Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / New
Stats: 3,171,310 members, 7,881,137 topics. Date: Friday, 05 July 2024 at 01:12 PM

Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? - Foreign Affairs (1490) - Nairaland

Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Politics / Foreign Affairs / Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? (4477399 Views)

Iran Vs Israel: Who Has The Strongest Military ? / Evidence That Putin Is Strongest Man And Obama Is A Filthy Whimpering Dog / Which Country Has The Strongest Economy In Africa. (2) (3) (4)

(1) (2) (3) ... (1487) (1488) (1489) (1490) (1491) (1492) (1493) ... (2991) (Reply) (Go Down)

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 12:18pm On Dec 08, 2014
AugustineAgain:


Is every internet source reliable? South African defenseweb that you trust 100% says Nigeria has about 100 units of BTR-3U IFVs and it is very very wrong cheesy cheesy

There are stupiid interent sources with false information. cheesy cheesy
.
Yes not all sources are reliable thats way i quoted 3 not just 1.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:21pm On Dec 08, 2014
Henry120:


You tell too many lies. angry angry

Are you saying Nigeria does have nukes?

Still waiting for you to outline these "lies"

Your last attempt was truly hilarious
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 12:24pm On Dec 08, 2014
AugustineAgain:



[size=16pt]Same way JF-17 Thunder is a new design, no aircraft in this world looks like it....Unique !
[/size]
.
Yes its a totally new aircraft witch is based on the mig 21, just like the olifant mbt is totally different from the centurion tank.

2 Likes

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:25pm On Dec 08, 2014
Henry120:


Nigeria would go for the JF-17 thunder jets, and there are many credible advantages of going for the JF-17 over any other fighter jet.


"How Nigeria lost use of her 18 Ground attack jaguar jets"

"An initial batch of 12 (twelve) single seat variants were supplied and later 6 (six) twin-seat versions which were used for pilot training in the United States were inducted into the NAF.

The Nigerian Air Force was denied the option of purchasing advanced weapons to enhance the deep strike capabilities of the Jaguar jets except for iron bombs of limited effectiveness. A request for in-flight refuelling tankers was also turned down because they could be used to invade neighbouring countries.

It was stipulated that the jets were to be used only for defensive purposes or they ran the risk of a withdrawal of technical support and spare parts and NAF could not resell/transfer the jets to a third party (another country) without approval of British Aerospace (now BAe Systems), UK Ministry of Defense and the House of Commons."



"Sometime in 2007 when these jets were put on display by the NAF for prospective buyers to inspect, it emerged that a Jaguar B TRAINER variant (NAF 703) had flown for only 150 hours 54 minutes since it was manufactured in December 1984. It had its 100 hours inspection on the 10th day of February, 1986. It suggests that the crated fleet of Jaguar jets is almost brand-new still."


With the JF-17, Nigeria would avoid all the Nightmares associated with the Jaguar, plus we would be getting a brand new aircraft with all it's capabilities.


I've always been of the Opinion that Nigeria Requires a COIN based aircraft. Fighter Jets are too fast, and they cannot provide CAS.

The French were successful with their Air Operations in Mali because, they've had surveillance assets in the Area, even before Operation serval began. So, targets were pre-known, and we're timely taken out.

A good example as to why fighter jets aren't good CAS assets is the "battle of Kobani". Over 500 bombing missions in Kobani by coalition forces, yet ISIS is still dug in.

With CAS based assets like the Tucano, ISIS would have been driven off kobani a long time ago.


That been said, i'm happy with the Choice of the JF-17 and possible numbers for the NAF. It is an impressive fighter, with a good loiter time of 5 hours.

NAF only needs to get additional surveillance assets.

Yet again you dont know what you are talking about

Kodani is being held by the Kurds against ISIS

Kobani was about to fall when the bombing commenced

Since the bombing has started it is still holding out despite being besieged on 4 sides, ISIS on 3 the Turkish border on the 4th

Kobani has turned into Stalingrad for ISIS with the loss of (realativly) massive ammounts of manpower and material with limited gains, while the FSA has been able to make inroads against ISIS in other regions and an ISIS offensive against Bagdad was stopped dead.

