RichyBlacK:

Another example of an Igbo son in slave captivity, living the life that fate had dealt him: Olaudah Equiano

See:
1. His Wikipedia entry.
2. The Life of Olaudah Equiano by Olaudah Equiano - originally published in 1814.

Excerpts:
1. His autobiography depicted the horrors of slavery and helped influence British lawmakers to abolish the slave trade through the Slave Trade Act of 1807. Despite his enslavement as a young man, [size=14pt]he purchased his freedom[/size] and worked as a seaman, merchant and explorer in South America, the Caribbean, the Arctic, the American colonies and the United Kingdom.

2. "Equiano's Narrative was so richly structured that it became the prototype of the nineteenth-century slave narrative."
--Henry Louis Gates, Jr. (Alphonse Fletcher University Professor at Harvard University)

3. Compelling work traces the formidable journey of an Igbo prince from captivity to freedom and literacy and recounts his enslavement in the New World, service in the Seven Years War with General Wolfe in Canada, voyages to the Arctic with the Phipps expedition of 1772–73, six months among the Miskito Indians in Central America, and a grand tour of the Mediterranean as a personal servant to an English gentlemen. Skillfully written, with a wealth of engrossing detail, this powerful narrative deftly illustrates the nature of the black experience in slavery.

henry101:

^^^
He was trying to prove that the slave trade didnt help, but made it difficult to know the connections between the Egbas and the Igbos.

asha 80:

You guys have derailed from the thread.

onye_ngbu:

Below is what Katsumoto said to adigun,
I applaud your attempts at being neutral but there is no need to perform a balancing act. Just present facts as facts and your opinions as opinions.

I have been reading your claimed betrayal of ndi igbo by ZIk and I have wondered whether you consider your source as being a factual source until I saw you wrote this.
This guy is supposedly presenting his opinion just like your source have presented his opinion that ZIK betrayed igbos. It is not necessarily facts. Wasnt it the same guy that claimed that Ifeajuna and Zik were cousins?

Have you considered the possibility that ZIk was actually trying another alternative to stop the igbo sufferings when he went to Nigeria? Why do you keep posting it all over the forum as if that is the only way you can change ndi igbo's perception of Awolowo.

onye_ngbu:

You have ended up repeating what you have been doing.

All your sources are from web pages where an individual like you made their entries as to what their own opinion of of Zik was. Not necessarily FACTS.

However in all this, one thing you don't seem to point out in all your sources is that they all made it clear that Zik supported the war at first but when he realized that it was hopeless, threw his support  to the federal government.
My question to you is: In what manner did he threw the support that amounted to a betrayal.

I cannot see anywhere it was said that Zik betrayed igbos. I need you to make it clear how he betrayed the igbos.
Obviously, not verbally supporting the war will not be taken well by the igbos but that did not in any way contribute to the sufferings of the igbos.

Any igbo person that accuse Awolowo of betraying igbos will point out to you his direct actions that dealt great blows to igbos unlike ZIk.

Why do you keep comparing the two.

Katsumoto:

RichyBlack
Your point is mute. Many slaves paid for their freedom; Igbo, Yoruba, Asante, Wolof, Mandingo, etc
You can not refute the argument that Igbo did not export their religion during slavery by claiming that the Igbo were busy paying for their freedom. You listed only two accounts (with debatable origins anyway). Unless you can prove that while the Yoruba slaves were practising their religion, ALL the Igbo slaves were gaining their freedom. We know that did not happen.

Take for instance, one of the most popular freed slaves, Bishop Ajayi Crowther. He was captured in present day Oyo. I will not bore you with his story; I assume we are all familiar with that. There were numerous Yoruba slaves who gained their freedom as well and returned home. Please see below

From the mid-nineteenth century, freed Yorùbá slaves started returning to Lagos in waves first from Brazil and then from Sierra Leone. In 1847, Oba Kòsókó of Lagos sent his close friend and adviser Chief Oshòdì Tápà to South America to invite slaves with Yorùbá ancestry to return home. The trip yielded results in 1851 when 130 expatriates arrived in Lagos. By 1861 when Lagos formally became a British colony, the number of returnees had risen to about 3,000. The Brazilian expatriates brought with them skills in masonry, carpentry, and tailoring, a strong Catholic faith, and extensive Portuguese cultural traits.

