KingEbukasBlog:


Dalaman loves feeling sexy with DalaMAMA , sonofluc1fer enjoys taking men to ICM to buy doughnut .

Atheists and perversion

You are a Voyeurrr.

hopefulLandlord:

Nah, its the same reason Superman "chose" not to bow to my wish

Don't you worry a lot of folks like you saw Jesus Christ as comical at first but surrendered to Him thereafter. By His grace, you also will surrender to Him and be saved.

TheNazarene:


Don't you worry a lot of folks like you saw Jesus Christ as comical at first but surrendered to Him thereafter. By His grace, you also will surrender to Him and be saved.

that explains why Christians only make up 2% of Israeli population while freaking Islam has 18%

hopefulLandlord:


that explains why Christians only make up 2% of Israeli population while freaking Islam has 18%

The Jews reject Christ and see him as a false messiah . Israel is surrounded by Arab nations . Muhammed once wanted to join forces with some Jews at some point but he was rejected because they could not believe that Yahweh could sent a Gentile as prophet . Apparently some were convinced .

If you don't know how things came to be , just ask .

KingEbukasBlog:


The Jews reject Christ and see him as a false messiah . Israel is surrounded by Arab nations . Muhammed once wanted to join forces with some Jews at some point but he was rejected because they could not believe that Yahweh could sent a Gentile as prophet . Apparently some were convinced .

If you don't know how things came to be , just ask .

and you my good sir have said nothing, follow discussions, its not a sin

hopefulLandlord:


that explains why Christians only make up 2% of Israeli population while freaking Islam has 18%

Matthew 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

Jesus Christ foresaw the future Don't get cocky

And by the way, Jesus didn't come for the Israelites alone, He came for mankind.

hopefulLandlord:


and you my good sir have said nothing, follow discussions, its not a sin

dalaman:


You are a Voyeurrr.

Prove it .

Yours is proven with DalaMAMA

TheNazarene:


Matthew 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

Jesus Christ foresaw the future Don't get cocky

And by the way, Jesus didn't come for the Israelites alone, He came for mankind.

muslims disagree with this. They say Jesus was only for the Jews and it is Mohammed that was sent for all mankind.

To prove it they quote Matthew 15:24

24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

expozey:

Oh please, na d so-called religious people dey live immoral life pass, if not this highly religious nation will not be in this sorry state.
Secondly, atheism does not come from a desire for immoral living. It simply means that they do not believe that there is any form of higher power which guides our existence. So it's very wrong to equate atheism with immoral living and religiosity to moral living

www.nairaland.com/3288341/how-satan-deceived-atheists

@Kingebuka, This is a very beautiful writeup. God bless you immensely. It is only a complete fool of all fools that will deny the existence of God. For a die-hard scientist called Voltaire said ' if God doesn't exist, then it will be necessary to invent Him'

God exists! It is written everywhere in nature. God is nature. God is everything. Nothing exists with God. Period!

@Kingebuka, This is a very beautiful writeup. God bless you immensely. It is only a complete fool of all fools that will deny the existence of God. For a die-hard philosopher called Voltaire to have said ' if God doesn't exist, then it will be necessary to invent Him', it means such that doubt Gid's existence should reconsider.

God exists! It is written everywhere in nature. God is nature. God is everything. Nothing exists without God. Period!

sonofluc1fer:

Every brain approaches its expiry date the longer you live. A brainless fool such as yourself wouldn't know that... Using a fact as as an insult, how clever..

Your job is to like and share KEBs shit. Stay focused.

Lol... Easy on that guy na. you wan finish am abi?

PastorAIO:


muslims disagree with this. They say Jesus was only for the Jews and it is Mohammed that was sent for all mankind.

To prove it they quote Matthew 15:24

24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Do you agree that Yahweh and Allah are the same beings? Reasons for your answer too .

dalaman:
Most of your write up is just so nonsensical that I don't know where to begin from. Everything written up there is just empty assertion that makes no sense at all. I will just take one of them and show you that your assertions are false.




This is completely false. How can the pinnacle of moral perfection engage in evil? The bible in some places has God doing evil, and apologizing for his evil deeds.

(Exod. 32:14), “And the Lord repented of the evil [/b]which he thought to do unto his people.

