agaugust:

Disputed by head of defense ministry.

Why have 18 pilots for 26 Gripens? Shows you have a real shortage existing ! No smoke without fire !



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Because it is a project. A continuing one.

Not just simply introducing new hardware into the defence force.

As we speak the Gripen is undergoing OT&E.

South Africa now supplies components and soon armaments for the Gripen. This possible through the DIP.

One Gripen is stationed at the TDFC. You'll see SAAF integrating systems designed for the African battlefield.

DieVluit:

Trollgate can point to no dead mortar victims in South Africa..

finally we getting somewhere. so who's shelling your peaceful neighborhood? does casualty figure matter when shells are fired indiscriminately in suburbs at a time of no militant struggle?

still playing the dunce eh

SANDF IS GEARING UP FOR WAR....NIGERIA WE CUMING THE TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM.....IF YALL ARE WISE THEN LEARN HOW DOES THE MILITARY WORKS

www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2014/09/26/gearing-for-war

Mabhengu: SANDF IS GEARING UP FOR WAR....NIGERIA WE CUMING THE TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM.....IF YALL ARE WISE THEN LEARN HOW DOES THE MILITARY WORKS

www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2014/09/26/gearing-for-war

No less than R4 BILLION spent on training

Probably the single best formation in Africa at the moment

patches689:

First, there is no actual proof from any well known source that Nigeria has ever used cluster munitions.

Second, Nigeria is not listed as having the BL755

Third, how will the alpha jet get the bomb close enough on target if it has no targeting system?

So you have no proof that nigeria has any cluster munitions at all?

Cluster bombs are NOT recorded by UN, IISS, or SIPRI, same way all unguided bombs sales are not recorded or reported in any arms log.

All the other countries on the list like Ethiopia and Eritrea, show me SIPRI record of their purchase of cluster bombs !

If Nigeria has no cluster bombs, then the whole world too does not have it. Simple.

I posted two sources that say Nigeria has cluster bombs, Wikepedia you refused to accept, and I gave you an authority that records combat use of cluster bombs around the world in modern times, and Nigeria is recorded to have it and use it. That is a source respectable and reliable, it is a British website and declares that Nigeria has British Beluga Cluster bombs.

There is NOTHING you can do about it, Nigeria has cluster bombs !

Be angry about the obituary and burial of your still-born dead Mokopa Missiles....Rooivalk is a toothless 'dedicated' attack helicopter


NAF Alpha Jets pilots have consistent 24 years of air to ground bombing experience all over West Africa in five different wars.

12 units of NAF Alpha jets flying at 12km altitude above sea leavel are all beyond reach of your 10km maximum altitude of Valour Frigate Umhkonto anti-aircraft missiles, so we cluster plaster your Navy in Gulf of Guinea with cluster bombs showering thousand of Bomblets pouring down like rain all over your navy, spread over your warships like a wide 10 km sq area blanket of death landingand e.xploding on your own ammunition on ship deck....Umkhonto missile vials, and Exocet missile launcher tubes until your own missiles begin to explode and b.low up your own warships in the Gulf of Guinea and sink all Valour ships to sea bottom....Welcome to the Lion's den, Nigeria rules there !!!

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patches689:

The minister told parliament we have 18 Gripen pilots, so it's on the record.

If he was lying he could be arrested and charged

Fact of the matter is that we have 18 pilots for the gripen. With another 52 Hawk pilots waiting for Gripen certification

You say only 6 are combat ready? Post a source published after the Airforce Cheif clarified the situation before parliament and the Farlam inquiry

End of story

(South Africa has more Gripen pilots than nigeria has combat ready jet aircraft)

South African authorities back up the Minister claims, your SAAF chief is only doing damage control to a leaked defense secret.

"March 13/13: Fighters. Opposition Democratic Alliance MP David Maynier recently forced the ANC government to acknowledge that 12 of its 26 delivered JAS-39C/D fighters were in long term storage. In reality, the SAAF’s fighter problem is even worse than that. He sums up the situation this way:

"The sad facts of the Gripen system are as follows: 26 Gripen fighter jets were delivered; 10 or fewer are operational; 12 are in long-term storage; there are six qualified pilots; there are about 150 flying hours available to the entire squadron for 2013."

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/south-africa-military-maintenance-matters-010956/

#SouthAfrican Airforce Is A PaperTiger

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agaugust:


Angola or Uganda will crush South Africa with Su-30 Flanker jets ! Believe !