Sierra Leonean expatriates, or Saros, mainly of Ègbá origins in present-day Abéòkúta in Ògùn State of Nigeria, started returning to Lagos in trickles about 1838. The reigning Oba Kòsókó did very little to make them feel welcome, so it was not until 1852 after Oba Kòsókó had been deposed by the British and replaced by Oba Akíntóyè, that Saros returned to Lagos in large numbers. They numbered about 2,500 by 1861 and were granted land in a district on the island still known as Saro Town.

http://www.city-data.com/world-cities/Lagos-History.html

RichyBlacK:

Katsumoto,

Your argument is moot. Ajayi Crowther was not a slave in the Americas and never left the shores of Africa, unlike Archibald Monteath and Olaudah Equiano. Ajayi Crowther NEVER bought his freedom, like Archibald Monteath and Olaudah Equiano did, as it was the British Navy that freed the Portuguese ship he was on. I don't see how you can make a comparison.

Also, returned slaves were of diverse ethnic backgrounds, or are trying to claim that they were mostly of a single ethnic group?

In addition, there is no dispute about Archibald Monteath's ethnic background. As regards Olaudah Equiano's background, the dispute concerning his origin is induced. He was a strong supporter of the abolitionist movement and many slave traders started disputing his works, person, origin and background so as to discredit him. Olaudah Equiano (aka Gustavus Vassa) was Igbo.

In addition, there is no dispute about Archibald Monteath's ethnic background. As regards Olaudah Equiano's background, the dispute concerning his origin is induced. He was a strong supporter of the abolitionist movement and many slave traders started disputing his works, person, origin and background so as to discredit him. Olaudah Equiano (aka Gustavus Vassa) was Igbo.

The link I gave you indicates several thousands of Yoruba slaves returning to Lagos.

Mekusxyz:

Wetin concern una with Igbo and Yoruba slaves? People are discussing contemporary (1960-date) topics you guys are dragging yourselves 500 years back. Primitive people indeed

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Sefago
and you think these biafra kids will listen to you with their s t u p i d theory.i'm surprised to see that lazy murder-ator richyblack strectching his muscle just to defend biafra.

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akigbemaru:

We kept bringing all these to let ibo people get out of their kleptomaniac altitude. When Hausa, Oyo, Ife, Ashati empires reigned, nobody heard about anything ibo then. You people just think you can come from nowhere to claim our glories. Just because we let you encroach on our culture?

This one below is the "Yeye website" (wey una dey cry say na Ibos be the majority of slaves in America), but why is it that when we go across South America is Yoruba culture everywhere? I can name more than 50 spanish whites who claimed to be Yoruba by heritage, right from Carlos Santana the guitarist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keZXlDZlluI (Ibos want everybody in both South American and North American to go do DNA test. When you never count those in your domain finish, you ran offshore to find people join una.
[q]
We Yorubas thanks all una Ibos for una backstabbings, we no even dey feel am again cos na blessings for us. A LOT OF AFRICAN AMERICANS THINK THEY HAVE NATIVE AMERICAN ANCESTRY, BUT NOT NECESSARY TRUE.
THIS WAS DISPROVED BY Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr (You and I know this professor, he just got arrested with having slurs with white police and later dined with Obama in White House.)
To cut my story short, this professor along with Morgan Freeman and Chris Turker, did DNA research and found out that most Black Americans are Yoruba decent.
Check this link below, and see a grown lady who in all her life thought she had indian heritage. The professor Henry Lious told her in 2.44 that she was from Yoruba tribe down.



Akigbemarun, Y r U ranting here like a wounded lion?
Wetin happen?
Did anybody force Bishop T. D Jakes, Forest Whitaker, Clair Underwood, Edward wilmot Blyden, President Edward James Roye, Africanus Horton, Olaudah Equiano, Simon Jonas, Rev. John Christopher Taylor to claim Igbo ancestry.
Are these guys not old enough to choose where they come from?
Shay Na Igbo people dey their own b4 dis guys came calling.
Chill out ok and celebrate Nigeria's qualification to the semi- Finals.
Peace Out.

Mekusxyz:

Akigbemaru,

I hate to do this because it is way back in time and contributes nothing to me and my mission on NL, but do some reading here, if you may.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_American

And what do you mean by Igbo kleptomania? EFCC list of corrupt Nigerians is still fresh. Hahahah!

To cut my story short, this professor along with Morgan Freeman and Chris Turker, did DNA research and found out that most Black Americans are Yoruba decent.

Akigbemaru,

I hate to do this because it is way back in time and contributes nothing to me and my mission on NL

SEFAGO:

Na lie.

Katsumoto, mekusxyz is correct, a large number of african americans are of igbo descent. It makes a lot of sense though. The Wikipedia article is slightly solid.

Ok, back to topic.

Chill out ok and celebrate Nigeria's qualification to the semi- Finals.
Peace Out