If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: [b]For I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.
Jeremiah 42:10

Why is your God doing evil and repenting? A perfect God that is the pinnacle of morality that goes about doing evil is impossible.

As usual you have come to just expose your self and your weak and ill thought out arguments that make no sense at all.

Since morality is subjective, what God did He considered as good . Or morality has stopped being subjective ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Since morality is subjective, what God did He considered as good . Or morality has stopped being subjective ?

Lies. He didn't consider it as good according to the biblical tale. He called it evil and repented from it. As usual you are always empty.

felixomor:


Keep writing your own "Neo-koranic" scriptures there
U will soon turn to Otem ......

in Falila's voice : What I do?

dalaman:


Lies. He didn't consider it as good according to the biblical tale. He called it evil and repented from it. As usual you are always empty.

I don't think you understand me or feigning ignorance as usual . Let's leave the fact that you misconstrued that verse ; even if God called it evil , since morality is subjective , then it can be seen as good from another's perspective.

Terrorists see their despicable flagitious acts against humanity as good , you see it as evil . We Christians see lecherousness as evil , many atheists say that it is good to have multiple sexual partners and lots of sex .Case closed .

KingEbukasBlog:


I don't think you understand me or feigning ignorance as usual . Let's leave the fact that you misconstrued that verse ; even if God called it evil , since morality is subjective , then it can be seen as good from another's perspective.

Terrorists see their despicable flagitious acts against humanity as good , you see it as evil . We Christians see lecherousness as evil , many atheists say that it is good to have multiple sexual partners and lots of sex .Case closed .

More lies. I did not misconstrued the verse. Did Yahweh admit that he did evil and repented according to the verse? Yes he did. Why then is KingEbukasBlog telling lies? Because he can not do without telling lies.

Terrorist do not come out and acknowledge that their actions are evil and repent of it, your God acknowledged that he did evil and repented. Dance and wail all you want but it is there in black and white. Your God did evil acknowledged he did evil and repented. You can say that the people that wrote that part lied and God did not tell them to write such, at least that is what William Craig said in his debate with Eddy Tabash.He said God did not tell the Jews to write all those violent parts of the bible. He completely threw the bible under the bus . You can do like him as well, since you don't like that part. Lie lie KingEbukasBlog blog.

KingEbukasBlog:


Do you agree that Yahweh and Allah are the same beings? Reasons for your answer too .

From what I can tell of your argument you seem to be saying that they are the same being because they are both the creator of the universe.


When you consider that some people say that The Big Bang is the creator of the universe, would you accept that Yahweh and allah are the big bang?

Or to put it another way. We all know that we have fathers, right? I know I have a father. If someone tells me that my fathers name is Thomas Nwagbodo and he comes from Anambra, while another person tells me that my father's name is Jeremy Williams and he is in fact an englishman, then would you say that Thomas and Jeremy are the same person simply because they are both said to be my father?

The creator is a Role, a function, or perhaps we should call it An Office.

Like in a company you have the office of the CEO aka Oga patapata. Now this CEO can be Chief Olurin from 2010 to 2013, and then after that the office can be taken by a Chief Azikwe from 2013 to 2017. These are two different people even though they have both played the same role within the corporate structure.

Similarly, the Ultimate Cause of the universe is a Role that can possibly be taken by any number of beings.

The issue becomes even more complicated when we allow for the fact that some of the beings that can be called God may be totally imaginary beings, or if not totally imaginary then based on part imagination part fact.

I would therefore agree that on some level Yahweh and Allah are the same, but on many other levels they are totally different. Not just Yahweh and Allah. It could argued that the Yahweh of Abraham is a different being from the Yahweh of Moses. And they are both a different being from the Yahweh of Jesus.
In fact this is not a new view. Marcion in the first century went as far as claiming that the Yahweh of the OT is in fact an evil demiurge and Jesus came to free us from his clutches.

PastorAIO:


muslims disagree with this. They say Jesus was only for the Jews and it is Mohammed that was sent for all mankind.

To prove it they quote Matthew 15:24

24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Why do you guys like to quote things out of context?

Even while back in school, when you are asked for the meaning of an italicized word, they tell you not to give the off the bat meaning but you are asked to go back to the passage to read before and after the italicized word to get the right answer to the question.

Now, don't you think we should read some verses before and after the one you singled out?

