I just read Farouk Abdul Mutallab,disowned his father by text and said he was going to be a martyr.

Knowing that conversion to christianity can be equally abhorrent to muslims. . .  which would you prefer if given the choice?

martyr,with 72 virgins in tow

hymen: you want to be the mother of the child? start from there!

listen, a child who has no honor does not belong to me. the parents who cant discipline their child or children failed. neither ill ever happen to me.

now a martyr does not mean he must die young, or it should be that he kills himself/herself along with killing innocent people.

a martyr is a person who dies on just cause, not going out to die but dies in the process. so from the point of physical struggle, it does not have to involve suicide or the killing of non combatant.

martyr to me can be a person who dies in his sleep on his bed wtout any war (ha'rb). struggle is to struggle against evil. those who give in to evil are not people of Jihad, and those who kill themselves and or innocent people cant be martyr. Islam is complex, and what I know of it, I see all these people saying that they are struggling as not truly struggling as Islam defines struggle.

The greatest struggle is resisting evil within yourself. Making sure that you spread peace instead of discourse, rancor, division. Then you are patient, practicing patience.


Sisi, become Muslim first and then talk to me.

inshaAllah, i will not produce christian. it is as if i produce a jew. both from the people of the book.

or like producing a hindu, or onishango, or an aborisha.

You haven't answered. . . . if you were to choose between a martyr in the mould of Brother Farouk or your son becoming a christian.

I'll consider islam once you answer.

neither. i answered even in my first entry. why would i want either of what lead to jahanam [hell]. a christian will end up in hell. a killer of self, and or innocent soul[s] will end up in hell.

by the way, i am inviting you to islam. you first. then you will bring your entire family into it.

the name abdulmutallab is a horrible name. an unislam name, because it has nothing to do with Allah God Almighty.

wise answer!

The poster bad o!

I laugh whenever I read from olabowale. . .especially when he boasts about converting his igbo ex-christian lawyer wife to Islam as if its some kind of achievement,also mentions Mr Williams in ijebuode converting to ISLAM with his daughter 

Hello !-People convert to Islam daily,people convert to christianity daily,ditto for hinduism,buddhism. . .even more people convert from all religions to atheism of some form so this isn't news  

Secondly you seem to have this funny view that the world is all in black & white (us against them) believers against unbelievers ,Islam vs kafirs. . .wel im sorry to disappoint you,the world is actually in shades of grey. .  no matter how much you try to convince yourself otherwise,there are many things none of us can authoritatively explain.

You are convinced you are a true muslim,but by Osama Bin Hiding's standard you're not(e.g you have a kafir as a partner,you are relating with people bound for hell  ),tho' you may be strongly  convinced otherwise,similarly we had one Ahmaddiya guy on NL sometime ago,some felt he isn't a muslim (hence he's part of the kafirs) but he feels otherwise. so where do we put him. black or white

What about someone who says lahilahilala. . . .,but doesn't pray regularly,fast(during ramadan),sleeps around once in a while,is he a muslim or part of the kafirs? Or someone born into a christian family goes to mosque,reads koran,but also believes in Jesus?black or white?

Shias  believe they are on the right path,but you are not. . . so in essence ,never claim to have all the knowledge. . . stop talking authoritatively as if you are God himself. . .Yorubas have a saying 'Olorun lo mo eni tio sin oun.(only God knows who is actually worshipping him).

The same applies to Christians, non-catholics feel catholics are worshipping the Queen of Coast in some kind of conspiracy, the catholics think otherwise etc.

Its  strange people think God would create humans ,give them a will to choose their religious beliefs and then punish them for exercising that will.
In essence , please stick to what you know, don’t ‘fill-in-the gaps’, I’m sure there would only be muslims in the world if God wanted it that way  ditto for Christianity.

Since you didn’t create heaven or hell, you aren’t qualified to determine who will go to heaven or hell(orun apaadi). . . its this kind of ‘I’m very certain of my point of view’ that will lead someone to genuinely believe he is doing his God’s will by killing other people and himself on a plane.

I hope with this few words of mine,I have been able to convince you beyond any reasonable doubt

Jiarzinho, am not boasting about anything! I simply mention these people so that you disbelievers know that people I know, by Allah are leaving disbelief! And where is the shade of grey(s) between belief and disbelief? Silly Jairzinho, you think 99.999% is 100%? Disbelief simply means anyone who has consciously disagreed with Quran and or the Ahadith. The Ahmadiyyan who says there is a prophet or messenger after Muhammad and or says Jesus is dead in India, etc, these are proofs of his disbelief. The Shiah who says that Ashura is for Hussaine (ra) and not in honor of the fasting acts and remembrance of Musa (as). Look man, am grateful for the changes in the lives of those I know. There are others who am still working on. Allah will soften their hearts.