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In fact no country in SSA can use its air force against the SANDF, first they don't have means to mount a campaign to the far south. If we would initiate a war against any of these countries we will make sure that they never use their jets this is how.

- The Recce can be sent within a striking distance of these crafts (outside their airports) to engage with a Denel "anti-armour" sniper rifle to render these crafts useless.
- or engage with a Starstreak upon liftoff
- or engage with the G6 if it's within range
- or use Umbani bomb

MikeZA: Because it is a project. A continuing one.

Not just simply introducing new hardware into the defence force.

As we speak the Gripen is undergoing OT&E.

South Africa now supplies components and soon armaments for the Gripen. This possible through the DIP.

One Gripen is stationed at the TDFC. You'll see SAAF integrating systems designed for the African battlefield.

patches689:

Fact of the matter is that we have 18 pilots for the gripen. With another 52 Hawk pilots waiting for Gripen certification

You say only 6 are combat ready?

(South Africa has more Gripen pilots than nigeria has combat ready jet aircraft)

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Wise men don't believe your usual lies....Mr.Patrick Mokopa [/size]

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agaugust:

Cluster bombs are NOT recorded by UN, IISS, or SIPRI, same way all unguided bombs sales are not recorded or reported in any arms log.

All the other countries on the list like Ethiopia and Eritrea, show me SIPRI record of their purchase of cluster bombs !

If Nigeria has no cluster bombs, then the whole world too does not have it. Simple.

I posted two sources that say Nigeria has cluster bombs, Wikepedia you refused to accept, and I gave you an authority that records combat use of cluster bombs around the world in modern times, and Nigeria is recorded to have it and use it. That is a source respectable and reliable, it is a British website and declares that Nigeria has British Beluga Cluster bombs.

There is NOTHING you can do about it, Nigeria has cluster bombs !

Be angry about the obituary and burial of your still-born dead Mokopa Missiles....Rooivalk is a toothless 'dedicated' attack helicopter


NAF Alpha Jets pilots have consistent 24 years of air to ground bombing experience all over West Africa in five different wars.

12 units of NAF Alpha jets flying at 12km altitude above sea leavel are all beyond reach of your 10km maximum altitude of Valour Frigate Umhkonto anti-aircraft missiles, so we cluster plaster your Navy in Gulf of Guinea with cluster bombs showering thousand of Bomblets pouring down like rain all over your navy, spread over your warships like a wide 10 km sq area blanket of death landingand e.xploding on your own ammunition on ship deck....Umkhonto missile vials, and Exocet missile launcher tubes until your own missiles begin to explode and b.low up your own warships in the Gulf of Guinea and sink all Valour ships to sea bottom....Welcome to the Lion's den, Nigeria rules there !!!

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You have no source that you have cluster bombs

Only that they were supposedly used once, in the 1990's

How long was that war?
How long have you been fighting BH?

And you used them only once?

You dont have them.

Show us a source that says you have them - you have none. You only had enough for one single usage (if you had them at all)

France apparently destroyed its stock of Belouga cluster bombs between 1996
and 2002. However, these weapons were sold to Argentina, Greece, India and Iraq, and
some likely remain in service today


Furthermore, the Belouga is designed for low level and low speed deployment

The Belouga (source ofthe name could come from the acronym, or a whale or caviar … comments welcomed) is
low drag and intended for high speed, low level delivery . The bomb has a small braking parachute to slow its speed and hold it horizontal prior to ejection of the sub-munitions.

http://www.ultracast.ca/products/BelcherBits/Aircraft/BB027/Belcher_BB27_Instructions.pdf

Finally, we can shoot your Belouga out of the sky

Conclusion: No you cant

agaugust:


South African authorities back up the Minister claims, your SAAF chief is only doing damage control to a leaked defense secret.

"March 13/13: Fighters. Opposition Democratic Alliance MP David Maynier recently forced the ANC government to acknowledge that 12 of its 26 delivered JAS-39C/D fighters were in long term storage. In reality, the SAAF’s fighter problem is even worse than that. He sums up the situation this way:

"The sad facts of the Gripen system are as follows: 26 Gripen fighter jets were delivered; 10 or fewer are operational; 12 are in long-term storage; there are six qualified pilots; there are about 150 flying hours available to the entire squadron for 2013."

