KingEbukasBlog:


Showing love , kindness , empathy , justice etc , these are objectively good.

The definition of Love, kindness, justice all vary from place to place. What is considered to be an act of justice in Saudi Arabia might be considered not to be an act of justice in the United states. An act of love in Japan might be considered to be an act of foolishness in Russia. A charitable act in Mongolia might be consideredas a foolish act in India so all these things are subjective and not objective.

Greed , hatred these are objectively bad . If we agree that there is evil , then we agree that there is good ; if we agree that good and evil exist then we agree that there are moral laws to guide us on what is good and evil ; if we agree that there are moral laws then the corollary is to affirm the existence of a moral law giver who is a pinnacle of moral perfection . Its just simple logic .

Greed, hate, are not objectivelybad because the definition of greed and hate varies from society to society. What is considered greed in China might not be considered as greed in the USA. In fact the whole capitalist principle is based on greed. But it is the driving force of the US economy. Consumerism and greed is the backbone of capitalism. An act of hate in Denmark might not be considered to be an act of hate in Saudi Arabia or Yamen. So these things aren't objective. Take honor killing for example. It's an act of hate in most western societies but it isn't considered to be one in many middle east societies and Asian countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. They have no laws against it and it is considered to be a part of their system.

Humans are their givers and creators of all moral system. They create all moral and legal systems they chose to follow. All laws are man made. Back on the days they used God as an enforcing mechanism for many different reasons but now hey don't anymore.

You can't say God committed evil when you claim morality is subjective . You don't judge God or another by your own moral standards or societal laws . Atheists claim that morality is subjective then go around accusing God of being evil (that's dystheism ). It does not make sense , utterly asinine . Morality being subjective logically exculpates God of any evil . I don't know how this eludes you people .

You keep repeating this drivel, now you are sounding like a broken record. According to the bible God said he commited evil and repented from his evil acts. He confessed and repented according to the tale. So what exactly are you on about? Just follow the lead of your master William Craig and say that the writers of the bible were lying when they said God repented of his evil deeds. Claim that God did not tell them to write that as he did when he said same about the genocide and atrocities in the bible. Throw the bible under the bus like he did and rest.

dalaman:


The definition of Love, kindness, justice all vary from place to place. What is considered to be an act of justice in Saudi Arabia might be considered not to be an act of justice in the United states. An act of love in Japan might be considered to be an act of foolishness in Russia. A charitable act in Mongolia might be consideredas a foolish act in India so all these things are subjective and not objective.





Greed, hate, are not objectivelybad because the definition of greed and hate varies from society to society. What is considered greed in China might not be considered as greed in the USA. In fact the whole capitalist principle is based on greed. But it is the driving force of the US economy. Consumerism and greed is the backbone of capitalism. An act of hate in Denmark might not be considered to be an act of hate in Saudi Arabia or Yamen. So these things aren't objective. Take honor killing for example. It's an act of hate in most western societies but it isn't considered to be one in many middle east societies and Asian countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. They have no laws against it and it is considered to be a part of their system.

Humans are their givers and creators of all moral system. They create all moral and legal systems they chose to follow. All laws are man made. Back on the days they used God as an enforcing mechanism for many different reasons but now hey don't anymore.



You keep repeating this drivel, now you are sounding like a broken record. According to the bible God said he commited evil and repented from his evil acts. He confessed and repented according to the tale. So what exactly are you on about? Just follow the lead of your master William Craig and say that the writers of the bible were lying when they said God repented of his evil deeds. Claim that God did not tell them to write that as he did when he said same about the genocide and atrocities in the bible. Throw the bible under the bus like he did and rest.

Please where did william craig say the writers of the Bible were lying?

felixomor:


Please where did william craig say the writers of the Bible were lying?

