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Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by WetinConsignMe: 9:56am On Oct 29, 2017
9jaDoc:


My man, how dare u try to compare Zik of Africa with Awo of Ibadan when it comes to parochialism and tribalism. Did Zik form or was he involved in forming anything Igbo?

Nobody has ever tried to equate Zik with Awo when it comes nationalism. They were not in the same league at all. Not even close. Zik was clearly thinking Africa while Awo was thinking Ibadan. As Unongo rightly said Zik started in US, thinking Africa. While Awo started in UK, thinking Oduduwa. Zik's paper was called "West African Pilot". Awo's paper, Tribune, could easily have been called "Ibadan Pilot".

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Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by Maduawuchukwu(m): 10:06am On Oct 29, 2017
ElsonMorali:


You are only fooling yourselves If you think Awolowo caused the starvation of those kids. Go and dust your history books.

Show me the pictures of underfed biafran soldiers or underfed children of Ojukwu and the other elites like Chinua Achebe.

I'm waiting for the pics...

The war would have ended anyway, with the Igbos decimated to a quarter or even less of their original number.

Maybe someone like you won't be alive today If your grandparents had been killed in the war If it had dragged on a few more months.

You have Awolowo to thank for your existence.

If Awolowo's blockage of food entering Biafra was him being helpful to Biafrans why dont the world powers do the same when they engage in wars eg Iraqi and Afghanistan war? Starvation is a crime against humanity and there is no excuse for it. You can as well abort an unborn child and claim you were doing him good as you prevented him/her from experiencing the pains of being a human being.

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Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by Mujtahida: 10:10am On Oct 29, 2017
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Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by 9jaDoc(f): 10:36am On Oct 29, 2017
ElsonMorali:


You are only fooling yourselves If you think Awolowo caused the starvation of those kids. Go and dust your history books.

Show me the pictures of underfed biafran soldiers
or underfed children of Ojukwu and the other elites like Chinua Achebe.

I'm waiting for the pics...

The war would have ended anyway, with the Igbos decimated to a quarter or even less of their original number.

Maybe someone like you won't be alive today If your grandparents had been killed in the war If it had dragged on a few more months.

You have Awolowo to thank for your existence.

At bolded. Are these underfed enough for ya?

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Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by Leez(m): 10:38am On Oct 29, 2017
9jaDoc:
grin grin grin Elson wee not like this
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by WetinConsignMe: 11:21am On Oct 29, 2017
Maduawuchukwu:


If Awolowo's blockage of food entering Biafra was him being helpful to Biafrans why dont the world powers do the same when they engage in wars eg Iraqi and Afghanistan war? Starvation is a crime against humanity and there is no excuse for it. You can as well abort an unborn child and claim you were doing him good as you prevented him/her from experiencing the pains of being a human being.

I tend to agree with you. Awo got carried away. The worst part is preventing humanitarian organizations who were ready to risk their lives to go in to feed the children, preventing them from going in.
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by GhanaMustGoo: 11:28am On Oct 29, 2017
WetinConsignMe:


I tend to agree with you. Awo got carried away. The worst part is preventing humanitarian organizations who were ready to risk their lives to go in to feed the children, preventing them from going in.

There should be a worldwide.law making this illegal, making it a war crime punishable by life imprisonment.
There should be a guaranteed avenue to make sure they leave children out if their wars
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by Malawian(m): 3:25pm On Oct 29, 2017
9jaDoc:


That Ogundipe was one funny guy. While Ojukwu was busy still insisting Ogundipe must be head of state he had already ran to UK and no one heard a peep from him after that.
on another note, let it not be like this Nnamdi Kanu own that they are telling us he has ran to London, who actually saw Brigadier Ogundipe in London?
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by 9jaDoc(f): 5:42pm On Oct 29, 2017
Malawian:

on another note, let it not be like this Nnamdi Kanu own that they are telling us he has ran to London, who actually saw Brigadier Ogundipe in London?