So, in actual fact, Kobani is a shining example of the effectiveness of PGM's and multi-role fighters deploying them
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:25pm On Dec 08, 2014
jl115:


You are a true village idi0t my friend.
The source says as i quoted it before, the hms on the jf-17 is only used for targeting.
HMSD or HMS/D = HMS you cant have both only the one or the other.

You cannot use your own brain logic to interpret an essay until the writer spoon feeds you like a toddler.

Does the same source explain what each of the over 20 listed weapons/equipment of the JF-17 does one by one?

The source says the JF-17 has both HMS and HMD combines as HMS/D, the HMS part is used for targeting, but as a Soweto mumu, you need to be told in abc language what the HMD part is used for because you think HMD means Home Made Donuts....Mumu Domingo cheesy cheesy
.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:30pm On Dec 08, 2014
jl115:


Yes its a totally new aircraft witch is based on the mig 21, just like the olifant mbt is a totally different from the centurion tank.


JF-17 engine is MiG-29 engine, and between MiG-21 and MiG-29 there are 3 different MiG series gone by !

Engine proves JF-17 is based on MiG-29 Fulcrum 4th generation fighter

Show me a source that says JF-17 Thunder is based on MiG-21 cheesy cheesy

I can show you one that proves you wrong :

"The official said, "This transfer of technology—transposing the aircraft systems from the J-10 to the JF-17—is what makes the JF-17 so cost-effective". The use of computer-aided design software shortened the design phase of the JF-17."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder

JF-17 is a mix of MiG-29 Fulcrum, J-10 Dragon, and the other newly created unique featured of JF-17 itself, like the never-seen-before wings

@Pateches deemolished cheesy cheesy
.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:34pm On Dec 08, 2014
jl115:


Yes its a totally new aircraft witch is based on the mig 21


.
[size=16pt]South Africans need image recognition eyeglasses for partial blindness cheesy cheesy

PHOTO 1 : MiG-21

PHOTO 2 :JF-17

Very different wings, nose, tail, air intake, tail fin, fuselage, tell the whole story cheesy cheesy[/size]
.

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:37pm On Dec 08, 2014
AugustineAgain:


Your personal opinion does not count.

The South African insider sources say DENEL copied the Italian gun same way Chinese would copy .

The same RSA sources say Rooikat gun is inaccurate for army targets, it is the copy of a naval gun for use against huge ships at sea

Case closed.

Rooikat gun was developed from the Oto Melara gun, not a copy of the gun and is accurate at ranges of 1500m to 2000m in direct fire and up to 12km in indirect fire

The Rooikat is fitted with a fully-stabilized GT4 76-mm main gun, which was developed from Italian OTO Melara naval gun. Despite it's relatively small caliber this gun penetrates front armor of the most widespread tanks of that region (M-48, T-54, T-55 and T-62) at a range of 1 500 meters.
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/rooikat.htm


Rate of fire is stated to be 6 rds/min, with the APFSDS-T projectile having an effective range of 2.000 to 3,000 m. It will penetrate the T-54/T-55 and T-62 from all angles of attack. The HE-T round has a maximum range of 12,000 m in the indirect fire role and 3,000 m in the direct fire role. A range drum is fitted as standard.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product956.html

Your "insider source" is a clown whom is well known for untrue and misleading reporting, the same artical you love to quote states that we sold the Rooikat to other african nations... and yet we have not. Her story lacks citations and proof. And you have never been able to find anyother proof to substantiate your baseless claims.

I dont post my opinion, and I dont post opinion pieces.

1 Like

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:41pm On Dec 08, 2014
AugustineAgain:


Only one unit was built in 25 years, SANDF rejected 105mm gun Rooikat many years ago and would NEVER accept it.

Case closed.

Two units have been built (See pic 2)

The project is ongoing, the latest featuring a [suspected] autoloader (hence the new turret and only 3 man crew) as well as an active defence system and barrel shroud to improve accuracy.

Picture 1: First developed Rooikat
Picture 2: Latest Rooikat 105mm variant

1 Like

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:42pm On Dec 08, 2014
AugustineAgain:


Is every internet source reliable? South African defenseweb that you trust 100% says Nigeria has about 100 units of BTR-3U IFVs and it is very very wrong cheesy cheesy

There are stupiid interent sources with false information. cheesy cheesy
.

And you tend to rely on the ones with false information

1 Like

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:43pm On Dec 08, 2014
patches689:


Two units have been built (See pic 2)

The project is ongoing, the latest featuring a [suspected] autoloader (hence the new turret and only 3 man crew) as well as an active defence system and barrel shroud to improve accuracy.

Picture 1: First developed Rooikat
Picture 2: Latest Rooikat 105mm variant

Only 2 units built in a whole 25 years....big disaster

On-going project to tinker with the gun of an IFV for 25 years....do you know what R & D costs of 25 years means when there is no buyer ?

Rooikat 105mm has been rejected by SANDF and turned to a museum piece for ever cheesy cheesy
.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:44pm On Dec 08, 2014
patches689:


And you tend to rely on the ones with false information

....like SA defenceweb ? cheesy cheesy
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:44pm On Dec 08, 2014
AugustineAgain:


JF-17 engine is MiG-29 engine, and between MiG-21 and MiG-29 there are 3 different MiG series gone by !

Engine proves JF-17 is based on MiG-29 Fulcrum 4th generation fighter

Show me a source that says JF-17 Thunder is based on MiG-21 cheesy cheesy

I can show you one that proves you wrong :

"The official said, "This transfer of technology—transposing the aircraft systems from the J-10 to the JF-17—is what makes the JF-17 so cost-effective". The use of computer-aided design software shortened the design phase of the JF-17."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder

JF-17 is a mix of MiG-29 Fulcrum, J-10 Dragon, and the other newly created unique featured of JF-17 itself, like the never-seen-before wings

@Pateches deemolished cheesy cheesy
.

Even in close combat JF-17 lacks what it takes to win the fight. Its spine, & wings bearing resemblance(in wing twist & wing area) to a fighter which china knows inside out, the J-7, doesn’t have wing twist nor does it have enough area to provide a low wing loading
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/fighterplanes/texts/articles/jf-17.html

2 Likes

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:45pm On Dec 08, 2014
AugustineAgain:



.
[size=16pt]South Africans need image recognition eyeglasses for partial blindness cheesy cheesy

PHOTO 1 : MiG-21

PHOTO 2 :JF-17

Very different wings, nose, tail, air intake, tail fin, fuselage, tell the whole story cheesy cheesy[/size]
.

Both are swept delta wing

slowpoke

2 Likes

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:46pm On Dec 08, 2014
AugustineAgain:


Only 2 units built in a whole 25 years....big disaster

Rooikat 105mm has been rejected by SANDF and turned to a museum piece for ever cheesy cheesy
.

So why is it still under development?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 12:48pm On Dec 08, 2014
patches689:


Rooikat gun was developed from the Oto Melara gun, not a copy of the gun and is accurate at ranges of 1500m to 2000m in direct fire and up to 12km in indirect fire

The Rooikat is fitted with a fully-stabilized GT4 76-mm main gun, which was developed from Italian OTO Melara naval gun.


http://www.military-today.com/artillery/rooikat.htm



Thank you sir for proving me right with the bolded part above, South Africa copied Italy....

Same way you say China copied Russian MiG-21 developed into F-7.

Talk about getting a taste of your own medicine cheesy cheesy
.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 1:00pm On Dec 08, 2014
AugustineAgain:



.
[size=16pt]South Africans need image recognition eyeglasses for partial blindness cheesy cheesy

PHOTO 1 : MiG-21

PHOTO 2 :JF-17

Very different wings, nose, tail, air intake, tail fin, fuselage, tell the whole story cheesy cheesy[/size]
.

