patriot4: Shall I understand you didn't get the meaning of "UN legal backing" ? Your question was not about AFISMA having been authorized by a resolution, it was about Nigerian police having been authorized by a resolution. And I showed you your question was foolish. And please learn how to read, AFISMA is already over, it is MINUSMA now.
You denied the existence of the resolution. You said it doesn't exist. The resolution is the only legal source of authority. There's no other. It's common cause that there would have been UN legal backing. I simply asked in what form was it. Under which covenants, I asked. In response, you should have said - the 2013 Mali resolution by the security counsel of the UN.
But you did not - because you had no clue. You just posted videos and videos and videos. You are a parrot!
do you think reading is about spelling out words go and learn how to read abeg and stop fooling yourself. i have a job (unlike you) and i now realize you are too low for me. so don't ever expect a response from me again cos i wouldn't like to reduce to your level. gudnite
Give me the post. My post where I apparently said it and let the world decide what I said.
I wish to apologize to all members and visitors who have taken their time to read and contribute in their own various capacity to this very topic for all the inconveniences my misleading information must have caused.
The information I earlier provided regarding the Nigeria's F-7NI and South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter jets costs was totally fallacious and was based on what I earlier collected from a partial view of ample ideas surrounding both fighter jets posted by a particular member in this forum. I thought the right cost for F-7NI Nigeria's fighter jet was quoted to be in the range of 34 -35 million dollars and the South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen Jet to be 40 - 65 million dollars given the slim difference in prices. I have held to that going by my earlier argument. The error was as a result of my refusal to conduct exhaustive search on reviews by experts in the field and aberrant refusal to listen to others.
I must admit I allowed myself to be taken unaware and it has caused me the very huge error in my comments. On that very ground, I would now have to quit the thread while I still post in other areas I am much more familiar with and have enough facts to support my arguments.
Before I would finally call it a day, I would like to thank those who have taken their time to provide helpful information on African military.
1. Augugust, sir. You have been the most informed person on the Nigeria military and equipment, with great insight in military strategy, weapon procurement, reviews on hardware specifications and plans for future activities. I must say at this point I admire your reviews with all enthusiasm. You are an outstanding individual with good military related information background. Please, keep up the nice work.
2. AndrewZa(with different monikers),sir. Your contributions cannot be ignored. You have provided a vast array of views to what South African military has to offer,provided data with prudence in cutting down on size and on military budget, present military equipment available, arms production and sale, etc. There were times you aired your views from a patriotic sideline though has not nullified every of your contributions.
3. Bcraig, sir. You have added nothing from the expert perspective. There was no way the information you provided was always correct. I must admitted you were like me for admitting a non-professional background in military hardware and reviews. Thanks for your pain-in-the-a$$ comments, they were easy to sail through and refreshing to find out you were more on the patriotic side of the argument - almost becoming an element of troll. Learn to post as a matured individual.
To the others and my humble self, I would want to say we have seen South African military been overrated beyond necessary, although, with the capacity to produce and display well polished military hardware. I have to say at this point that Nigeria is truly the GIANT of Africa(either sleeping or awake). It has been to many troubled countries to help and keeping peace, grant monetary assistance to those going through financial problems, fought for the rights of Africans,just to mentioned but a few. The areas where it has proven to be ahead of South Africa's military in a wide margin.
After much decry over my posts by members of the forum, I wish to call it a day and leave it to those who are experts in the field. Those who have something useful to contribute.
On the final note, I am not going to post on this thread again. I would take this as a complete failure on my side and for the short-sightedness patriotism has caused me in this particular error.
Long live the federal republic of Nigeria, the true GIANT of Africa. Long live Nairaland. Long live South Africa
Thank you all.
P.S. I was told without the armament and some other features that SAAB JAS 39 Gripen can cost less than the 40 -65 million dollar range. I don't know how truthful that information is.
I wish to apologize to all members and visitors who have taken their time to read and contributed in their own various capacity to this very topic for all the inconveniences my misleading information must have caused.
The information I earlier provided regarding the Nigeria's F-7NI and South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter jets costs is totally fallacious and was based on what I earlier collected from a partial view of ample ideas surrounding both fighter jets posted by a particular member in this forum. I thought the right cost for F-7NI Nigeria's fighter jet was quoted to be in the range of 34 -35 million dollars and the South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen Jet to be 40 - 65 million dollars given the slim difference in prices. I have held to that going by my earlier argument. The error was as a result of my refusal to conduct exhaustive search on reviews by experts in the field and aberrant refusal to listen to others.
