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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Maximus85(m): 6:31pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Ken4Christ: The OP said Jesus is God. His supporter is saying Jesus is the way to God. OK, continue! 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 7:13pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Maximus85: Jesus is God! Jesus is the way to God! ![]() |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 9:15pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: This same write up in crosswalk.com is where OLAADEGBU lifted his fable , "There's a knife in my back and I have three minutes to live" Plagiarists everywhere !!!! CC: Maximus69. OLAADEGBU FRAUD theorist, what is " the true nature of Jesus" which the Father in heaven revealed to Simon Peter? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 9:21pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Ken4Christ:Apostle of hellfire ,where did God punish the first pair of sinners ,Adam and Eve? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 10:25pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
johnw47: Mumu Pharisees Johnw FRAUD, your 'God' was anointed by his Supreme God, Heb1:9. Your fellow Trinitarians have confirmed Johnw FRAUD theorist is a LIAR. Read the 10 EVIDENCES here @1 to **@10) @1. Also, if we look at some respected trinitarian authorities, we also see a preference for the “God is thy throne” rendering. Oxford professor and famous trinitarian Bible translator, Dr. James Moffatt, has been described as “probably the greatest biblical scholar of our day.” His respected Bible translation renders Heb. 1:8 as: “ God is thy throne for ever and ever.” 2)* University of Cambridge professor and noted New Testament language scholar, Dr. C. F. D. Moule writes that Heb. 1:8 may be “construed so as to mean Thy throne is God” - p. 32, An Idiom Book of New Testament Greek, Cambridge University Press, 1990 printing. **3) An American Translation (Smith- Goodspeed), renders it: “God is your throne....” And The Bible in Living English (Byington) reads: “God is your throne....” The Message reads: “ Your throne is God’s throne….” NSB - God is your throne Mace - "God is thy throne ….” Twentieth Century Translation - ‘ God is thy throne….’ **(4)** Another world-acclaimed scholar of trinitarian Christendom has translated this verse similarly and made some interesting comments. Trinitarian Dr. William Barclay, “world-renowned Scottish New Testament interpreter, was noted as a profound scholar and a writer of extraordinary gifts .... He was the minister of Trinity Church, Renfrew, Scotland, and, later, Professor of Divinity and Biblical Criticism at the University of Glasgow.” Dr. Barclay, in his translation of the New Testament, has also rendered Hebrews 1:8 as : “ God is your throne for ever and ever.” ***(5)** Noted trinitarian (Southern Baptist) New Testament Greek scholar Dr. A. T. Robertson acknowledges that either “God is thy throne”/“thy throne is God” may be proper renderings: “Either makes good sense.” - p. 339, Word Pictures in the New Testament .Broadman Press, 1960.- ***(6) The American Standard Version (ASV), the Revised Standard Version (RSV), the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV), and The New English Bible (NEB) have provided alternate readings to the traditional trinitarian rendering of the KJV at Hebrews 1:8. These alternate readings (found in footnotes) agree with Dr. Moffatt’s, Dr. Barclay’s, Smith-Goodspeed’s, Byington’s, and the New World Translation ’s renderings of this scripture (“ God is your throne ”). ****(7)** Even Young’s Concise Bible Commentary (written by the famous trinitarian author of Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible) admits: “[Heb. 1:8] may be justly rendered ‘ God is thy throne ...’ in either case it is applicable to the mediatorial throne only.” **( ![]() Quoted From Ps. 45* In addition to these admissions by trinitarian translators concerning Heb. 1:8, we need to look back at the Old Testament Hebrew scripture (Ps. 45:6) that Paul was quoting when he wrote Heb. 1:8. The RSV renders it as “Your Divine throne” and a footnote provides this alternate reading: “Or ‘your throne is a throne of God.’” The NEB says: “Your throne is like God’s throne.” The Holy Sc riptures (JPS version) says: “Thy throne given of God.” The Bible in Living English (Byington) says: “God is your throne.” New International Reader’s Version ( NIRV): “ Your throne is the very throne of God.” The Good News Bible (GNB), a very trinitarian paraphrase Bible, renders it: “The kingdom that God has given you will last forever and ever.” The REB has: “God has enthroned you for all eternity.” The NJB gives us: “your throne is from God.” Leeser - Thy throne, given of God, endureth for ever We also see the following statement by respected trinitarian scholars in a footnote for this passage: “45:6 . Possibly the king’s throne is called God’s throne because he is God’s appointed regent. - Ps. 45:6 f.n. in the NIV Study Bible. In addition to the above renderings by many respected translators (most of whom are trinitarian), we have the statement by perhaps the greatest scholar of Biblical Hebrew of all time, H. F. W. Gesenius. In his famous and highly respected Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament Gesenius renders Ps. 45:6, “thy throne shall be a divine throne.” ( **9) Obviously, then, the charge sometimes made that the NWT is “not being honest or scholarly” with its rendering of Heb. 1:8 is simply untrue, and it certainly may be honestly translated “God is your throne forever.” Just the admission by so many trinitarian translators (above) that Heb. 1:8 may be honestly translated as it is in the NWT makes any insistence by other trinitarians that this scripture is acceptable evidence for a trinity doctrine completely invalid! Even famed Southern Baptist New Testament Greek scholar Dr. A. T. Robertson admits: “: ‘ God is thy throne’ or ‘Thy throne is God.’ Either makes good sense .” - p. 339, Vol. 5, Word Pictures in the New Testament , Broadman Press, 1960. @**10) However, there is more evidence, evidence which shows not only that Heb. 1:8 may be honestly translated “God is your throne,” but, indeed, should be so translated! Notice the context. Heb. 1:8 and 1:9 are being quoted from Ps. 45:6 and 45:7. In Ps. 45:7, speaking to the Israelite king, it says: “Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.” - RSV. Just as this makes it clear that the ancient Israelite king was not God but was anointed by God, HIS God, to a position above his fellows, so does Heb. 1:9, as figuratively applied to Jesus, show that he is not God, but was anointed by his God to a position above his fellows! Context, then, shows that the person addressed in Heb. 1:8 is not God, but one who worships God and was anointed by his God!" |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:27pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