Matthew 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

When you read it like this you see that when she sought help from Jesus, there was no reply, why? She was a canaanite, who came to Israel to give Jesus a try meaning she still was a staunch follower of the canaanite gods and came to add the God of Israel to her array of the gods she already worships, if her daughter gets healed.
And we all know that the God of Israel is a jealous God, therefore it was either she decided to remain a canaanite or become an Israelite by making the God of Israel her one and only God, otherwise Jesus wasn't going to give her the benefits or privileges of worshipping only the God of Israel.


Matthew 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

When we read further down we see she decided to ditch all other gods, because for sure she must have sought help far and wide for the solution to her problem and gotten none, and therefore decided to put all her trust, hope and to put all her faith in this God of Israel and she wasn't put to shame. JESUS HEALED HER DAUGHTER OF HER INFIRMITIES and the Bible says from that very hour her daughter was made whole! That means her daughter wasn't just healed but also every thing that signifies that she was formerly demon possessed was gone! Hallelujah!!!

So, my brother, Jesus can heal you or any muslim of any infirmity be it spiritual, physical or material all you need to do is to make Him your Lord and personal Saviour.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Are you talking to me?

Please you need to read what I wrote and respond to it properly, or just leave it alone.

And please, stop smoking drugs.

Where did you see Italics and what has italics got to do with anything I said?

The moslems say that Jesus attested to the fact that he only came for the lost children of israel. You write and write and write all because of a short line and you can't make even one decent point.

The passage says nothing about the woman having numerous canaanite gods. That is your own addition.

The passage says nothing about quitting her canaanite gods, that is just more of your imagination.

She didn't ask to be a child of Israel, she said that even as a dog sebi the dogs can still eat the crumbs that the children spill. So she never converted from being a 'dog'. (look! an italicized word )

What Gods she had or didn't have no bearing on the simple statement that Jesus made.

TheNazarene:



Why do you guys like to quote things out of context?

Even while back in school, when you are asked for the meaning of an italicized word, they tell you not to give the off the bat meaning but you are asked to go back to the passage to read before and after the italicized word to get the right answer to the question.

Now, don't you think we should read some verses before and after the one you singled out?

Matthew 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

When you read it like this you see that when she sought help from Jesus, there was no reply, why? She was a canaanite, who came to Israel to give Jesus a try meaning she still was a staunch follower of the canaanite gods and came to add the God of Israel to her array of the gods she already worships, if her daughter gets healed.
And we all know that the God of Israel is a jealous God, therefore it was either she decided to remain a canaanite or become an Israelite by making the God of Israel her one and only God, otherwise Jesus wasn't going to give her the benefits or privileges of worshipping only the God of Israel.


Matthew 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

When we read further down we see she decided to ditch all other gods, because for sure she must have sought help far and wide for the solution to her problem and gotten none, and therefore decided to put all her trust, hope and to put all her faith in this God of Israel and she wasn't put to shame. JESUS HEALED HER DAUGHTER OF HER INFIRMITIES and the Bible says from that very hour her daughter was made whole! That means her daughter wasn't just healed but also every thing that signifies that she was formerly demon possessed was gone! Hallelujah!!!

So, my brother, Jesus can heal you or any muslim of any infirmity be it spiritual, physical or material all you need to do is to make Him your Lord and personal Saviour.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

PastorAIO:


From what I can tell of your argument you seem to be saying that they are the same being because they are both the creator of the universe.


When you consider that some people say that The Big Bang is the creator of the universe, would you accept that Yahweh and allah are the big bang?

Or to put it another way. We all know that we have fathers, right? I know I have a father. If someone tells me that my fathers name is Thomas Nwagbodo and he comes from Anambra, while another person tells me that my father's name is Jeremy Williams and he is in fact an englishman, then would you say that Thomas and Jeremy are the same person simply because they are both said to be my father?

The creator is a Role, a function, or perhaps we should call it An Office.

Like in a company you have the office of the CEO aka Oga patapata. Now this CEO can be Chief Olurin from 2010 to 2013, and then after that the office can be taken by a Chief Azikwe from 2013 to 2017. These are two different people even though they have both played the same role within the corporate structure.

Similarly, the Ultimate Cause of the universe is a Role that can possibly be taken by any number of beings.