In his debate with Eddy Tabash(available on Youtube) he said maybe the Jews just wrote down the biblical stories including the genocides without God telling them to do so and just claimed God after been pummeled by Eddy Tabash on the morality of the OT. But the same hypocrite belongs to a christian organization that each member will have to sign an undertaken that the bible is the inerrant word of God before he/ she joins. Bart Erhman had to call him out on it in their debate when he tried making a similar move on the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus. When he said that the resurrection of the saints that came out from the graves and walked round the city of Jerusalem for all to see as recorded by the gospel of Mathews during the death of Jesus wasn't historical but an apocalyptic allegory.

dalaman:


In his debate with Eddy Tabash(available on Youtube) he said maybe the Jews just wrote down the biblical stories including the genocides without God telling them to do so and just claimed God after been pummeled by Eddy Tabash on the morality of the OT. But the same hypocrite belongs to a christian organization that each member will have to sign an undertaken that the bible is the inerrant word of God before he/ she joins. Bart Erhman had to call him out on it in their debate when he tried making a similar move on the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus. When he said that the resurrection of the saints that came out from the graves and walked round the city of Jerusalem for all to see as recorded by the gospel of Mathews during the death of Jesus wasn't historical but an apocalyptic allegory.

I cant see any evidence of "lying" in what you have wrote here.
Anyway post the video link here let everyone watch it.

felixomor:

I cant see any evidence of "lying" in what you have wrote here.
Anyway post the video link here let everyone watch it.

So God didn't tell the Jews to write anything down abi. Well done. It's on Youtube go and watch it there.

dalaman:


So God didn't tell the Jews to write anything down abi. Well done. It's on Youtube go and watch it there.

Hehehehe,
Anyway, I saw it coming

felixomor:


Hehehehe,
Anyway, I saw it coming

felixomor:


Hehehehe,
Anyway, I saw it coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSbnTgjr6eA

dalaman:

The definition of Love, kindness, justice all vary from place to place. What is considered to be an act of justice in Saudi Arabia might be considered not to be an act of justice in the United states. An act of love in Japan might be considered to be an act of foolishness in Russia. A charitable act in Mongolia might be consideredas a foolish act in India so all these things are subjective and not objective.

There are acts of love and kindness that are the same wherever you go . Care giving by a mother to a child is an act of love , taking care of your spouse is an act of love no matter the society , protecting a child from evil by loved ones and family is considered an act of love no matter the society . We also have an instinct for altruism . There is a concept called elevation whereby people are moved to help the less privileged people in need whenever they hear inspiring stories or see people help one another .

A study of our moral experience since the time humans came to being show that these strong inherited biases - love , care-giving , kindness- have helped us survive as a social community .

I emboldened the word "might" because you are proving by assertion . You are making a lot of assumptions and using them as "refutations" . You don't even know with certitude if there are indeed varying definitions of the aforementioned . You are empty and shameless

Greed, hate, are not objectivelybad because the definition of greed and hate varies from society to society. What is considered greed in China might not be considered as greed in the USA. In fact the whole capitalist principle is based on greed. But it is the driving force of the US economy. Consumerism and greed is the backbone of capitalism. An act of hate in Denmark might not be considered to be an act of hate in Saudi Arabia or Yamen. So these things aren't objective. Take honor killing for example. It's an act of hate in most western societies but it isn't considered to be one in many middle east societies and Asian countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. They have no laws against it and it is considered to be a part of their system.

Proving by assertion . You gave yourself away cheaply though the use of word "might" . You can only provide assumptions not evidence .

Greed is the same in every society . Nobody applauds you for it . Because a political ideology is driven by greed does not mean it is accepted in any society . Communism was driven by the hate for people who believe in God . Does this make it right ?

Humans are their givers and creators of all moral system. They create all moral and legal systems they chose to follow. All laws are man made. Back on the days they used God as an enforcing mechanism for many different reasons but now hey don't anymore.

This is an assumption . "Back on the days" ... seriously , You ? I remember saying that stars were closer to each other earlier in the cosmic evolution of the universe and you claimed that since no one observed these things therefore they are assumptions . In the same vein , I can say the same thing : you are making assumptions that man has created moral system not God . You didn't experience these things ,therefore you are making assumptions . Its as simple as that .

