netotse:

na wa o. . .see nigerians openly advocating illegal ish, then when ppl start insulting us we'll be complaining. . .

@manmustwac
i'm reporting this thread, not cos i hv anything against you, but cos i think it'll be sending the wrong idea about nigerians in general. besides who knows if ECO's are monitoring NL sef. . .

oyewolejos:

UK sucks. From 20 hours to 10 hours and u have to travel to Nigeria to get married as so they can deny the visa right?They must be kidding. Long Live USA.No wonder there are loads of Nigerians coming from UK to US because of the strict system.Yankee is Land of the free.If you are illegal and u are not into crime then u can live here as long as u like because major cities here are santuary cities which is illegal for police to ask for your immigration status unlike in UK where i learnt UKBA come and pick u at home for deportation.Here u don't have to return to Naija to get married.After the marriage when u file in your petition they give u Work permit to work pending the time they approve your papers.They would call u for interview after some months and if successful they give u the conditional green card which after 2 years u are still married they would give u 10 years Permanent greencard and a year after that u can file for citizenship.So the marriage would only last for 2 years.
If your friend has the means she can come to America and get her papers.She would only transfer her credits to a college here.It is easier for girls to get papers than for a guy.Also, she can easily get a visa from UK than from Naija.If she want to go to Naija for the marriage she's on a Long Thing cos they would definitely refuse her and she won't be able to return.
Why must Nigerians continue to waste their time in UK especially the illegals.Come yankee and see things for youyrself.

justwise:

@oyewolejos

I don't know much about America system but i'm sure somebody here is going to challenge you in some of the claims u made here about America and how easy its for illegals there.

oyewolejos:
If you are illegal and u are not into crime then u can live here as long as u like because major cities here are santuary cities which is illegal for police to ask for your immigration status unlike in UK where i learnt UKBA come and pick u at home for deportation.

Here u don't have to return to Naija to get married.After the marriage when u file in your petition they give u Work permit to work pending the time they approve your papers.They would call u for interview after some months and if successful they give u the conditional green card which after 2 years u are still married they would give u 10 years Permanent greencard and a year after that u can file for citizenship.So the marriage would only last for 2 years.

If your friend has the means she can come to America and get her papers.

She would only transfer her credits to a college here. It is easier for girls to get papers than for a guy. Also, she can easily get a visa from UK than from Naija.If she want to go to Naija for the marriage she's on a Long Thing cos they would definitely refuse her and she won't be able to return.
Why must Nigerians continue to waste their time in UK especially the illegals.Come yankee and see things for youyrself.

heryyy:

Yes she knows about it and i am not hiding anything from her,she knows i am doing this to secure our future,we are still both young,i am 25yrs and she is 21,its all about understanding

july123:

Word.

JeSoul:

Lol, reporting for duty Justwise!

   It is true many major cities have adopted the "sanctuary city" policy in which city employees are instructed NOT to report to the authorities if a person is illegal. This way illegal aliens get to enjoy city services that citizens and permanent residents have. Exhibit A: California I think has the largest amount of sanctuary cities - one of the reasons they are now bankrupt carrying the weight of illegal aliens who don't pay taxes or contribute to the system but simply take. Another issue anyways . . .
  Slow down . . . lol. 1st, if you entered the country illegally in the first place, then all the above goes out the window. You'll have to leave and apply from outside (this is part of what the whole "Amnesty for illegals" was about). Also if you're already in "Removal Proceedings" (aka deportation proceedings) your case goes before a jugde not just an immigration official - BIG difference. You'll have to hire a lawyer and the whole shebang. Secondly, it is definitely NOT automatic you get a work permit. What most people do is work with someone else's papers while waiting for their own to go through. I personally haven't seen or known anyone who got a work permit while waiting for their green card esp if they already had expired visas. Of course they can always work under-the-table as many do. Thirdly, the interview process is not a cakewalk as many people think. Immigration officials are getting wiser by the day, and are getting more proficient in being able to pick out pretenders from genuinely married people. This is my experience from Massachusetts though, I dunno how different/similar/easier/harder it is in other states.
You make it sound like its so easy! lol If I count for you how many people I've seen suffering for years without any luck. One I know of has been here 17yrs! he has tried a few times yet one thing or the other pops up.
You forgot to mention how much it costs for these "marriages". Easily $10,000 in few cases I've heard of. Not to mention the regular pay-ups in order to keep them in the "marriage" and show up for immigration interviews.