I said based not an exact copy, just like the saaf hawk is based on the old hawk from the 60 and 70, only 10% of the saaf hawk is the same as the old one.
http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/aircraft/40/hawk-mk-120

as for the hmd argument : The village idi0t cant understand that you cant have a HMS and HMD in one aircraft! but let me try and explain to in simple terms:

HMD= Targeting+ flight info
HMS= targeting

As you put it the jf-17 has both hmd and hms.
HMD+HMS=HMD because HMD is used for targeting + flight info, not just flight info.

and as i proved before useing the source you gave the jf-17s HMS or HMS/D is only used for targeting.
dus at this stage it only has a HMS/HMSD.

1 Like

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 1:10pm On Dec 08, 2014
patches689:


Both are swept delta wing

slowpoke
[size=16pt]
Delta means Triangle, the JF-17 wing is NOT a Triangle...it is an irregular unusual shape that joins the fuselage in a strange curved form

End of the road for South Africans....Envy can cause you epilepsy !

CASE CLOSED !

.[/size]

1 Like

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by kwametut: 1:26pm On Dec 08, 2014
This is my field TENDERPRENEUR Am not sure grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
NEW SEISA RAMABODU STADIUM IS OWNED BY BLOEMFONTEIN CELTICS FC AND IS ALMOST DONE. ITS OUTSIDE CLADDING IS BETTER THAN UYO STADIUM.

I can't wait for GIANT STADIUM Phase 2, am told Supersport or Sundowns are gonna take that stadium. wink wink wink wink wink wink

DEVELOPMENT IS IN OUR DNA!!!!!GO SOUTH AFRICA KEEP OPENING THE GAP BETWEEN US AND 4TH WORLD POVERTY TRAPS..... kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxOvLTpzP6M

1 Like

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 1:45pm On Dec 08, 2014
jln115again:
F0kken antispam bot banning every time.

You get banned if you insult people in your comments. Some other reasons too, read the list of rules.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 1:47pm On Dec 08, 2014
jl115:


As i proved before useing the source you gave the jf-17s HMS or HMS/D is only used for targeting.
dus at this stage it only has a HMS/HMSD.


Can you see how totally confused you are ? cheesy cheesy
.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:36pm On Dec 08, 2014
patches689:


Are you saying Nigeria does have nukes?

Still waiting for you to outline these "lies"

Your last attempt was truly hilarious

I hope you asked God to forgive and change you from your lying ways in church yesterday...... that is, if you even attended service.

Pathological liar.

1 Like

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by kwametut: 2:53pm On Dec 08, 2014
Well done IDRIS!!!!!!!WELL DONE TANZANIA!!!!!CONGRATS MY COUSINS!!!!!!CONGRATS FROM SOUTH AFRICA. Am glad its not a Nigerian SHADEY!!!!!! grin grin grin grin grin

BIG BANTU LOVE TO ALL MY PEEPS SOUTH OF EQUATOR.

WE DECIDED THE WINNER ON BBA!!!!!!!

1 Like

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by kwametut: 2:59pm On Dec 08, 2014
^^^^BANTU UNITY over there discussions by cousins grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin while we OUT NUMBERED tiny west african groups grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

The over 450 million Bantu speakers of SW Cameroon South Central African Rep. to S Uganda, S. Kenya central Africa to SA. Must Unite like these guys grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

Note:There are Ngunis in Tanzania grin grin grin grin Idris is one of them even though he convreted to Islam. wink wink wink wink wink

1 Like

(1) (2) (3) ... (1487) (1488) (1489) (1490) (1491) (1492) (1493) ... (2991) (Reply)

African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread / Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie)

Viewing this topic: 1 guest(s)

(Go Up)

Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health
religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket

Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10)

Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 57
Disclaimer: Every Nairaland member is solely responsible for anything that he/she posts or uploads on Nairaland.