The issue becomes even more complicated when we allow for the fact that some of the beings that can be called God may be totally imaginary beings, or if not totally imaginary then based on part imagination part fact.

I would therefore agree that on some level Yahweh and Allah are the same, but on many other levels they are totally different. Not just Yahweh and Allah. It could argued that the Yahweh of Abraham is a different being from the Yahweh of Moses. And they are both a different being from the Yahweh of Jesus.
In fact this is not a new view. Marcion in the first century went as far as claiming that the Yahweh of the OT is in fact an evil demiurge and Jesus came to free us from his clutches.

Oh , now I understand your perspective of the argument . I understand your analogies too . However , I think you took the wrong perspective sir. I suggest you see it is way and tell me what you think :

1. El and Yahweh

When the Levites came from Egypt to Canaan , the early Israelites who dwelt in Canaan worshiped the God El while the Levites worshiped the God Yahweh . They could have worshiped both and formed mythologies about the origin or worship and possibly of creation and even give them roles and confer them with new titles but this was not so . They could have decided to worship only El or only Yahweh. Instead, the tribes decided that El and Yahweh were one, in essence saying, “the same God by a different name.”

Exodus 6:2–3
I revealed myself to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as Ēl Shaddāi, but was not known to them by my name, Yahweh.

We can see that the Abrahamic religions worship the God who revealed Himself to Abraham . But in the case of Allah of the Arabians , it is the same Yahweh but some people have decided to form different teachings even to the point of defamation for whatsoever purposes and that's why it appears that they are different . Remember , the Israelites in Canaan and the Levites could have worshiped them as different Gods . And what if they did? Does it now mean that Yahweh and El are different or would you see it as a misunderstanding ?

2. Theology

Theology studies the nature of the divine . The Divine is enigmatic , the Divine is a mystery , the Divine is inscrutable and that is why man has conceptions of It . Augustine of Hippo who saw the creation story in the bible as metaphorical describes theology as the "reasoning or discussion concerning the Deity" . Now we know that humans reason differently , we arrive at different conclusions concerning a particular issue because of how different our understanding and experiences are .

Deism is a theological position concerning the divine . The deists think that it is illogical that God would be powerful enough to create man and wouldn't bother to stop all evil that man does . Why would a God intervene in some and not in the other ? What if the perception of him intervening is false ? Therefore , it is logical that God does not intervene in the affairs of man . It does not owe man Its help , has bestowed man with reason and has provided everything sine qua non for the survival of man and the continuation of life . They rejected religion , they rejected revelations . They used natural theology since they believe that man ought to use his God's given ability to reason to understand the nature of God .

Islamic theology thought differently . It sees God as a singular all-powerful and all-knowing creator, sustainer, ordainer and judge of everything in existence. In Christian theology , God's divine Nature became united with the human nature in the person of Jesus Christ through Incarnation. God is also seen as having a triune Nature . Jewish theology rejects this belief insisting that God cannot incarnate as man.

If you listen to Christian , Jewish , and Islamic theologians discuss , you'd see that they have disagreements about the nature of God and that is what theology studies . Theology admits that the divine is enigmatic and we should have reasons to why we believe that nature of the divine is this or that . The differences do not imply they are different eternal beings and we are looking for a true God . No . It seeks to find the most accurate representation or portrayal of the Nature of the divine .

Most Theologians are philosophers and in philosophy , everyone should have logical reasons why they have beliefs . Islamic , Christian , Jewish theology have reasons why they believe the nature of the divine is a certain way . Generally , theologians are agnostic about God's attributes : The nature of his knowledge , sovereignty , and even relationship with humans . In deism , some deists believe that God can have personal or a transpersonal relationship with man but it does not mean God intervenes ; some deists reject this belief . The agnosticism , the beliefs , the contradictions do not mean different Gods are being described .

PastorAIO:
Are you talking to me?

Please you need to read what I wrote and respond to it properly, or just leave it alone.

And please, stop smoking drugs.

Where did you see Italics and what has italics got to do with anything I said?

The moslems say that Jesus attested to the fact that he only came for the lost children of israel. You write and write and write all because of a short line and you can't make even one decent point.

The passage says nothing about the woman having numerous canaanite gods. That is your own addition.