You keep repeating this drivel, now you are sounding like a broken record. According to the bible God said he commited evil and repented from his evil acts. He confessed and repented according to the tale. So what exactly are you on about? Just follow the lead of your master William Craig and say that the writers of the bible were lying when they said God repented of his evil deeds. Claim that God did not tell them to write that as he did when he said same about the genocide and atrocities in the bible. Throw the bible under the bus like he did and rest.

How many times have I addressed this . God does not repent . Repent from what ? Refraining from making judgement or withholding judgement is what the repenting there means or showing mercy or giving the sinners another chance to change their ways .

Its like accusing a judge of being evil for ordering the execution of a criminal . And saying that a governor that pardons prisoners on Independence Day is repenting from evil . He is simply giving them a reprieve . They deserve their punishment for the evil they committed and he is being merciful on to them .

You are shamelessly empty

dalaman:

I didn't accuse God of being evil. He confessed he did evil and repented by his words. It's not an accusation. No where in the bible did God ever mention or claim to be the epitome of moral goodness. It is jut a lie formulated by christian apologist like William Craig and parrot by the likes of you. Where is the objective mral values and duties that your God has displayed and shown to abide by? Is it ever right to kill innocent childrenfor what they know nothing about?

It is crystal clear that you do not understand the argument . Objective moral values and duties exist . Whether there are subjective moral values or whether you think someone contravenes an act considered objective does not mean objective moral values and duties do not exist . Whether you think God committed evil or not , it does not mean objective morals values and duties do not exist .

Honestly sir , You do not understand the Moral Argument for God's existence . Go and understand what it means before objecting it .

I'm tired of dealing with the numerous red herrings and assumptions you've maid . You are just running from pillar to post without dealing with the crux of the argument .

Mr lie lie, I can see that you are pained. I told you to show me where I supported beastiality and you ran away because you can't. Now you are here again with your lies. When genocide, slavery, land grab and all forms of evil acts were acceptable your God was there spearheading hos men and giving injunctions on how it is to be carried out. Objective morality indeed. You are always empty.

KingEbukasBlog:


It is crystal clear that you do not understand the argument . Objective moral values and duties exist . Whether there are subjective moral values or whether you think someone contravenes an act considered objective does not mean objective moral values and duties do not exist . Whether you think God committed evil or not , it does not mean objective morals values and duties do not exist .

Honestly sir , You do not understand the Moral Argument for God's existence . Go and understand what it means before objecting it .

I'm tired of dealing with the numerous red herrings and assumptions you've maid . You are just running from pillar to post without dealing with the crux of the argument .

I understand the moral argument very well and I am stating that the God you are selling is not and can not be the source of this objective morality you are talking about. A God that supports slavery and sexism for example can never be the source of objective morality. You can't claim that there is an objective source of mathematics and when we look at that source of yours we see it expousing all sorts of wrong mathematics like 2+2=5.

dalaman:


I understand the moral argument very well and I am statung that the God you are selling is not and can not be the source of this objective morality you are talking about. A God that supports slavery and sexism for example can never be the source of objective morality. You can't claim that there is an objective source of mathematics and when we look at that source of yours we see it expousing all sorts of wrong mathematics Luke 2+2=5.

after winner01 destroyed your assertions on your inane slavery arguments you still repeat them . lmao !!!

where does the bible support sexism ? Ancient Israel 3000 years ago had Miriam, who led them in the absence of Moses during their struggles in the wilderness ; they had Deborah , a prophetess, warrior and judge; they celebrated the efforts of Queen Esther who prevented their annihilation in the hands of their enemies ; they also had powerful Queens like Jezebel . How many Western countries can boast of women in power in this modern era ? Can America do that?

How can a sexist society have powerful women lead them in battle , judge their moral behaviour and inquire from a supposed sexist God ? Unreasonable argument again !

Misinterpretation of scriptures , ignorance of history and half baked logic - all dalaman needs when he argues

KingEbukasBlog:


There are acts of love and kindness that are the same wherever you go . Care giving by a mother to a child is an act of love , taking care of your spouse is an act of love no matter the society, protecting a child from evil by loved ones and family is considered an act of love no matter the society . We also have an instinct for altruism . There is a concept called elevation whereby people are moved to help the less privileged people in need whenever they hear inspiring stories or see people help one another.