Janosky: laughing ™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ i have shown you the truth of heb 1:8-9 and you keep posting your long dictionary and men's words over God's word making God a liar the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ doesn't sit on His Father, His Father is not a throne ![]() poor tormented mumu brain Father called Lord Jesus: "God" and it so pains you, oh know nothing |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:18am On Oct 26, 2019 |
And because you refuse to hear the Word of God, mocking it at your best-The Lord said: {Matthew 7:6} Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet and turn and tear you in pieces. {John 5:19} So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does. {So if the Father is the Creator-then the Word ''Jesus is also the Creator { John 1:1 } God is the Creator-{Genesis 1:1. Job 33:4, Isaiah 40:28} So if the Word of God claims God is: and if Jesus is one with His Father 'then He also is the Creator-{John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12} God is the first and last- {Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12} The Word of God also tells us, Jesus is: the first and last-{Revelations 1:17, 2:8, 22:13} God is-I AM- {Exodus 3: 13-14, Deutoronomy 32:39, Isaiah 43: 10} Jesus is-I AM-{John 8:24, 58, 13:19, 18:5} God is Judge-{Genesis 18:25, Psalm 96:13, Joel 3:12} Jesus is the Judge-{2 Timothy 4:1, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10-12} God is the King-{Psalm 47, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10} Jesus is the King of Kings-{Matthew 2:1-6, John 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16} God is Saviour-{Psalm 106:21, Isaiah 43:3,11, 45:21-23} No one comes to the Father except through Me, Jesus is our Saviour-{John 4:42, Acts 4:10-12, 1 John 4:4} God is the Shepherd-{Psalm 23, 100:3, Isaiah 40:11} Jesus is our Shepherd-{John 10:11, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 5:4} And we may not forget-{John 14:6} Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the TRUTH and the LIFE. No one comes to the FATHER except through ME. Janosky: 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Uka15(m): 5:58am On Oct 26, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: Didn't the bible say faith without work is dead? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 10:51am On Oct 26, 2019 |
Uka15: [v]Because Kumuyi blindfolded them to think they're OK as in born again for putting up the mourners outlooks, they assume they have faith.[/b] ![]() But now you've poked their false bubble with that question. FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD! James 2:26 So ask Kumuyi's followers "what type of work was Jesus' blood brother (James) referring to in that verse?" Then their stupidity will be manifest! ![]() |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Emusan(m): 12:16pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Uka15: The point is: Are you saved by work or by Faith alone? This shows you didn't understand the OP |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 12:24pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Uka15: But the bible didn't say joining a new York based publishing company called watchtower organisation, unquestionably obeying the 8 old imperfect, uninspired and fallible men who head the company, accepting that these 8 old men are the only channel of communication between God and man today and distributing magazines and books made by these company are the WORKS. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Uka15(m): 12:53pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel: Your argument stinks and its laughable .I have no point to make with an apostate. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 1:24pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Uka15: So sorry for your loss. You are the apostate here. Did jesus or jehovah ever say we should join watchtower organisation and unquestionably obey the 8 old men ruling it to get saved? The answer is no. The only place you will see this is inside watchtower organisation magazine. Apostate ni apostate ko lol You regard people who call out your false religion and cult as apostates. You never see anything. The earlier you start accepting the fact that your jehovah is never coming to destroy wicked/worldly/evil/unrighteous/idol worshippers/pagans/non jws/ people who don't give a hoot about watchtower organisation so you can live forever on paradise earth the better for you. Take heart you hear? Don't cry too much. You will still die waiting for your wish to come true just the way your founding fathers died waiting. The only place your wish will come to pass is inside your head and in watchtower magazines. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 1:26pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Uka15: Bible didn't tell us the WORKS is distributing magazines and reporting the number of hours spent on distributing magazines and beliefs of watchtower organisation. Your belief stinks trust me. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 1:34pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Uka15:Hairyrapunzel is a disfellowshiped sadist, he is frustrated, angry, desperate and can bite you just because you're one of Jehovah's witnesses. So be careful! ![]() |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Uka15(m): 1:41pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Maximus69: It's very obvious. Even a blind man can see it. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 2:04pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Uka15: No be only disfellowshipped sadist lol. Don't cry too much. Your jehovah isn't coming to destroy/kill/murder/slaughter/commit genocide because people refused to join watchtower organisation so you can live forever on paradise earth. Get used to it. Don't cry or go into depression o. You will still die waiting just like your founding fathers died waiting. It's a cycle |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 2:06pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Maximus69: Lol. It doesn't change the fact that the only place your dreams will come true is inside your head and in your magazines. Take heart |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 2:36pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel:PEACE Mr Hairyrapunzel, may you have PEACE! ![]() |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 5:30pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Maximus69: Still doesn't change the fact that you will die while waiting for your paradise earth to come just like your founding fathers died waiting. FYI your jehovah is never coming to destroy wicked/worldly people. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 5:35pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel: PEACE Mr Hairyrapunzel, may you have PEACE! ![]() |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 6:07pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Maximus69:Who told you I don't have peace. It's you that needs peace. You that is waiting for your jehovah to come commit the gruesome murder/genocide of wicked/worldly people and for vultures to feed on their dead bodies because they did not join watchtower organisation. Lol. I know it's not easy waking up every morning and wishing the above will happen. It's you that really needs the peace. May you have peace |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 6:45pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel: To the bolded i'll say "Amen!" And you too Mr Hairyrapunzel, may you have PEACE. It's NOT a curse but prayer so just claim it! ![]() |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 7:27pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Maximus69: I don't need your prayers. Must I claim your prayers? Say the prayers for yourself. You actually need the peace not me. As your jehovah will never destroy wicked/worldly people. Get used to it. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ken4Christ: 4:01am On Oct 27, 2019 |
Janosky: Hell is real and the scripture is so clear about it unless you just want to deny it in spite of the evidences contained in the scripture. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 8:10am On Oct 27, 2019 |
Ken4Christ: @bolded Sir, Adam and Eve talked directly with God and he answered both of them, billions of people after them have to make their supplications to God without hearing anything (prayer). So if they directly disobeyed him according to the SCRIPTURES, where are they now? Are they in hellfire experiencing torments since their death? Or they're still waiting for another seat of judgement different from the one God pronounced at Genesis 3:16-24? That's the question Sir! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 12:26pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Ken4Christ pst=83493763: Which evidences? Na where Lazarus tell you say him dey enjoy before Jesus resurrected him? Where the scriptures that Adam and Eve were tortured in hellfire? Or Sodom and Gomorrah were tortured in hellfire? ken4Christ just dey yarn okpata ! |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 3:24pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel: @bolded, i fully grasp what you're saying Sir! But whether you want it or not, everyone NEEDS prayers. If Jesus could kneel down and PRAY, Mr Hairyrapunzel, you NEED prayers! So once again, PEACE Mr Hairyrapunzel may you have PEACE! ![]() |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 4:32pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Maximus69: Is it by force to need your prayers? Lol You are the person that needs peace. You that is always calling for and wishing the destruction/killing of wicked/worldly people. Last last na you need the peace and prayers. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 4:40pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Maximus69: Whether you like it or not your jehovah isn't coming to destroy wicked/worldly people because they refused to join watchtower organisation and unquestionably obey the 8 old uninspired, imperfect and fallible men and accept that they are the only channel of communication between God and man today. If you like talk from here to Jericho. Your paradise earth is only inside your head and inside your watchtower magazines. You will die waiting for armageddon just like your founding fathers died waiting. Take heart |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ken4Christ: 12:42am On Oct 28, 2019 |
Janosky: You should be concerned about yourself and not Adam and Eve. Forget about the argument they give you in your Kingdom hall and read the entire Bible. Only a dishonest person will say there is no hell. The evidences of the scripture are so overwhelming that I have a whole book on it. You have been brainwashed and you can't reason straight again. It will be too late when you get in and you will remember how foolish you were. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ken4Christ: 12:48am On Oct 28, 2019 |
Maximus69: My friend, all these questions are uncalled for. Save your own soul and let God be the judge. Just read chapter by chapter, verse by verse gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and come back and tell me there is no hell. Even Lucifer believes and trembles. Run for your life and stop going to Jehovah witness whose founder was recently seen suffering in hell because of his false teachings. |
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