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My advice? Manmuswack, as much as you care for your friend, don't do it. Encourage her to seek other alternatives as this will leave a huge impact on you during and long after its done. Help her out in any other way you can but not like this.

justwise:

@JeSoul

Thanks for clearing that up, i knew those claims were way out of place

justwise:

@oyewolejos

I don't know much about America system but i'm sure somebody here is going to challenge you in some of the claims u made here about America and how easy its for illegals there.

oyewolejos:

They would call u for interview after some months and if successful they give u the conditional green card which after 2 years u are still married they would give u 10 years Permanent greencard and a year after that u can file for citizenship.So the marriage would only last for 2 years.

netotse:

na wa o. . .see nigerians openly advocating illegal ish, then when ppl start insulting us we'll be complaining. . .

@manmustwac
i'm reporting this thread, not cos i hv anything against you, but cos i think it'll be sending the wrong idea about nigerians in general. besides who knows if ECO's are monitoring NL sef. . .

tpia.:


its actually relatively easy like he pointed out. At least compared to other ways of getting legal stay, save for the lottery thingy.
Thats why green card marriages are so common. And the man usually stays only till he gets his papers.

However, people are beginning to wise up to these issues and get cranky about them.
Not sure if the US can follow Britain's example since its not only Africans/Nigerians engaging in such unions. Every nationality does it.

see am :

gongo aso:

nah, she dint clear it up, she more or less buoyed up the claims.
and in no way are the claims out of place.
truth be told, though risky a bit, that's the ways things are literally in the US if u wanna go down that path.
though not exactly in black and white[b] if u grab[/b]

gongo aso:

and what is illegal about getting married and staying back in your spouse's country     
since the law permits that, what is the illegal 'ish' being advocated 

justwise:

Ok, i never knew, all along i thought USA is harder and more complicated than the UK. Thanks for the insight

netotse:

so you happen not too notice the people advocating bigamy and 'arrangee' marriage on the thread?. . .nıgga please!

tpia.:


its actually relatively easy like he pointed out. At least compared to other ways of getting legal stay, save for the lottery thingy.

JeSoul:


Yeah Justwise, I think Tpia captured it right, it is "relatively" easy when compared to other countries. But by no means does it mean its as easy as our brother was implying.

People are arrested for "marriage fraud" all the time, it seems almost yearly a story comes out of naija central in Houston. It is far from a cakewalk, stamp guarantee. People should not be misled that it is.

JeSoul:


Yeah Justwise, I think Tpia captured it right, it is "relatively" easy when compared to other countries. But by no means does it mean its as easy as our brother was implying.

People are arrested for "marriage fraud" all the time, it seems almost yearly a story comes out of naija central in Houston. It is far from a cakewalk, stamp guarantee. People should not be misled that it is.

oyewolejos:

Why do u keep changing your goal post?Firstly u said there is no where employment authorization is granted to people awaiting the outcome of their Green Card application but i replied u on a point of law. Secondly u said if your visa has expired u can never file for Green Card but i discredit your statement with a proof.To save u from shame u now said is not easy as i implied. If things are hard for u doesn't mean it can be hard for someone else.It all rest on mother luck and your spouse. Visa interview at the Embassy in Nigeria is not easy but people still get their visa without any issues.
Is only a fool that will doubt a proof.
Try as much as possible to stand on your ground.I do give a flying kick at people that cannot stand by their words.

oyewolejos:

before i say anything try check this http://www.immihelp.com/greencard/familybasedimmigration/persons-in-us.html. You raised more issues for yourself.
Firstly you said u don't know where they issue Employment Authorization Document to people awaiting the outcome of their petition. This from is called 1-765 Application for employment authorization. This can be filed with your Petition when you submit your application.  After 2 or 3 weeks they would send you the Employment Authorization which u can use to apply for Social Security Card which would enable you to work. Even if your Visa has expired so far you enter this country legally and was admitted u can file for green card.