Ogundipe was a soldier, the highest ranking at that, with an army at his command. All he had to do was assert that command as Ironsi did. Nnamdi is not a soldier and has no command over anybody. See, comparing apples and cars.
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by 9jaDoc(f): 5:48pm On Oct 29, 2017
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Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by WetinConsignMe: 6:13pm On Oct 29, 2017
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Malawian:

on another note, let it not be like this Nnamdi Kanu own that they are telling us he has ran to London, who actually saw Brigadier Ogundipe in London?


9jaDoc:

Ogundipe was a soldier, the highest ranking at that, with an army at his command. All he had to do was assert that command as Ironsi did. Nnamdi is not a soldier and has no command over anybody. See, comparing apples and cars.

It has been stated over and over again that Ojukwu was not the ambitious person people try to paint him to be and as a matter of fact he fought a war that the yorubas would have fought but for Brig Gen Ogundipe refusing to take over command as the most senior surviving army officer when Gen Ironsi was killed and that was normal military protocol.

Ojukwu never waged a war against Nigeria, he simply insisted that Brig Gen Ogundipe should take over as the president which was right thinking.

That single mistake by Brig Gen Ogundipe led to the many problems we have had in Nigeria where the North sees itself as the most qualified region to lead Nigeria since they got away with that major blunder.

People tend to forget that both the Eastern Region and the the Federal Government more or less ran parallel government for about one full year including the famous Aburi accord that Gowon signed but Britain encouraged and advised him not to implement.

Those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat the same mistake again.

Talking about who a true hero is then talk about Fajuyi who chose death even when he had a chance to remain alive when Ironsi was about being killed. He stood by his guest and commander in chief even in the face of death even though he was a Yoruba man. He remains one of the bravest Nigerians and will continue to earn the respect of all well meaning Nigerians.

Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by WetinConsignMe: 6:34pm On Oct 29, 2017
Malawian:

on another note, let it not be like this Nnamdi Kanu own that they are telling us he has ran to London, who actually saw Brigadier Ogundipe in London?

Critics have against him his refusal to succeed General Ironsi who was murdered during the 1966 coup, blaming the resulting massacres as the consequence of his refusal...

After the coup, he left Nigeria for the United Kingdom where he was Nigeria’s representative at the 1966 Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting and thereafter, Nigeria’s High Commissioner to the United Kingdom until August 1970.

He died in London on November 20, 1971.
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Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by GhanaMustGoo: 10:39pm On Oct 29, 2017
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Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by GhanaMustGoo: 10:40pm On Oct 29, 2017
WetinConsignMe:
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It has been stated over and over again that Ojukwu was not the ambitious person people try to paint him to be and as a matter of fact he fought a war that the yorubas would have fought but for Brig Gen Ogundipe refusing to take over command as the most senior surviving army officer when Gen Ironsi was killed and that was normal military protocol.

Ojukwu never waged a war against Nigeria, he simply insisted that Brig Gen Ogundipe should take over as the president which was right thinking.

That single mistake by Brig Gen Ogundipe led to the many problems we have had in Nigeria where the North sees itself as the most qualified region to lead Nigeria since they got away with that major blunder.

People tend to forget that both the Eastern Region and the the Federal Government more or less ran parallel government for about one full year including the famous Aburi accord that Gowon signed but Britain encouraged and advised him not to implement.

Those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat the same mistake again.

Talking about who a true hero is then talk about Fajuyi who chose death even when he had a chance to remain alive when Ironsi was about being killed. He stood by his guest and commander in chief even in the face of death even though he was a Yoruba man. He remains one of the bravest Nigerians and will continue to earn the respect of all well meaning Nigerians.

Bros, sofly sofly o before u rubbish our hypothesis that Yorubas are cowards.
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by 9jaDoc(f): 10:46pm On Oct 29, 2017
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Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by 9jaDoc(f): 10:47pm On Oct 29, 2017
GhanaMustGoo:


Bros, sofly sofly o before u rubbish our hypothesis that Yorubas are cowards.

I've never bought into that "Yorubas are cowards" nonsense. How about Fela. And Shoyinka. Who else? Yorubas in the house.
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by GhanaMustGoo: 10:51pm On Oct 29, 2017
9jaDoc:


I've never bought into that "Yorubas are cowards" nonsense. How about Fela. And Shoyinka. Who else? Yorubas in the house.