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/south-africa-military-maintenance-matters-010956/

#SouthAfrican Airforce Is A PaperTiger

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Artical published before the Airforce Cheif Whip clarified the situation, which is why i specifically said:

patches689:
Post a source published after the Airforce Cheif clarified the situation before parliament and the Farlam inquiry

In September of that same year (which comes first? September or March?) - the Airforce responded, to the DA in parliament that

- 18 Gripen Pilots
- Gripen had flown over 3 500 hours
-52 Hawk Pilots
- Hawks had flown over 10 000 hours


Are you so obsessed with South Africa that you dont care about what is correct and what is incorrect?

agaugust:

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Wise men don't believe your usual lies....Mr.Patrick Mokopa [/size]

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Let's put a Nigerian tank against a Makopa and see if it survives.

Patchesagain:

No less than R4 BILLION spent on training

Probably the single best formation in Africa at the moment

Looks like the defence force has really listened to experienced junior officers and NCOs.

Now training and exercises include an "opposition" force. Which encourages junior officers to think quick and take the initiative.

agaugust:

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Wise men don't believe your usual lies....Mr.Patrick Mokopa [/size]

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Nothing to counter?

agaugust:


South African authorities back up the Minister claims, your SAAF chief is only doing damage control to a leaked defense secret.

"March 13/13: Fighters. Opposition Democratic Alliance MP David Maynier recently forced the ANC government to acknowledge that 12 of its 26 delivered JAS-39C/D fighters were in long term storage. In reality, the SAAF’s fighter problem is even worse than that. He sums up the situation this way:

"The sad facts of the Gripen system are as follows: 26 Gripen fighter jets were delivered; 10 or fewer are operational; 12 are in long-term storage; there are six qualified pilots; there are about 150 flying hours available to the entire squadron for 2013."

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/south-africa-military-maintenance-matters-010956/

#SouthAfrican Airforce Is A PaperTiger

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Every Gripen is flown within 60 days.

None of them are in storage.

South African Gripens different from the ones flown by SwAF and other air forces.

Patchesagain:

You have no source that you have cluster bombs

Only that they were supposedly used once, in the 1990's

How long was that war?
How long have you been fighting BH?

And you used them only once?

You dont have them.

Show us a source that says you have them - you have none. You only had enough for one single usage (if you had them at all)

France apparently destroyed its stock of Belouga cluster bombs between 1996
and 2002. However, these weapons were sold to Argentina, Greece, India and Iraq, and
some likely remain in service today


Furthermore, the Belouga is designed for low level and low speed deployment

The Belouga (source ofthe name could come from the acronym, or a whale or caviar … comments welcomed) is
low drag and intended for high speed, low level delivery . The bomb has a small braking parachute to slow its speed and hold it horizontal prior to ejection of the sub-munitions.

http://www.ultracast.ca/products/BelcherBits/Aircraft/BB027/Belcher_BB27_Instructions.pdf

Finally, we can shoot your Belouga out of the sky

Conclusion: No you cant

Argue all you want Mr.Patrick Mokopa, I don't care, I have posted sources and it's enough proof.

NAF has cluster bombs, I did not say only Beluga type. No arms sales log records any country's cluster bombs. Every country can stock whatever clusters it wants. Nigeria has them, how many types is not revealed. Fact remains we have them

Nigeria is NOT France, my first source says Nigeria still HAS and HAS stockpiles of cluster bombs, and did not say only Beluga.

NAF Cluster Bomb is NOT SAAF Mokopa The Fake

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agaugust:


Argue all you want Mr.Patrick Mokopa, I don't care, I have posted sources and it's enough proof.

NAF has cluster bombs, I did not say only Beluga type. No arms sales log records any country's cluster bombs. Every country can stock whatever clusters it wants. Nigeria has them, how many types is not revealed. Fact remains we have them

Nigeria is NOT France, my first source says Nigeria still HAS and HAS stockpiles of cluster bombs, and did not say only Beluga.

NAF Cluster Bomb is NOT SAAF Mokopa The Fake

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Your first source is wikipedia

You have no over source that states you have cluster munitions, apart from one that says you used them once... 17 years ago.

#ShowUsNAFClusterBombs

For all we know they would have used them in their ongoing campaign against BH. Since they don't use them they don't have them...

#ShowUsNAFClusterBombs

DieVluit:

Bwahaha! You live in America! Joke of the century! Why don't you show us pictures of Americans with their bamboo scaffolding and no harnesses without risking citations? You can't cause you really are in Nigeria.