A mother taking care of her children is more of a biological function than a moral function because even insects and other lesser animals take very good care of their young ones. Taking care of the young is a natural function of animals and insects. How it is done is what varies from one species to another. Taking care of your wife varies as well. A man in Kano can marry 2 women, love them and take very good care of them, but the same act of love will get him arrested and imprisoned in Sweden regardless of his good intention and deeds towards the women.

[A study of our moral experience since the time humans came to being show that these strong inherited biases - love , care-giving , kindness- have helped us survive as a social community.

Humans have always created systems to help them achieve this things over time. We didn't start up like this. 2000 years ago were were'nt like this as humans. We were much more barbaric than we are now, but we had to refine our morals and ways to what it is now. The world is much more peaceful, safer and far less violent now than during the time of Jesus. Our morality has evolved alot. If these things are inherited then they'll be the same and wont be dependent on time.

I emboldened the word "might" because you are proving by assertion . You are making a lot of assumptions and using them as "refutations" . You don't even know with certitude if there are indeed varying definitions of the aforementioned . You are empty and shameless

I have given specific examples. I can love and marry two women and treat then very well here in Nigeria. I will be imprisoned for showing that same act of love and kindness by marrying two women in Sweden. So even acts of love and kindness vary from place to place. I used the word might because I didn't give a specific example on that.

Greed is the same in every society . Nobody applauds you for it . Because a political ideology is driven by greed does not mean it is accepted in any society . Communism was driven by the hate for people who believe in God . Does this make it right ?

It is not. Greed isn't the same in Saudi Arabia and the USA. The USA economy is predicated on the principle of greed and excessive consumerism. They government supports it and awards it. Compare it to SA Arabia where simple interest is prohibited.

This is an assumption . "Back on the days" ... seriously , You ? I remember saying that stars were closer to each other earlier in the cosmic evolution of the universe and you claimed that since no one observed these things therefore they are assumptions . In the same vein , I can say the same thing : you are making assumptions that man has created moral system not God . You didn't experience these things ,therefore you are making assumptions . Its as simple as that .

My simple objections is that it is not enough evidence to show that the universe had a beginning and is not eternal. I asked you if a time will come when there will be no universe and there will be nothing at all. You have refused to answer it at all.

How many times have I addressed this . God does not repent . Repent from what ? Refraining from making judgement or withholding judgement is what the repenting there means or showing mercy or giving the sinners another chance to change their ways .

Its like accusing a judge of being evil for ordering the execution of a criminal . And saying that a governor that pardons prisoners on Independence Day is repenting from evil . He is simply giving them a reprieve . They deserve their punishment for the evil they committed and he is being merciful on to them .

You are shamelessly empty

Mr lie lie. God repented from the evil he did. The bible said God repented for the evil he did. It is very clear. Judges do not repent and acknowledge that they did evil after punishing a criminal. The bible clearly had Yahweh acknowledging his evil deeds and repenting from it. "I repent me of the evil which I have done unto you" is what one of the verses says. You are bow trying to spin the repentence from evil to mean judgement. Judges do not repent from sentencing criminals. The passage has Yahweh saying he repented of his evil which he did unto the people and you are here try to spin it , Mr lie lie. Always empty and shameless.

KingEbukasBlog:


after winner01 destroyed your assertions on your inane slavery arguments you still repeat them . lmao !!!

where does the bible support sexism ? Ancient Israel 3000 years ago had Miriam, who led them in the absence of Moses during their struggles in the wilderness ; they had Deborah , a prophetess, warrior and judge; they celebrated the efforts of Queen Esther who prevented their annihilation in the hands of their enemies ; they also had powerful Queens like Jezebel . How many Western countries can boast of women in power in this modern era ? Can America do that?

Misinterpretation of scriptures , ignorance of history and half baked logic - all dalaman needs when he argues

Winner01 destroyed my arguments on slavery? . Someone that even acknowledged he failed by saying that there are somethings that God permits that we as humans can not understand and tried to use it as an excuse after I showed him in black and white how encouraged and accepted slavery in the bible.