The passage says nothing about quitting her canaanite gods, that is just more of your imagination.

She didn't ask to be a child of Israel, she said that even as a dog sebi the dogs can still eat the crumbs that the children spill. So she never converted from being a 'dog'. (look! an italicized word )

What Gods she had or didn't have no bearing on the simple statement that Jesus made.

Am I talking to you? Is that a question?
Alright, no, I am 'replying' you.

Let me give you the benefit of doubt that you read my post without having understanding, alright?
Could you please read again, slowly and again and again till you have understanding?

And by the way, Pastor, you need to go back to your first love.

TheNazarene:



Am I talking to you? Is that a question?
Alright, no, I am 'replying' you.

Let me give you the benefit of doubt that you read my post without having understanding, alright?
Could you please read again, slowly and again and again till you have understanding?

And by the way, Pastor, you need to go back to your first love.

I don't need to read your post more than once. I totally get the gist of what you are saying.

This is what you are saying:

1) Jesus didn't answer the woman because she followed other Gods.

2) She repented from following other Gods and committed to Yahweh solely.

3) Therefore Jesus healed her.

These are your points, abi? Or are they not.


And what I'm telling you is very simple. Your points are rubbish.

First, there is no basis in the text for you to say that she worshipped other Gods just because she was Canaanite. It is a known fact that there were many gentiles called God-fearers who were drawn to judaism. Why could she not have been a God-fearer? What about the Roman centurion's servant? He was a roman, does that mean he was a worshipper of roman gods along with helping Jews?

Second, there is no basis for your claim that she subsequently repented from the many gods to worship yahweh. No where in the text will you find that a conversion took place.

My point is that you are adding (as many of you do) figments of your own imagination to the passage.

The woman was called a dog, not to be treated as one of the children.
The woman agreed that she was a dog and accepted whatever she could get as a dog.

The passage that moslem's quote still stands:

24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

please note the bold Italics.

Would you extend your pattern of reasoning and say that the Jupiter and Odin are the same as Yahweh?

What about Sango?

This is called Syncretism.

it is my position, since as you have claimed: God is inscrutable, that any theological conception of God is just as false as any other theological conception.

I do believe that the conceptions vary from one another and so are different 'entities'.

That does nothing to change or affect God. If anything, all these conceptions are just obstacles to achieving a true acquaintance with 'God'.


These conceptions, all of them, are man made. They are as varied as man's imagination is varied.

KingEbukasBlog:


Oh , now I understand your perspective of the argument . I understand your analogies too . However , I think you took the wrong perspective sir. I suggest you see it is way and tell me what you think :

1. El and Yahweh

When the Levites came from Egypt to Canaan , the early Israelites who dwelt in Canaan worshiped the God El while the Levites worshiped the God Yahweh . They could have worshiped both and formed mythologies about the origin or worship and possibly of creation and even give them roles and confer them with new titles but this was not so . They could have decided to worship only El or only Yahweh. Instead, the tribes decided that El and Yahweh were one, in essence saying, “the same God by a different name.”

Exodus 6:2–3
I revealed myself to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as Ēl Shaddāi, but was not known to them by my name, Yahweh.

We can see that the Abrahamic religions worship the God who revealed Himself to Abraham . But in the case of Allah of the Arabians , it is the same Yahweh but some people have decided to form different teachings even to the point of defamation for whatsoever purposes and that's why it appears that they are different . Remember , the Israelites in Canaan and the Levites could have worshiped them as different Gods . And what if they did? Does it now mean that Yahweh and El are different or would you see it as a misunderstanding ?

2. Theology

Theology studies the nature of the divine . The Divine is enigmatic , the Divine is a mystery , the Divine is inscrutable and that is why man has conceptions of It . Augustine of Hippo who saw the creation story in the bible as metaphorical describes theology as the "reasoning or discussion concerning the Deity" . Now we know that humans reason differently , we arrive at different conclusions concerning a particular issue because of how different our understanding and experiences are .

Deism is a theological position concerning the divine . The deists think that it is illogical that God would be powerful enough to create man and wouldn't bother to stop all evil that man does . Why would a God intervene in some and not in the other ? What if the perception of him intervening is false ? Therefore , it is logical that God does not intervene in the affairs of man . It does not owe man Its help , has bestowed man with reason and has provided everything sine qua non for the survival of man and the continuation of life . They rejected religion , they rejected revelations . They used natural theology since they believe that man ought to use his God's given ability to reason to understand the nature of God .