I must admit I allowed myself to be taken unaware and it has caused me the very huge error in my comments. On that very ground, I would now have to quit the thread while I still post in other areas I am much more familiar with and have enough facts to support my arguments.
Before I would finally call it a day, I would like to thank those who have taken their time to provide helpful information on African military.
1. Augugust, sir. You have been the most informed person on the Nigeria military and equipment, with great insight in military strategy, weapon procurement, reviews on hardware specifications and plans for future activities. I must say at this point I admire your reviews with all enthusiasm. You are an outstanding individual with good military related information background. Please, keep up the nice work.
2. AndrewZa(with different monikers),sir. Your contributions cannot be ignored. You have provided a vast array of views to what South African military has to offer,provided data with prudence in cutting down on size and on military budget, present military equipment available, arms production and sale, etc. There were times you aired your views from a patriotic sideline though has not nullified every of your contributions.
3. Bcraig, sir. You have added nothing from the expert perspective. There was no way the information you provided was always correct. I must admitted you were like me for admitting a non-professional background in military hardware and reviews. Thanks for your pain-in-the-a$$ comments, they were easy to sail through and refreshing to find out you were more on the patriotic side of the argument - almost becoming an element of troll. Learn to post as a matured individual.
To the others and my humble self, I would want to say we have seen South African military been overrated beyond necessary, although, with the capacity to produce and display well polished military hardware. I have to say at this point that Nigeria is truly the GIANT of Africa(either sleeping or awake). It has been to many troubled countries to help and keeping peace, grant monetary assistance to those going through financial problems, fought for the rights of Africans,just to mentioned but a few. The areas where it has proven to be ahead of South Africa's military in a wide margin.
After much decry over my posts by members of the forum, I wish to call it a day and leave it those who are experts in the field. Those who have something useful to contribute.
On the final note, I am not going to post on this thread again. I would take this as a complete failure on my side and for the short-sightedness patriotism has caused me in this particular error.
Long live the federal republic of Nigeria, the true GIANT of Africa. Long live Nairaland. Long live South Africa
Thank you all.
P.S. I was told without the armament and some other features that SAAB JAS 39 Gripen can cost less than the 40 -65 million dollar range. I don't know how truthful that information is.
Are you going to jump off the Zuma rock, or will you come back as All3Naija this time?
Hey - it's not a disclaimer if you aren't disclaiming anything. Since when is a goodbye a disclaimer?
Naai-gerian universities lol
Oh, by the way - will you file a "disclaimer" for the NaijanPikinGidi profile too; or will that one remain on the thread?
All4Naija - last seen in the vicinity of the Zuma rock. He stormed off the Naai-raland forum after an encounter with a few nasty South Africans. Never to be heard from again
I wish to apologize to all members and visitors who have taken their time to read and contributed in their own various capacity to this very topic for all the inconveniences my misleading information must have caused.
The information I earlier provided regarding the Nigeria's F-7NI and South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter jets costs is totally fallacious and was based on what I earlier collected from a partial view of ample ideas surrounding both fighter jets posted by a particular member in this forum. I thought the right cost for F-7NI Nigeria's fighter jet was quoted to be in the range of 34 -35 million dollars and the South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen Jet to be 40 - 65 million dollars given the slim difference in prices. I have held to that going by my earlier argument. The error was as a result of my refusal to conduct exhaustive search on reviews by experts in the field and aberrant refusal to listen to others.
I must admit I allowed myself to be taken unaware and it has caused me the very huge error in my comments. On that very ground, I would now have to quit the thread while I still post in other areas I am much more familiar with and have enough facts to support my arguments.
Before I would finally call it a day, I would like to thank those who have taken their time to provide helpful information on African military.
1. Augugust, sir. You have been the most informed person on the Nigeria military and equipment, with great insight in military strategy, weapon procurement, reviews on hardware specifications and plans for future activities. I must say at this point I admire your reviews with all enthusiasm. You are an outstanding individual with good military related information background. Please, keep up the nice work.
2. AndrewZa(with different monikers),sir. Your contributions cannot be ignored. You have provided a vast array of views to what South African military has to offer,provided data with prudence in cutting down on size and on military budget, present military equipment available, arms production and sale, etc. There were times you aired your views from a patriotic sideline though has not nullified every of your contributions.
