud of it.

But I tell you the truth, you can act as smart as you want to, and try to give yourself reasons to reject God, but this I know; in the heart of everyman is a longing for worship ( that's one of the reasons self acclaimed smart guys are atheist they keep giving themselves reasons to reject that longing on their inside)

But even you, cannot prove that God doesn't exist with all your "knowledge" or can you?

Finally, accept it or not, there is no way you can truly succeed as you should outside of God. Unless if you ofcouse wants to settle for less.

The bolder is false to it's letters. I only used to feel that way when I was ignorant and still in bondage of religious indoctrination. Once you are free from the shackle of religious dogmatism and bondage. You will feel free indeed. I don't feel any iota of desire to pray or worship, not even a bit. infact it disgust me to even want to act or pretend to still be in the faith. Im now at peace with myself and nature and i view life more logically, as I see myself as the sole actor of the world drama. I no longer live in fear at all...

I actually feel like literally gaining freedom from the prison I've been locked in all my life.
Thats exactly how I feel. Now I appreciate life more

zionmade:
I checked on u bro. U were born into a Christian home. Something must have made u an atheist.

Yes, I stopped assuming that God exists and the bible is his book. I decided to base my beliefs on evidence and logic. That made me an atheist.

We can argue from now till eternity I can't logically defeat u because Christianity is nothing logical at all.

Things that are right tend to be logical. Things that are wrong tend to be illogical. Is it likely that your religion is the only exception to this rule?

What I have discovered about these religious people is, when they pray or are deep in prayer and they enter a state of the mind (meditative state of mind) I choose to call the "limbo mode" for lack of better word. They experience some level of spiritual ecstasy of the illuminated light of the universe and often time converse with higher powers who they tag as God or holy spirit without actually knowing the source to which their spirit communes with. that in itself is open avenue for possible deception. Both Christians, Muslims and many religious belief system have different rituals or way of "worship that takes them to this state of mind.
From experience I've come to realise that in the realm of the spirit, it's like a journey, you can take a few kilometre distance into the realm and gather little knowledge and conclude you've finally unvailed the mystery of life or met with the Creator of the whole universe, when in real sense you've not even gotten to one quota of the journey it requires to explore deeper mysteries and findings.
I've also come to term with the fact that in this realm, you create your own reality with your belief system or indoctrination. if you are a believer in heaven and hell and angels/demons, you tend to see, feel or hear their presence. if you are a scientist or an explorer who is all about seeking knowledge, you might come across an alien like creature or a voice giving you insights into scientists findings or even give you even give you a breakthrough into a new invention.
And also, you don't need to be religious to get to this realm (state of mind), if you can medicate regularly, a continues practice will land you there. Unlike the religious folks, especially the Christians who think only they have the access to this realm of ecstatic feelings (together with God aka onewithgod kind of feeling) most believers feel and get addicted to and call it "A relationship with God".
These are just misunderstanding of "spiritual realm" where garbage in results to garbage out. And little wonder you see different indoctrinations and doctrines, beliefs system and practices. Inconsistencies, failed miracles, failed prophecies and lots of short-comings.

If religion and it's ways were consistent and reliable, scientific society would have seen it as worthy of being researched on. in fact religion would have become the backbone of scientific findings.

Just the plain truth!

MrPRevailer:
Jesus is the only way. Yes, 99% religons are scams because they are works of Satan the deceiver who wants all Humanity to persih with him. But don't. Come and build a solid foundation in Jesus Christ @ The Lord's Chosen.


PLEASE DON'T MISS HEAVEN. THE NEW LIFE.

I Do hope Jesus wins o, cos this Allah guy doesn't leave anything for his enemies, scary AF

eternalcity:
i love pragmatic people whether they believe in my faith or not. As long as they open for a sincere discuss. But you, you are just to full of yourself: declaring to be wise you expose your ignorance the more. You have no argument for now. When you do and are ready for genuine conversation, do let me know.

By the way, in an argument, you should have your facts and points. You don't depend on your opponent's statement to make your point. But I am not arguing with you sha.

I was not arguing, and I am not interested in little ego games because I see no one as an opponent

Christianity is when you started failing and you need hope, and life is full of hope

Seun:

Yes, I stopped assuming that God exists and the bible is his book. I decided to base my beliefs on evidence and logic. That made me an atheist.


Things that are right tend to be logical. Things that are wrong tend to be illogical. Is it likely that your religion is the only exception to this rule?

Nothing spiritual is logical. Think about creation and beginning of d world. Is there anything logical about it? Anyway bro its well.

I thought somebody was going to elaborate this statement "JESUS IS GOD"

Wetin happen? ABI the bible done change again

joe4christ:


The bolder is false to it's letters. I only used to feel that way when I was ignorant and still in bondage of religious indoctrination. Once you are free from the shackle of religious dogmatism and bondage. You will feel free indeed. I don't feel any iota of desire to pray or worship, not even a bit. infact it disgust me to even want to act or pretend to still be in the faith. Im now at peace with myself and nature and i view life more logically, as I see myself as the sole actor of the world drama. I no longer live in fear at all...

I actually feel like literally gaining freedom from the prison I've been locked in all my life.
Thats exactly how I feel. Now I appreciate life more

Religion is a prison. You said it yourself that there was a time when you felt that way. But now, you have given yourself enough reason to think otherwise and so you are no longer conscious of that tug in your spirit towards God. You may choose to deny it, doesn't make it non-existent. Just suppressed.

Why not take this challenge and see? Stay quiet this night. Put every distraction from you and allow your heart roam freely; pondering about what life really is about. Let's see if it doesn't tend towards God, purpose and eternity.

zionmade:

My religion says that God is both merciful and also a consuming fire. It also says dat God shows mercy to whom he chooses to show mercy to.

Ya, your religion said a lot of meaningless things about God. It analyzed your God like a married bachelor.

He show mercy to whom he choses yet he gave those he decides not to show mercy to that ability to feel hurt and pain because of his purposeful lack of attention.

Who even worships such a confused being?

Science can never ever prove d origin of life itself because it is beyond human imagination, meaning dat its d work of a supernatural being. Remember d only thing dat supersedes all physical laws is life and that flaws the big bang theory because even if life emanated from an inanimate substance then it must also be counted as a miracle.

If the origin of life is beyond human imagination, then that's just what it is...

If you bring in a God to be the creator how does this answer the question of the origin of life? And if you are asked about this God, you will still say he is beyond human imagination?

Accept it, bringing God or not does not explain the origin of life.

On our relationship with God, let me ask u wud u want to marry someone who is programmed to love u even without her having any other choice or wud u want someone whom even though she has a million choices but still choose to love u.

This is how u guys make nonsense of your God after calling him omini everything, you still bring him to human level by comparing him with us.

If i have a girl friend, am i her creator? Because she is my girlfriend does it make me her creator? Are we not no the same level trying to manipulate ourselves?
How can God create us and want us to treat him like we would treat our girlfriends?
Biko if your God is an ordinary humans pls tell us. Tell him to grow up, it's time he starts acting like a God he is supposed to be, not begging for love like someone with low self-esteem.

Christianity is built on Love for God and God commands total love. How wud we call it love wen we are just programmed to obey without a choice?

The bigger question is ,how would we love it when we don't fuckinggg know what, where and who he is. How can we love a so called almighty creator who only choses to live in our imagination?

Seun:

Yes, I stopped assuming that God exists and the bible is his book. I decided to base my beliefs on evidence and logic. That made me an atheist.


Things that are right tend to be logical. Things that are wrong tend to be illogical. Is it likely that your religion is the only exception to this rule?

Sorry to butt in here, but I got this wonderful response from a commenter on skyscrapercity. Quite apt, I believe.

The discussion was about why, a religious statue (photo attached) in Imo state had caucasian features and not that of the local population. Interesting responses








http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=139265871#post139265871

frank317:

Ya, your religion said a lot of meaningless things about God. It analyzed your God like a married bachelor.

He show mercy to whom he choses yet he gave those he decides not to show mercy to that ability to feel hurt and pain because of his purposeful lack of attention.

Who even worships such a confused being?


If the origin of life is beyond human imagination, then that's just what it is...

If you bring in a God to be the creator how does this answer the question of the origin of life? And if you are asked about this God, you will still say he is beyond human imagination?

Accept it, bringing God or not does not explain the origin of life.


This is how u guys make nonsense of your God after calling him omini everything, you still bring him to human level by comparing him with us.

If i have a girl friend, am i her creator? Because she is my girlfriend does it make me her creator? Are we not no the same level trying to manipulate ourselves?
How can God create us and want us to treat him like we would treat our girlfriends?
Biko if your God is an ordinary humans pls tell us. Tell him to grow up, it's time he starts acting like a God he is supposed to be, not begging for love like someone with low self-esteem.



The bigger question is ,how would we love it when we don't fuckinggg know what, where and who he is. How can we love a so called almighty creator who only choses to live in our imagination?

I dnt think i have any business wit a rascal who doesnt know how to choose at least decent words wen expressing himself
U sound like a drunkard or rather a tout. And if u re frustrated find wat is frustrating ur life and deal wit it.

luvmijeje:

You this guy, is like you wan quench on top my matter. If you don't have a cogent point to raise don't quote my name.

U sound pained

zionmade:

I dnt think i have any business wit a rascal who doesnt know how to choose at least decent words wen expressing himself
U sound like a drunkard or rather a tout. And if u re frustrated find wat is frustrating ur life and deal wit it.

Shame on you... You believe in an imaginary being... We have been here all day, helping you come out if your delusion and the next thing you call me is frustrated.

I have read your interactions with other athesits and they have been consistently called you mumu and dumb, but you didn't react (maybe that's what u believe u are)

Did i insult you in my post? Yet you quickly call me frustrated and drunk? Show me where i called you names... What warrants you to call me a rascal... Or did just actually see that i made nonsense of your God and your belief?