Islamic theology thought differently . It sees God as a singular all-powerful and all-knowing creator, sustainer, ordainer and judge of everything in existence. In Christian theology , God's divine Nature became united with the human nature in the person of Jesus Christ through Incarnation. God is also seen as having a triune Nature . Jewish theology rejects this belief insisting that God cannot incarnate as man.

If you listen to Christian , Jewish , and Islamic theologians discuss , you'd see that they have disagreements about the nature of God and that is what theology studies . Theology admits that the divine is enigmatic and we should have reasons to why we believe that nature of the divine is this or that . The differences do not imply they are different eternal beings and we are looking for a true God . No . It seeks to find the most accurate representation or portrayal of the Nature of the divine .

Most Theologians are philosophers and in philosophy , everyone should have logical reasons why they have beliefs . Islamic , Christian , Jewish theology have reasons why they believe the nature of the divine is a certain way . Generally , theologians are agnostic about God's attributes : The nature of his knowledge , sovereignty , and even relationship with humans . In deism , some deists believe that God can have personal or a transpersonal relationship with man but it does not mean God intervenes ; some deists reject this belief . The agnosticism , the beliefs , the contradictions do not mean different Gods are being described .

PastorAIO:


I don't need to read your post more than once. I totally get the gist of what you are saying.

This is what you are saying:

1) Jesus didn't answer the woman because she followed other gods.

2) She repented from following other gods and committed to Yahweh solely.

3) Therefore Jesus healed her.

These are your points, abi? Or are they not.

Yes, those are my points but clearly you don't understand them

And what I'm telling you is very simple. Your points are rubbish.

Rubbish? But aren't those points clearly lettered words posted by you?

Therefore? Repented? Committed? You understand these words don't you?

First, there is no basis in the text for you to say that she worshipped other gods just because she was Canaanite. It is a known fact that there were many gentiles called God-fearers who were drawn to judaism. Why could she not have been a God-fearer? What about the Roman centurion's servant? He was a roman, does that mean he was a worshipper of roman gods along with helping Jews?

Is there any basis that she didn't worship other gods? She had a problem and you think that all she thought was to get to Israel to get healed without trying 'other sources of power'?

Who are the God fearers you are referring to? Or is it a name you coined to suit your deception?

What you do not understand is that every gentile(Namaan, Zarephath woman, the centurion servant, etc) that got healed had to have total faith only in the God of Israel and none in whatever they served before, thereby acknowledging Him as the only true God before they got their desires.

Second, there is no basis for your claim that she subsequently repented from the many gods to worship yahweh. No where in the text will you find that a conversion took place.

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

My point is that you are adding (as many of you do) figments of your own imagination to the passage.

The woman was called a dog, not to be treated as one of the children.
The woman agreed that she was a dog and accepted whatever she could get as a dog.

Are you not adding figments of your imagination to the passage by saying the woman was called a dog because neither did Jesus say you are a dog nor did she agree she was a dog?


Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

The passage that moslem's quote still stands:

24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

please note the bold Italics.

The muslim's quote...like it is from the kuran?

I see you don't still get my message of why you singled out that verse, you are just posting italics all over the place.

TheNazarene:


Yes, those are my points but clearly you don't understand them




Rubbish? But aren't those points clearly lettered words posted by you?

Therefore? Repented? Committed? You understand these words don't you?

Lol!!

Okay, what do I have to do or say to show you that I understand what you've spouted? Is it possible for someone to understand you and yet disagree with you? Or is it only those that sycophantically agree with you that understand you?

Just because I rephrase, parse, and lay out your rubbish points doesn't mean that they are not rubbish. You seem to think that I cannot call something rubbish just because they are 'clearly lettered words posted by me'. Your argument is rubbish if you cannot handle that then I'm sorry but I can't help you.

Is there any basis that she didn't worship other gods? She had a problem and you think that all she thought was to get to Israel to get healed without trying 'other sources of power'?

I have no idea. Even the woman who had a flow of blood tried other things first. But for me to start speculating baselessly would be daft. I don't do that. I'd rather leave such to you.