By the way, you are also wrong on US law, but we knew that already

https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=10757

You just wasted your time, you know America only by google search, I know it by living there.

OSHA is only for union members in the Carpenters and Allied Workers union including Scaffolders, OSHA laws do NOT bind non-members, reason why non-union contractors and private people can climb roof top without harness at their own risk

Some people just depend on nets to catch them from a fall.

agaugust:

You just wasted your time, you know America only by google search, I know it by living there.

OSHA is only for union members in the Carpenters and Allied Workers union including Scaffolders, OSHA laws do NOT bind non-members, reason why non-union contractors and private people can climb roof top without harness at their own risk

Some people just depend on nets to catch them from a fall.

And why would you use the word "there" instead of "Here"

You are referring to the fact that you live there in your dreams.

This also means you're sitting your ar..se in Lagos writing trash.

wabanjwa gubhugubhu namanga akho.....

I live here in South Africa, I don't live there.... agububu you're such a hopeless fabricator.. Do you have a wife?

Agububu once said to me there was a four hour difference between where I live and him.. I figured he lived somewhere in the Atlantic

MikeZA: And why would you use the word "there" instead of "Here"

You are referring to the fact that you live there in your dreams.

This also means you're sitting your ar..se in Lagos writing trash.

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000

chris365:

finally we getting somewhere. so who's shelling your peaceful neighborhood? does casualty figure matter when shells are fired indiscriminately in suburbs at a time of no militant struggle?

still playing the dunce eh

You are farting in the ocean if you can't show me a single mortar dead victim in SA against your thousands in Nigeria. Or better yet, a "fired" mortar against your thousands in Nigeria. Thank you, trollgate.

agaugust:

You just wasted your time, you know America only by google search, I know it by living there.

OSHA is only for union members in the Carpenters and Allied Workers union including Scaffolders, OSHA laws do NOT bind non-members, reason why non-union contractors and private people can climb roof top without harness at their own risk

Some people just depend on nets to catch them from a fall.

Bwahaha! show us where it says "OSHA is for nion members in the Carpenters and Allied Workers union". Thank you, ignorant American wannabe.

I'd be ashamed of Nigeria too, if I were you. I'd even be more ashamed of my ignorance of the law. Understandable given the lawlessness in your Nigeria.

Patchesagain:


#ShowUsNAFClusterBombs

"Patchy the pirate" . Not my words, that's what your fellow south-african calls you.

You said South-Africa is soo rich and can afford whatever you like,

How come we keep reading from multiple sources that SANDF is too broke to buy avaition fuel, too broke to pay staff, too broke to buy mapoka missiles, too broke to fund anything


Does this mean, you were lying to us?

MikeZA, but you said SANDF has Makopa missiles in active service, so what's happening with all the reports stating you're too broke to afford them. So does this mean, you and "patchy the pirate" have been lying all along?

Henry120:

"Patchy the pirate" . Not my words, that's what your fellow south-african calls you.

You said South-Africa is soo rich and can afford whatever you like,

How come we keep reading from multiple sources that SANDF is too broke to buy avaition fuel, too broke to pay staff, too broke to buy mapoka missiles, too broke to fund anything


Does this mean, you were lying to us?

And yet we just spent R4 Billion on training our new intervention formation

and extended Anti-Piracy duties up the west coast... all the way to Nigeria?

Think before you post

Henry120: MikeZA, but you said SANDF has Makopa missiles in active service, so what's happening with all the reports stating you're too broke to afford them. So does this mean, you and "patchy the pirate" have been lying all along?

In service

But not currently in use

Why is it so hard for you to grasp this?

chris365:

yeah, we know. Nigeria is at war. terrorists killing the innocent. is SA?

who's shelling your neighborhood DieVut? SANDF? gangsters? there was a shelling right?

good ostrich you are. Bury it deeper

South African criminals will seen be launching rockets like Hamas in Gaza

Yawa dey gasi ooo !!!!
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Patchesagain:

And yet we just spent R4 Billion on training our new intervention formation

and extended Anti-Piracy duties up the west coast... all the way to Nigeria?

Think before you post

Not my words. I'm quoting sources, attack them, not me.

Henry120:

Not my words. I'm quoting sources, attack them, not me.

I am also quoting sources

think critically for once

Patchesagain:

In service

But not currently in use

Why is it so hard for you to grasp this?

You've been saying it is in service, but according to IHS janes, they aren't in SANDF service.

So is IHS janes telling us lies?