You forgot that there are Jews, in addition to Christians, Hindu, etc in "disbelief"? True Islam is what is belief. The others are disbelief, and hypocrasy. What are you saying? Is there a third place apart from Paradise and Hell? Please tell me what that place is, and then maybe your greys can even be paid any attention, ditto fallacy!

olabowale:

Disbelief simply means anyone who has consciously disagreed with Quran and or the Ahadith.  True Islam is what is belief. The others are disbelief, and hypocrasy. What are you saying? Is there a third place apart from Paradise and Hell? Please tell me what that place is, and then maybe your greys can even be paid any attention, ditto fallacy!

Is true Islam just about agreeing with the Q'uran &Hadiths or following the instructions therein to the letter? Does the family of the Prophet have any relevance in Islam?

@Jairzinho: « #9 on: Today at 09:23:43 AM »

Is true Islam just about agreeing with the Q'uran &Hadiths or following the instructions therein to the letter?

Not just. Islam is believing, acting in full weight of What the Quran and Authentic Hadith/Sunnah say. It is exactly to the letter, for you cant add or remove a single letter and come to tell anyone that you have recited the Quran. It is exactly to the Spirit, for what is clear is clear, then, now and in the future. Islam is what Islam is; it has two parts; Quran and its exegesis; Hadith/Sunnah. Unlike the other religions, true muslims are ordered to Take Quran hard, with all convictions and follow Muhammad's order; what he forbids, reject, what he permits, take. Remember I did not weaver in my statements.

Does the family of the Prophet have any relevance in Islam?

The family is not relevant in the sense that Messengerhood and Prophethood are what matter and they ended with Muhammad (AS). Muhammad dealt with his own family just as he dealt with every member of the muslim community. The prophet told his surviving daughter Fatima (RA); Oh Fatima, what a father can do for a daughter I can do for you. But when you want forgiveness, mercy, etc, direct them to Allah your Creator! Only He can do All things! Jairzinho, you read my argument against the Shiah saying Hussaine and Ashura have commonality, while I say they are mere coincidence, since Ashura is from Prophet Musa (AS)? Please I stand for what I stand for. If I have a view that is different from Muhammad's (AS), when I come to know of his view, I will discard mine immediately and if I had known his before developing any, it would have been his view that I would have held on to.

Allah did not say obey the house of the prophet, but says Obey the prophet (AS).

olabowale:

@Jairzinho: « #9 on: Today at 09:23:43 AM » Not just. Islam is believing, acting in full weight of What the Quran and Authentic Hadith/Sunnah say. It is exactly to the letter, for you cant add or remove a single letter and come to tell anyone that you have recited the Quran. It is exactly to the Spirit, for what is clear is clear, then, now and in the future. Islam is what Islam is; it has two parts; Quran and its exegesis; Hadith/Sunnah. Unlike the other religions, true muslims are ordered to Take Quran hard, with all convictions and follow Muhammad's order; what he forbids, reject, what he permits, take. Remember I did not weaver in my statements.

Very good ,so why do you dither on Qur'an 9:5 ? You should take take it hard with no dilution my dear ! ^{I'm waiting for this}

olabowale:

The family is not relevant in the sense that Messengerhood and Prophethood are what matter and they ended with Muhammad (AS).

When you do your daily salah(prayer). . . . .what do you say while reciting the tashahhud ??

olabowale:


the name abdulmutallab is a horrible name. an unislam name, because it has nothing to do with Allah God Almighty.

haba now our baba, in arabic there is something we call faa'il and maf'u, muttalab is maf'ul derived from 'Muttalib'- which is faa'il, muttalib means to seek from Him  which is Allah and abdul means slave, just like Abdulllahi in the pre islamic era ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


  Abubakar is faa'il while Ababakar is maf'ul,

Abu Zola:


haba now our baba, in arabic there is something we call Maf'ul and maf'ulu bihi, muttalab is maf'ulun bihi derived from 'Muttalib'- which is maf'ul, muttalib means to seek from Him which is Allah and abdul means slave, just like Abdulllahi in the pre islamic era ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


Abubakar is maf'ul while Ababakar is mafulun bih,

The young shall grow

@Olabowale (The Politically correct muslim) :

Anyone who introduces his or her child to Islamic cult have introduces that child to terrorism. Don't tell me you monitor your child 24 hours a day 7 days a week, 365 days a year. As soon as you have introduced your child to that Islamic cult, what that child is capable of is of course unfathomable.

Islam does not mean peace, it is simply submission ot the will of allah(Saudi Black stone) or if you like to the will of the sword.

After all Islamic religion cult encourages muslims to be a martyr or suicide bomber (Islamic definition of a martyr  ), that is kill infidels. So what are you talking about ?

Knowing that conversion to christianity can be equally abhorrent to muslims. . . which would you prefer if given the choice?
[quote][/quote]For how long that Jesus stayed with christian as He did with jews? And what christianity means?