Let me give you clear cases of sexism inside the bible as copied from the evilbible.com

Men are allowed to marry many wives but women are prohibited from doing that.

Leviticus 12:1-8 says that a woman has to be purified after giving birth because she is “unclean”. It goes on to say that birthing a male is cleaner then birthing a female, hence a mother must purify TWICE as long when having a daughter. This is BLATANT sexism from the point of birth. A woman is dirty simply for being a woman; this is obviously very biased and chauvinistic.


Leviticus 15:19-30 Explains that a woman having her menstruation must be avoided to the point of not even touching what she has touched. It is quite curious that women are punished for simply having a biological function that “God” claims to have created. What is so just about vilifying what you created?

Leviticus 18:19 Goes onto say that even LOOKING at a menstruating woman is wrong.


Leviticus 27:3-7 God places a monetary value on human life; with women worth less than men.

There are many more. A God that advocates for such sexism can not be the source of objective morality.

KingEbukasBlog:


after winner01 destroyed your assertions on your inane slavery arguments you still repeat them . lmao !!!

where does the bible support sexism ? Ancient Israel 3000 years ago had Miriam, who led them in the absence of Moses during their struggles in the wilderness ; they had Deborah , a prophetess, warrior and judge; they celebrated the efforts of Queen Esther who prevented their annihilation in the hands of their enemies ; they also had powerful Queens like Jezebel . How many Western countries can boast of women in power in this modern era ? Can America do that?

How can a sexist society have powerful women lead them in battle , judge their moral behaviour and inquire from a supposed sexist God ? Unreasonable argument again !

Misinterpretation of scriptures , ignorance of history and half baked logic - all dalaman needs when he argues

You are pointing to isolated circumstances in the bible to make a point. How is that different from when Muslims point to Aisha leading expeditions as proof that there is no sexism in Islam.

The bible clearly states in two different places in the NEW TESTAMENT that women should not be heard in church and that women are made for men. If that's not sexism, I don't know what is.

You people who claim to call yourselves 'atheists', always referring to ''the Bible, the Bible'' making references to 'your Bible'' and using the events therein as a focus of baseless arguments, pointing to the ones that favours your reasoning and using them against Christians.... Now, if you staunchly believe in the Bible's certain events to the point of accusing God of 'genocide, sexism bla bla & using them against Christians.... YET you dont believe in His existence, then you are guilty of Double Standard and you are all just ridiculously fooling yourselves. tsk tsk tsk what a shame! In your heads, you think you should believe those aspects that tend to lean towards your arguments about God, despite people like you, it would have been more convenient if all those events you are claiming 'genocide and repentance from evil' were never included in the Bible but hey, God is bigger than anyone and He is the Supreme Being, His words are ye and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword! He is God.
The Old Testament depicted God as a ''no-nonsense' God, who would defend His people against pagans and idol worshippers and those countries who didnt serve Him, bringing immediate judgement to those who trangressed. An unquestionabe God. A God of wonders. A God that kill & make alive. A God that used fire and water at seperate times to destroy the earth. You can't question Him, He is God. The Almighty. Yet meek, kind, slow to anger and easily forgive. [''Your sins I'll no longer remember'' ''As high as the Heaven is above the Earth so great is His love''] Now & from the New Testament, we enjoy Grace through Christ who died for us [''As far as the east is from the west, so far as He taken our sins from us'']. One question I'd ask; if God didnt create the universe, then who did?something must definitely come from someone

KingEbukasBlog:
Some atheists say that it is petty . Some of them say that it disproves the existence of God . Only if they could just relax and try to understand who God is or what His attributes are ? You may be wondering what this argument is . Its pretty funny . The small-minded atheist cannot fathom why God is so concerned with what humans who dwell in a 'little speck of cosmic dust' do

People like you should live long, and not only on earth but also on NL too. Thanks,so much dear.