After the marriage when u file in your petition[b] they give u Work permit to work [/b] pending the time they approve your papers

The bottom line is if u enter illegally whether through another person passport or cross the border then u can never never file but if your visa has expired more than a decade ago u can file.

1st, if you entered the country illegally in the first place, then all the above goes out the window. You'll have to leave and apply from outside

Don't confuse people here. Your knowledge on this issue might be limited due to the fact that the people u know entered illegally.[b] U said it cost $10,000.U miss it totally.If u know your game very well the most would be $5,000.[/b]On the interview, it can be difficult sometimes especially when the couple are from different race but is not rocket science.U might be lucky to be asked just a single question but sometimes u might be drilled for a long time. Most people here always think getting a Green Card is freaking difficult so they are handicapped due to the fear of the unknown. Next time don't know here and tell us half truth come with facts to back your claims up.
I rest my case.

Perhaps the most easily detectable type of marriage fraud is when a fee — typically between $5,000 and $10,000 — is paid to the American to marry a foreign national who wishes to live in the United States or already does, but needs to regulate his or her legal status. An officer with experience in an Andean country in South America told me that the going rate for a bogus marriage there is $5,000, while officers with experience in the Pacific Rim report that many intending immigrants will pay up to $20,000 to marry an American. There are undoubtedly some “fixers” able to find plausible American spouses for foreigners willing to pay cash, but it often is difficult for the fixers to make believable matches between foreigners willing to pay and Americans desperate enough for cash that they’ll sell their hand in marriage.

suxes2005:

othsisi,

is it a crime for him to come online and ask
such question and moreover he believed we r
Nigerians and we can give him gud advice.

So dnt kill him online. OK?

Anyways, I fink in Usa u can av your way as
i heard d place is big and its land of the free
so far u dnt commit any illegal stuff,

Wherever u r on dis planet earth,
know dat u can always av your way as fings dat
is hard for some1 else might be easier for you
to get

SHALOM

0hsisi:

manmustwac,are you out of your mind?
don't you know what you're just about to do is a crime punishable by law
and you have the impetus to voice it out online?
jehovah shammah!!
na so Naija criminality don dey sotay people go sidon dey discus their 419 plans in an open forum.
Udinekeudi!
Go and help her rob a bank too,she needs pound sterlings

oyewolejos:


2 years

manmustwac,

Its not advisable you do a arrangee marriage with her!

First of all, You have to show evidence of communication with the lady b4 a dependant visa is given for 2 yrs

I hope you know how much it costs to get a divorce in UK.    No be small money oooo and besides it takes time for a case to be decided!

Secondly, The system has a way of getting into pple especially some naijas in uk; What gives you the impression once you marry her she wont change and refuse to get divorced.     

UK has got record keeping; it will forever be on record that you were a divorcee, how will you feel about that; If you were to fill forms and always had to tick the divorcee section?

I m certain It will affect your future plans![b] Do not get your hands burnt if u have Genuine interest in marrying another person later.     
[/b]It could backfire

netotse:

na wa o. . .see nigerians openly advocating illegal ish, then when ppl start insulting us we'll be complaining. . .

@manmustwac
i'm reporting this thread, not cos i hv anything against you, but cos i think it'll be sending the wrong idea about nigerians in general. besides who knows if ECO's are monitoring NL sef. . .

JeSoul:

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My advice? Manmuswack, as much as you care for your friend, don't do it. Encourage her to seek other alternatives as this will leave a huge impact on you during and long after its done. Help her out in any other way you can but not like this.