3. Bcraig, sir. You have added nothing from the expert perspective. There was no way the information you provided was always correct. I must admitted you were like me for admitting a non-professional background in military hardware and reviews. Thanks for your pain-in-the-a$$ comments, they were easy to sail through and refreshing to find out you were more on the patriotic side of the argument - almost becoming an element of troll. Learn to post as a matured individual.
To the others and my humble self, I would want to say we have seen South African military been overrated beyond necessary, although, with the capacity to produce and display well polished military hardware. I have to say at this point that Nigeria is truly the GIANT of Africa(either sleeping or awake). It has been to many troubled countries to help and keeping peace, grant monetary assistance to those going through financial problems, fought for the rights of Africans,just to mentioned but a few. The areas where it has proven to be ahead of South Africa's military in a wide margin.
After much decry over my posts by members of the forum, I wish to call it a day and leave it to those who are experts in the field. Those who have something useful to contribute.
On the final note, I am not going to post on this thread again. I would take this as a complete failure on my side and for the short-sightedness patriotism has caused me in this particular error.
Long live the federal republic of Nigeria, the true GIANT of Africa. Long live Nairaland. Long live South Africa
Thank you all.
P.S. I was told without the armament and some other features that SAAB JAS 39 Gripen can cost less than the 40 -65 million dollar range. I don't know how truthful that information is.
May you live long my brother! It takes bravery and a heart of a true Nigerian to make a post of this nature! Something amiss on the other side of the debate. Your contributions and comments made a lot of difference. You no need to commot kpatakpata! Your mouth still dey important for dis matter, at least once in a while. Cheers!
At the sighting of Naija in any form or combination ... certain kids on the thread get so afraid and paranoid! Quite interesting to see how relieved this kid at the prospect of a double departure from the thread! NaijaPikinGidi remains right here in front of your bloodied face!
NaijaPikinGidi: At the sighting of Naija in any form or combination ... certain kids on the thread get so afraid and paranoid! Quite interesting to see how relieved this kid at the prospect of a double departure from the thread! NaijaPikinGidi remains right here in front of your bloodied face!
All4Naija, We know it's you. How come the two of you are ALWAYS here at the same time anyway?
You id*ot !!! Do you not know that Naai-ra-land changes r*ape to "molestation". You followed the wrong link, dummy ! What a monkey. You need to change "molestation' to r*ape and the link will work.
But don't worry, here's the text! Works just fine, sorry
Oh, I've bit lyd the link for you seeing as you are hapless, like a true Naai-gerian. Have a look at your molesting soldiers
Nigerian commission: Credible reports troops kill, torture, rape civilians in Islamic uprising Published June 29, 2013Associated Press LAGOS, NIGERIA – Nigeria's National Human Rights Commission said Sunday it has credible reports security forces are killing, torturing, illegally detaining and raping civilians in a fight to halt an Islamic uprising in northeast Nigeria that has killed nearly 2,000 people since 2010.
A report by the commission said troops retaliating against civilians have torched homes and tried to hide evidence of gross violations by disposing of bodies.
In the most egregious case, where troops went on a rampage in several villages after a soldier was killed in mid-April in the fishing village of Baga, it quoted police as saying soldiers "started shooting indiscriminately at anybody in sight including domestic animals. This reaction resulted to loss of lives and massive destruction of properties."
The military said 36 people were killed, most of them extremist fighters. Witnesses told the AP at the time that some 187 civilians were killed.
The commission said the killings also came after militants had ransacked an armory, with subsequent reports indicating the extremists enjoyed an increase in the caliber and quantity of weapons and "had become both more organized and emboldened by their apparent successes despite the enhanced security presence."
That contradicted military reports that they have taken control of the region in a military emergency covering thee states and one-sixth of the sprawling country. Instead, they appear to have pushed the fighters into rocky mountains with caves where it is more difficult to flush them out. The extremists regularly attack towns and villages.
The commission, a government body, issued an interim report saying it would finalize it when its investigators are able to visit the area where soldiers have cut mobile phone and Internet connections. A state of emergency was declared May 14 when the government said extremists from the Boko Haram terrorist group had taken control of some towns and villages.
The insurgency poses the biggest threat in years to security in Nigeria, Africa's most populous nation of 160 million and the continent's biggest oil producer.
Communities trapped between the Islamic militants and the security forces "reportedly live in desperate fear and destitution," the commission said.
It warned of an imminent public health emergency and food shortages because farmers have been forced from their fields.
Food prices have nearly trebled, the commission said, with a 50-kilogram (110-pound) sack of rice selling for up to 18,000 naira ($112.50) from 7,000 naira ($44).
Some medical experts from the region have reported a notable upsurge in sudden deaths, heart attacks and aneurysms, it said.
Northeast Nigeria already presents "the worst statistics of human development in Nigeria generally," it said.
Maternal mortality rates were three times the national average of 545 deaths for every 100,000 live births, and reports reaching the commission suggest the emergency has even more mothers dying in childbirth.
Northeast Nigeria is the poorest region in the country, with government statistics indicating 75 percent of the population lives from hand to mouth on less than $1 a day.
The commission's interim findings corroborated AP reports from the region. Militants who began by targeting government personnel and health workers — they preach that Western religion and medicine are forbidden — are increasingly targeting civilians in attacks on schools and vaccination campaigns.
"The Commission equally received several credibly attested allegations of gross violations by officials of the JTF (joint task force of police and military), including allegations of summary executions, torture, arbitrary detention amounting to internment and outrages against the dignity of civilians, as well as rape," the rights commission said.
"In particular, we have received persistent and credibly attested allegations of indiscriminate disposal of dead human remains by personnel of both the JTF and the Borno State Environmental Protection Agency."
The military and presidential spokesmen did not respond to requests for comment.
I wish to apologize to all members and visitors who have taken their time to read and contribute in their own various capacity to this very topic for all the inconveniences my misleading information must have caused.
The information I earlier provided regarding the Nigeria's F-7NI and South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter jets costs is totally fallacious and was based on what I earlier collected from a partial view of ample ideas surrounding both fighter jets posted by a particular member in this forum. I thought the right cost for F-7NI Nigeria's fighter jet was quoted to be in the range of 34 -35 million dollars and the South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen Jet to be 40 - 65 million dollars given the slim difference in prices. I have held to that going by my earlier argument. The error was as a result of my refusal to conduct exhaustive search on reviews by experts in the field and aberrant refusal to listen to others.
I must admit I allowed myself to be taken unaware and it has caused me the very huge error in my comments. On that very ground, I would now have to quit the thread while I still post in other areas I am much more familiar with and have enough facts to support my arguments.
Before I would finally call it a day, I would like to thank those who have taken their time to provide helpful information on African military.
1. Augugust, sir. You have been the most informed person on the Nigeria military and equipment, with great insight in military strategy, weapon procurement, reviews on hardware specifications and plans for future activities. I must say at this point I admire your reviews with all enthusiasm. You are an outstanding individual with good military related information background. Please, keep up the nice work.
2. AndrewZa(with different monikers),sir. Your contributions cannot be ignored. You have provided a vast array of views to what South African military has to offer,provided data with prudence in cutting down on size and on military budget, present military equipment available, arms production and sale, etc. There were times you aired your views from a patriotic sideline though has not nullified every of your contributions.
3. Bcraig, sir. You have added nothing from the expert perspective. There was no way the information you provided was always correct. I must admitted you were like me for admitting a non-professional background in military hardware and reviews. Thanks for your pain-in-the-a$$ comments, they were easy to sail through and refreshing to find out you were more on the patriotic side of the argument - almost becoming an element of troll. Learn to post as a matured individual.
To the others and my humble self, I would want to say we have seen South African military been overrated beyond necessary, although, with the capacity to produce and display well polished military hardware. I have to say at this point that Nigeria is truly the GIANT of Africa(either sleeping or awake). It has been to many troubled countries to help and keeping peace, grant monetary assistance to those going through financial problems, fought for the rights of Africans,just to mentioned but a few. The areas where it has proven to be ahead of South Africa's military in a wide margin.
After much decry over my posts by members of the forum, I wish to call it a day and leave it to those who are experts in the field. Those who have something useful to contribute.
On the final note, I am not going to post on this thread again. I would take this as a complete failure on my side and for the short-sightedness patriotism has caused me in this particular error.
Long live the federal republic of Nigeria, the true GIANT of Africa. Long live Nairaland. Long live South Africa
Thank you all.
P.S. I was told without the armament and some other features that SAAB JAS 39 Gripen can cost less than the 40 -65 million dollar range. I don't know how truthful that information is.
When said behind a super harsh insult, it makes it seem like its okay.
Can also be used as an awesome come back and make the insulter feel like a slowpoke.
Said with much emphasis. Damn, Johnny you are such an idiot! God bless your soul. Liz is such a two-faced hoe. God bless her soul. Wow, what a dick. God bless her soul.
Adam: Wow Carol, you are so retarded. Carol: Oh, God bless your soul.
Donian007: Andreza and his recycling with rag tag magazines. We have dealt with these issues in previous pages and its quite a shame that you have refused to be enlightened and corrected. The funny thing is that none of these writers can provide proof of their reports as none of them have ever been to the hot zones, on the other hand the military have taken some local and foreign media to the hot zones to see for themselves. Premium Times, BBC, Sahara Reporters, Aljazeera, Guardian UK can keep up the lies but it takes a complete fool to rely on these. Andrewza stand corrected.
If you had bother to read the report you would have seen this
"Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and other campaign groups have made similar allegations over the past three years, but it was unusual to see them in a report compiled by a government organization."
[size=16pt] south african army sets new world speed record, runs away faster than Usain Bolt[/size]
see 'Nelson Mandela's grandson' riding an a captured south african army vehicle in CAR, we know whose army ran way from seleka rebels
You complian I post old news yet you are for ever recyling the same bull story that we have shown to be wrong. Why don't you post what the rebels say in the artical where that photo comes from.
All4Naija, We know it's you. How come the two of you are ALWAYS here at the same time anyway?
Stop talking to yourself, Schizo!
You keep exhibiting your silly stupidity. What law makes it imperative for people not to be anywhere they want at anytime they want? A paranoid block head South African dullard cannot handle the name/word Naija. NaijaPikinGidi go always dey denge in front of your red face because whether you like am ... whether you no like am ... the thing be say Naija go still dey shake bodi!! Your case CraigB don tire South African Government. Irredeemable 33%er.
if your d.ull b.rain thinks nigerian defence pact with ukraine is to get help of ukrainian soldiers for a 170 million people nation of nigeria, then see your p.sychiatrist/d.octor as soon as possible.
that pact guarantees urgent and timely arms sales in war emergency, sure will cover SU-27 jets sales from existing stock with mercenary pilots to support F-7 jets for nigeria in emergency, nigeria did it with russia against b.iafra in war, and eritrea did it with ukraine against ethiopia in recent 1998-2000 badme war, about 10 Mig 29 jets and SU-27 jets complete with ukrainian mercenary pilots in few months of war starting, all paid for in dollars by eritrea.
real qualified countries military commanders have a smart way of making your copy and paste ranking to become f00lish in real war. try go back to school a little bit more and upgrade
.
So you going to get forghin air crafts flown by forgine pilots. What you don't think any country with the capital can do that. You don't need a defense pact to buy air craft fast, just money nore do you need a defense pact for mercs. Just money.
Any milltary that relies on mercs to win there wars is weak.
patriot4: I READ THAT REPORT ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, it fits people who do not know the difference between police and army. And second of all, there are a lot of reports which have been coming out, many contradicting each other and many are sponsored by boko haram and its partners. If terrorists can't beat you in the battle field then they will beat you in the papers. And let us not forget the sectional media financed by politicians who want to destroy the current government's image. I thought you were a knowledgeable person. Get up to speed.
Jtf is a joint task force. It all so menstions solders murdring and kidnaping people.
people. here's craigB's defense for the unprofessional conduct of their police after he was exposed:
CraigB:
That guy absolutely deserved what he got for:
1. Grabbing an officer's gun;
2. Resisting arrest; and
3. Jumping out the car when it was driving off.
Fail !
and then he asked this question after he was told NPF has always been considered for international peacekeeping operations:
CraigB:
Really? Your police do "peace keeping" in other sovereign states? In terms of which international covenants does this happen?
this was part of the answer i gave him which is part of a covenant that backs the deployment of Nigerian police to sovereign states:
Peace-keeping is the deployment of a United Nations presence in the field, hitherto with the consent of all the parties concerned, normally involving United Nations military and/or police personnel and frequently civilians as well. Peace-keeping is a technique that expands the possibilities for both the prevention of conflict and the making of peace.
and being as S.TUPID as he is, and his inability to understand what he reads, he changed the question to suit his mischievous reason for being on this thread
CraigB: You are wasting my time.
I didn't ask for a lecture on peace keeping. If I wanted to read a book, I would have. The question is simple: Nigerian police are in [b]Mali in terms of what?[/b] Simple question. If I have to ask it ten times, my conclusion remains.
after referring him the same answer i already gave he still insisted on another baseless question:
CraigB:
Still wasting my time. Clearly you need to be guided. WHERE IS THE BLOODIE RESOLUTION?
Are you that challenged that you post something that you cannot back up.
Give me the resolution and not stories.
The sooner you do that the better. I am eager to move on to talk about your hunger situation.
So please - the legal basis for your police's presence in Mali - may I have it.
Don't give me a lecture. You started the topic. Now finish it, since you know it al.
unknown that he is not as intelligent as he thought and his refusal to learn, he gave a false resolution
CraigB:
There is such a resolution. Here it is below. Your police are in Mali under the auspices of AFISMA. It is AFISMA that made the decision, because authority was handed over to AFISMA by the UN. The resolution says - "AFISMA military/police". The resolution says "authority handed over to AFISMA"
and then he was corrected by patriot4
patriot4: First of all AFISMA is not a UN mission, AFISMA is a regional mission with UN legal backing and foreign and western funding. And, no it wasn't the UN which handed over to AFISMA, it was the French after they had finished their mission. And now it is a UN mission codenamed MINUSMA.
in order to twist the argument as usual, he F.OOLISHLY repeated the answer he was given to change the argument to his favor.
CraigB:
The Mali mission is Africa led i.e. AFISMA. AFISMA has to be given authority by the UN, which was done in terms of the resolution posted - which you obviously haven't read, since you didn't even know it existed.
at this point anyone who has been following CraigB or Bcraig will see that he lacks the intellectual capabilities to sustain an argument but would rather twist and look for trouble to derail from the purpose of the thread. he has shown his myopic brain cannot be informed and he is ignorant of the world around him.
so arguing with him is like running around in a maze (baseless without purpose). what i posted is just part of the many reasons i will never respond to him again. and his reference to his master kwame only goes to prove how limited his brain is. i would never stoop so low to arguing with an ignorant person on this thread again.
In the first one all involved have crmnal cases against them and will serve jail time. The seconded is not brutalty. The fool was uncompritve so the cop had to use a bit of force.
see as my colleagues gather for my desk to see this pic. lol but seriously our military need to scrap or reduce this their secrecy act. i know we got more but they just hiding them as usual. you made my day with this. is it true they are working on modification of the AK at DICON and this APC?
In the first one all involved have crmnal cases against them and will serve jail time. The seconded is not brutalty. The fool was uncompritve so the cop had to use a bit of force.
So to you beating a man who is already almost dead and then asking a civilian to help you load the man in your truck and then beating that civilian for being too compassionate for the almost dead man is "a little bit of force". Yet you were saying one Nigerian soldier was a monster for making a man do frog jump. You are the biggest hypocrit ever.
patriot4: Nigerian police does peace keeping all over the world. What does your police do ? You are a laughing stock. The Nigerian police being the biggest in Africa, it takes more money to fund it, that is why some accademies like the one you saw was the way it was, but right now it has been upgraded to first world standards and so have the remaining affected accademies. The US has one of the biggest armies in the world, and that is why there are more abuses in that army than in most of the other armies in the world (except South Africa), yet they are still the best, aren't they ? The Nigerian police has been to Somalia, Haiti, Liberia, Sudan, Mali, and so on. What has your police ever done ?
Nigeria has the biggest poliece force due to the larger populastion. How ever I bielve we have the highest per capita. SAPS have all so done peace keeping missions. SA spends more on it's poliecse force than nigeria.
Saps is far from a joke and sa crime has been on a steady decline.
patriot4: So to you beating a man who is already almost dead and then asking a civilian to help you load the man in your truck and then beating that civilian for being too compassionate for the almost dead man is "a little bit of force". Yet you were saying one Nigerian soldier was a monster for making a man do frog jump. You are the biggest hypocrit ever.
Are you a medical doctor. There was nothing medicaly wrong with the guy. He refused to stand up. Unlike the guy doing the frog jump this was some one arrested for a crime.
chris365:SA police officers caught on tape taking bribes, performing sexual act (WATCH)
A South African policeman has been caught on video accepting money from a man on whom a policewoman then performs a sexual act for money. The 20-minute video was recorded in a parking lot near the East Rand Mall, in Boksburg, at 3 a.m. on Saturday, and a copy was sent to police Thursday, Beeld reported.
The video allegedly shows a bribe taking place, followed by a policewoman unzipping a motorist’s pants and performing a sex act on him. “The content of the video is very disturbing and has warranted the management to take immediate action in terms of the SA Police Service (SAPS) disciplinary code,” said the police’s Brigadier Neville Malila, City Press reported. “Internal disciplinary processes are under way, as prescribed by the regulations and policies of the SAPS.” He said the officers were suspended Friday.
Gauteng provincial commissioner Lt. Gen. Mzwandile Petros said there was no place for corrupt police officers in the service. “The message was clear since 2010: If you are corrupt, leave the service or you will be arrested, but leaving the service will also not stop us from arresting you.”
South Africans are frustrated with the country’s police force, widely perceived as corrupt and incompetent. Most shocking have been the recent incidents of brutality and violence, including the dragging death of Mozambican taxi driver Mido Macia in February, and the police shootings of 34 people during a wildcat strike at the Lonmin platinum mine last year.
An official inquiry into the mine incident is continuing. There has also been trouble at the highest echelons of the police service, with the previous two national police commissioners both fired from their jobs — one of them for dodgy property deals, while the other was sentenced to 15 years in jail after being found guilty of taking bribes from a convicted drug dealer.
In 2011, 630 police officers were arrested in Gauteng province alone, mostly for fraud and corruption, the Globe and Mail reported. Here is a portion of the video from Beeld, allegedly showing the bribe and the policewoman with the motorist.
so what is craigB bragging about when their police is far worse than NPF?
It shows that unlike NPF SAPS takes acstion. There have been a number of stings and arrests where corrupt cops have been arrested. In nigeria nothing happens.
chris365: my fellow Nigerians, before i go, let me leave you with this important information i was keeping for myself.
The SA National Defence Force is on the verge of collapse.
With dwindling budgets, an exodus of highly-skilled technical staff and reduced spending on training and equipment, the defence force - according to military experts - can barely meet its constitutional obligations.
Increasing international demands and frequent internal deployments - such as the recent presidential announcement of the deployment of hundreds of troops on crime fighting operations over the next four months - is putting further strain on the already overstretched armed services.
The army has nearly 2000 troops on peacekeeping missions in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Sudan, and military trainers in the Central African Republic and the DRC.
The defence force has military observers deployed under the AU and UN flags in Ethiopia and Eritrea. The navy has a frigate, and air force personnel and aircraft, in the Mozambican channel and Mozambique deployed on anti-piracy operations.
Military analyst Helmoed Heitman said the defence force was now collapsing.
"We have huge sections of the budget spent on salaries, with equipment and training left lacking. We are hopelessly short on manpower - 20000 troops too few - and porous borders that cannot be guarded properly," he said.
"We have pilots who can't fly [sufficient] hours, troops who have been given limits on the amount of ammunition they can use in training, and equipment, such as our frigates, which cannot be maintained because there is no proper budget.
"The defence force is collapsing. If drastic action is not taken soon, in the next three years it will be beyond recovery."
The Defence Department received just over R34-billion last year from the Treasury. Its current budget of R37-billion is expected to increase to R39-billion in the 2013-2014 financial year. Professor Renfrew Christie, dean of research at the University of Western Cape, said the military's budget needed a drastic increase.
"We spend 1% of our gross national product on defence. We need a military capable of looking after our country with the time now coming to increase spending to 2% of GDP," Christie said. "To do our duty, we need a bigger and better equipped military. The option of downscaling our involvement north of our borders is not an option.
"Protecting our country and its borders is far bigger than just putting up fences," he said.
Retired admiral Chris Bennett, the former naval chief of staff, said the massive "poaching" of technical staff had led to numerous crises in the navy.
"Our military, especially on the technical side, is being bled dry by both public and private industries, as well as by foreign militaries.
"Though the navy until now has managed to stay afloat, things are beginning to bite," he said.
it has occurred to me that we have been arguing with a weak country that pretends to portray itself has being strong. this is the main reason why seleka used their soldiers as target practice, and are about to be served as brunch to M23 rebels in DRC.
how can this kind of military take on Nigerian military with shiny weapons they have no personnel for? i'll leave you to have your say from the article.
Some points to remember.
One we have never denied we have problems.
2 our budget is larger than nigerias. We spend 60% of our budget on personal nigeria spends 80%
And the big one is, it is a 2012 artical. Writen before the new budget. While we still underfunded it is no longer critcal.