IKC10:

People like you should live long, and not only on earth but also on NL too. Thanks,so much dear.

Ah . Amen oo .

You are welcome

KingEbukasBlog:


Ah . Amen oo .

You are welcome

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Muafrika2:
I saw your message
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. Alright then

Billyonaire:
God ? Why would anyone 'think' that God exists ? God DOES NOT NEED TO EXIST, Because God is EVERYTHING. Oh, that was so generic. I do not like to use the word God. Because it is a term coined to show Superiority of one Entity over another. Like Tinubu being a GODfather of Fashola, Buhari and Ambode. He does not OWN them, but yet He Saw to it that they became what they are; I digressed please forgive me.

Now;

You can not know spiritual things (occurencies outside the 7 colors produced by the UV spectrum of Light. We have 24colours but can only see 7 because dark energy falls outside the UV spectrum of visible light). We are limited. Nature is unlimited. God exist as UNKNOWABLE UNKNOWN as long as we live on 3D plane. But I know a man who is typing this message is a 5D entity and he is more aware and he says Spirituality is Physics not yet understood by Humans stucked on 3D. Quantum Physics has to marry Science of Consciousness then you will understand that GOD is a limited word to call the totality of all that exists, the CAUSE and SOURCE of Energy.

So when next you meet an atheist, tell them that Billyonaire was atheist for over a decade and has gone beyond Astro and Quantum Dynamics and I state as follows;

That Energy, can not be created Nor Destroyed. Everything is energy at diverse frequencies and wavelengths. The world does not need God to exist, but the CAUSE and SOURCE of Energy is UNKNOWN. That UNKNOWN is called GOD. That is what we are when we loose consciousness at sleep. IT wakes us up every morning to experience life. Yet IT experience Life through IT. We are IT. We are Gods and children of MOST HIGH, so when we say God is everywhere, what we are saying is that God is seeing the world through the eyes of John in USA, Jerry at London. Okechukwu at Biafra. Mohammed at Nigeria. Eto at Cameroun, Kotov at Russia etc etc. God is US at different places, that is what is meant by God is everywhere and he sees through our eyes. So, ponder no more on who sees when we look, who feels great when we dance. Who enjoys when we have sex. Who hears when we listen. It has been GOD all along. We are merely bodies that SPIRIT occupies, that is why we are called Vessels or vehicles. We are ETs living on Earth bound spacesuit and at death we drop the body and move on to different planet. Our Home Planet. We are living, breathing, eating robots. And reproduction is a art of body making for more SPIRITS to occupy.

Know this truth and enjoy LIFE like me.

Want to ask a question, if you said God is UNKNOWN then why should we care about something UNKNOWN? Why are you trying to prove something UNKNOWN?

tintingz:
Want to ask a question, if you said God is UNKNOWN then why should we care about something UNKNOWN? Why are you trying to prove something UNKNOWN?

That is the entire puzzle. If we solved the puzzle, life becomes boring. So, in order to keep people excited in the hide and seek game, the God contract was invented by us. We are just androids, a machine that soul drives around. We are not our body, our body is just a machine, a robot. The controls are outside of planet. We are a RAT powered androids of some sort. We are operating ourselves from somewhere outside of our known surface of the Earth. That is where we go when we are asleep. The Unknown, because we can't give it a name than God, and we are it, at our core.

Billyonaire:
That is the entire puzzle. If we solved the puzzle, life becomes boring. So, in order to keep people excited in the hide and seek game, the God contract was invented by us. We are just androids, a machine that soul drives around. We are not our body, our body is just a machine, a robot. The controls are outside of planet. We are a RAT powered androids of some sort. We are operating ourselves from somewhere outside of our known surface of the Earth. That is where we go when we are asleep. The Unknown, because we can't give it a name than God, and we are it, at our core.

Good, so if the UNKNOWN want us to puzzle about it/his UNKNOWN does that means the UNKNOWN care about our affair that he doesn't want us to be bored?

I'm confused.

randomperson:

So if you're imprisoned because of something your great grandfather did, it will be okay

D poverty u r enjoying now, is it not from your fathers?

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