But there are always exceptions. That doesn't nean the general theory is wrong.
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by Ofemannnu: 10:52pm On Oct 29, 2017
9jaDoc:


Ogundipe was a soldier, the highest ranking at that, with an army at his command. All he had to do was assert that command as Ironsi did. Nnamdi is not a soldier and has no command over anybody. See, comparing apples and cars.
But Awolowo was a soldier that would make Yoruba go their separate ways because he promised ojuku he would do just that with the battalions under his command...no wonder..1921..lol

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Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by 9jaDoc(f): 10:53pm On Oct 29, 2017
GhanaMustGoo:


But there are always exceptions. That doesn't nean the general theory is wrong.

Well, I've dealt with some cowardly Igbos too,to be honest.
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by GhanaMustGoo: 10:56pm On Oct 29, 2017
9jaDoc:


Well, I've dealt with some cowardly Igbos too,to be honest.

We are talking about the vast majority
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by WetinConsignMe: 10:58pm On Oct 29, 2017
GhanaMustGoo:


We are talking about the vast majority

When did u take a sampling of the vast majority of Yorubas and determined they r cowards
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by Ofemannnu: 11:00pm On Oct 29, 2017
9jaDoc:

Well, I've dealt with some cowardly Igbos t oo,to be honest.
lol...these your 3 monickers make you look dumb,I am sorry.
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by Ofemannnu: 11:01pm On Oct 29, 2017
9jaDoc:

Well, I've dealt with some cowardly Igbos t oo,to be honest.
lol...these your 3 monickers make you look dumb,I am sorry.
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by GhanaMustGoo: 11:03pm On Oct 29, 2017
WetinConsignMe:


When did.u take a sampling of the vast majority of Yorubas and determined they r cowards

Like, Dangote.is.from the North. Doesn't change the fact that vast majority of Hausas.are poor - and.don't mind staying poor.
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by WetinConsignMe: 11:20pm On Oct 29, 2017
Ofemannnu:

lol...these your 3 monickers make you look dumb,I am sorry.
What r u talking about. Everybody is not like u. Some people r actually honest. I know its hard 4 u to believe.
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by 9jaDoc(f): 11:20pm On Oct 29, 2017
Ofemannnu:

But Awolowo was a soldier that would make Yoruba go their separate ways because he promised ojuku he would do just that with the battalions under his command...no wonder..1921..lol

Awo had Banjo's army and other Yoruba soldiers.
Bros, can't you Yorubas see there were two Awo's. The Awo before the war was the heroic Awo.
Awo was a socialist but became corrupted by oil money. Read that his leaders of thought speech of May 1967 That was the old Awo, the heroic Awo.
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by 9jaDoc(f): 11:23pm On Oct 29, 2017
GhanaMustGoo:


Like, Dangote.is.from the North. Doesn't change the fact that vast majority of Hausas.are poor - and.don't mind staying poor.

But poverty can be quantified. You can't quantify cowardice. You are just saying what u believe. What you want to believe
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by 9jaDoc(f): 11:24pm On Oct 29, 2017
WetinConsignMe:


When did u take a sampling of the vast majority of Yorubas and determined they r cowards

Exactly
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by GhanaMustGoo: 11:28pm On Oct 29, 2017
9jaDoc:


Exactly

You guys win. Gotta call it a night. Back to work tomorrow
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by 9jaDoc(f): 11:30pm On Oct 29, 2017
GhanaMustGoo:


You guys win. Gotta call it a night. Back to work tomorrow

Nighty night. Here in Madagascar it is still 1pm
Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by WetinConsignMe: 1:27am On Oct 30, 2017
9jaDoc:


I've never bought into that "Yorubas are cowards" nonsense. How about Fela. And Shoyinka. Who else? Yorubas in the house.

Exactly. Someone like Soyinka has been courageously challenging authority for ever. So did Fela, even calling soldiers zombies while their guns were pointed at him.

Re: 10 Awolowo Controversies: Are They Justifiable? by WetinConsignMe: 1:27am On Oct 30, 2017
I'm surprised how respectfully they were arresting him. If today, heavily armed police with handcuffs

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