25And there was a woman who had had a discharge of blood for twelve years, 26and who had suffered much under many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was no better but rather grew worse. 27She had heard the reports about Jesus and came up behind him in the crowd and touched his garment. 28For she said, “If I touch even his garments, I will be made well.” - Mark 5

Trying other things first therefore has no bearing on whether Jesus will heal you or not. So my answer to your question is that I don't know, and it would be pointless to speculate, and furthermore it doesn't matter.

Who are the God fearers you are referring to? Or is it a name you coined to suit your deception?

God-fearers is a term that anybody who has studied the NT in any depth will be familiar with.

A God-fearer or Godfearer was a member of a class of non-Jewish (gentile) sympathizers to Second Temple Judaism mentioned in the Christian New Testament and other contemporary sources such as synagogue inscriptions in diaspora Hellenistic Judaism. The concept has precedents in the proselytes of the Hebrew Bible

In the Hebrew Bible, there is some recognition of non-Jewish monotheistic worship as being directed toward the same God. This forms the category of yirei Hashem ("יראי השם" meaning "Fearers of the Name", "the Name" being a Jewish euphemism for the Tetragrammaton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God-fearer

You obviously don't even have that level of biblical knowledge.

What you do not understand is that every gentile(Namaan, Zarephath woman, the centurion servant, etc) that got healed had to have total faith only in the God of Israel and none in whatever they served before, thereby acknowledging Him as the only true God before they got their desires.

So who told you that the Canaanite woman didn't have faith in God. Even Jesus said she had faith and praised her for it.


15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith:

Look! More italics!!! Today is a real bonanza day for you and your italics.

Are you not adding figments of your imagination to the passage by saying the woman was called a dog because neither did Jesus say you are a dog nor did she agree she was a dog?

Nope.

15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.


Unless she was not the dog in question here, maybe she approached Jesus because she thought jesus was a vet and her dog needed healing.

The muslim's quote...like it is from the kuran? grin

I see you don't still get my message of why you singled out that verse, you are just posting italics all over the place.

you are trying to capitalize on a Greengrocers apostrophe like you are just plain daft or something. By God's grace you are not actually that stupid.

Read it without the apostrophe and please bring it up in your next post if you still don't get it.

I singled out the verse because I was making a point that different people have different perspectives on the syncretization of deities. Someone said Jesus was for everybody and I demonstrated that Muslim s argue otherwise and refer to that verse in their arguments. It's actually quite simple, even 10 year olds should be able to understand it.

PastorAIO:
Would you extend your pattern of reasoning and say that the Jupiter and Odin are the same as Yahweh?

What about Sango?

This is called Syncretism.

it is my position, since as you have claimed: God is inscrutable, that any theological conception of God is just as false as any other theological conception.

I do believe that the conceptions vary from one another and so are different 'entities'.

That does nothing to change or affect God. If anything, all these conceptions are just obstacles to achieving a true acquaintance with 'God'.

These conceptions, all of them, are man made. They are as varied as man's imagination is varied.

So you mean Jesus Christ in Islam is different from Jesus Christ in Christianity and the Jesus Christ in Judaism simply because there are differences in the accounts ? You actually saying that Judaism , Islam and Christianity are talking of three different Jesus Christs ? Haba now

KingEbukasBlog:


So you mean Jesus Christ in Islam is different from Jesus Christ in Christianity and the Jesus Christ in Judaism simply because there are differences in the accounts ? You actually saying that Judaism , Islam and Christianity are talking of three different Jesus Christs ? Haba now

Historically speaking the fellow being referred to is the same. Theologically, Christologically, Mythologically, and any other ology beyond the historical facts, The various cults are referring to a different entity.

KingEbukasBlog:


So you mean Jesus Christ in Islam is different from Jesus Christ in Christianity and the Jesus Christ in Judaism simply because there are differences in the accounts ? You actually saying that Judaism , Islam and Christianity are talking of three different Jesus Christs ? Haba now

Even the Catholics, from the Presbyterians, to the Burn Agains are all referring to a different entity.

PastorAIO:


Historically speaking the fellow being referred to is the same. Theologically, Christologically, Mythologically, and any other ology beyond the historical facts, The various cults are referring to a different entity.

Historically speaking too , Christianity , Islam and Judaism are worshiping the same God
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions