chris365:

swear that this isn't better than yours.


SOUTH AFRICAN POLICE BARRACKS ROTTING AWAY

Appalling conditions at some police barracks are contributing to the lack of morale in the South African Police Service and affecting the ability of the men and women in blue tasked with ensuring law and order in the country.

One of the police housing units that Anchen Dreyer, the Democratic Alliance’s Shadow Minister of Public Works, visited was last year declared a health and safety hazard.

“It could easily house at least 100 families but is now illegally occupied by drug dealers and prostitutes,” she said after seeing the run-down condition of Excelsior Court.

The Berea Criminal Investigation Department (CID), which houses the east coast harbour city’s police detective branch, has a leaking roof and rotting carpets.

“The building is also infested with bird lice from pigeons nesting in the roof,” she said.

She will submit questions to Public Works Minister Thulas Nxesi via the portfolio committee after seeing Natalia Court Barracks where police officers have to live with raw sewage seeping through rusted and broken pipes.

This particular police barracks was on the 2012 maintenance list but no work has yet been started due to insufficient funds, she said.

“The overall impression is that Public Works is literally leaving at least some barracks in the Durban area to rot.

“Creating better living conditions for our policemen and women is essential to improving the morale of our police service. They should be treated with dignity, not left to live in squalor,” Dreyer said.

Apart from the three Durban police accommodation and offices police facilities in Carletonville, the old Marshall Street Barracks in Johannesburg and Randfontein’s old Home Affairs building are also in a sorry state.

“All have been largely demolished by vandals and are completely uninhabitable," she said.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29398&Itemid=113

all4naija: .
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----------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER ------------------------------------------------------------


I wish to apologize to all members and visitors who have taken their time to read and contribute in their own various capacity to this very topic for all the inconveniences my misleading information must have caused.

The information I earlier provided regarding the Nigeria's F-7NI and South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter jets costs is totally fallacious and was based on what I earlier collected from a partial view of ample ideas surrounding both fighter jets posted by a particular member in this forum. I thought the right cost for F-7NI Nigeria's fighter jet was quoted to be in the range of 34 -35 million dollars and the South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen Jet to be 40 - 65 million dollars given the slim difference in prices. I have held to that going by my earlier argument. The error was as a result of my refusal to conduct exhaustive search on reviews by experts in the field and aberrant refusal to listen to others.

I must admit I allowed myself to be taken unaware and it has caused me the very huge error in my comments. On that very ground, I would now have to quit the thread while I still post in other areas I am much more familiar with and have enough facts to support my arguments.

Before I would finally call it a day, I would like to thank those who have taken their time to provide helpful information on African military.

1. Augugust, sir. You have been the most informed person on the Nigeria military and equipment, with great insight in military strategy, weapon procurement, reviews on hardware specifications and plans for future activities. I must say at this point I admire your reviews with all enthusiasm. You are an outstanding individual with good military related information background. Please, keep up the nice work.

2. AndrewZa(with different monikers),sir. Your contributions cannot be ignored. You have provided a vast array of views to what South African military has to offer,provided data with prudence in cutting down on size and on military budget, present military equipment available, arms production and sale, etc. There were times you aired your views from a patriotic sideline though has not nullified every of your
contributions.

3. Bcraig, sir. You have added nothing from the expert perspective. There was no way the information you provided was always correct. I must admitted you were like me for admitting a non-professional background in military hardware and reviews. Thanks for your pain-in-the-a$$ comments, they were easy to sail through and refreshing to find out you were more on the patriotic side of the argument - almost becoming an element of troll. Learn to post as a matured individual.

To the others and my humble self, I would want to say we have seen South African military been overrated beyond necessary, although, with the capacity to produce and display well polished military hardware. I have to say at this point that Nigeria is truly the GIANT of Africa(either sleeping or awake). It has been to many troubled countries to help and keeping peace, grant monetary assistance to those going through financial problems, fought for the rights of Africans,just to mentioned but a few. The areas where it has proven to be ahead of South Africa's military in a wide margin.

After much decry over my posts by members of the forum, I wish to call it a day and leave it to those who are experts in the field. Those who have something useful to contribute.

On the final note, I am not going to post on this thread again. I would take this as a complete failure on my side and for the short-sightedness patriotism has caused me in this particular error.

Long live the federal republic of Nigeria, the true GIANT of Africa. Long live Nairaland. Long live South Africa


Thank you all.


P.S. I was told without the armament and some other features that SAAB JAS 39 Gripen can cost less than the 40 -65 million dollar range. I don't know how truthful that information is.

Horus:

Made in Nigeria APC Igirigi

all4naija: .
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----------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER ------------------------------------------------------------


I wish to apologize to all members and visitors who have taken their time to read and contribute in their own various capacity to this very topic for all the inconveniences my misleading information must have caused.

The information I earlier provided regarding the Nigeria's F-7NI and South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter jets costs is totally fallacious and was based on what I earlier collected from a partial view of ample ideas surrounding both fighter jets posted by a particular member in this forum. I thought the right cost for F-7NI Nigeria's fighter jet was quoted to be in the range of 34 -35 million dollars and the South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen Jet to be 40 - 65 million dollars given the slim difference in prices. I have held to that going by my earlier argument. The error was as a result of my refusal to conduct exhaustive search on reviews by experts in the field and aberrant refusal to listen to others.

I must admit I allowed myself to be taken unaware and it has caused me the very huge error in my comments. On that very ground, I would now have to quit the thread while I still post in other areas I am much more familiar with and have enough facts to support my arguments.

Before I would finally call it a day, I would like to thank those who have taken their time to provide helpful information on African military.

1. Augugust, sir. You have been the most informed person on the Nigeria military and equipment, with great insight in military strategy, weapon procurement, reviews on hardware specifications and plans for future activities. I must say at this point I admire your reviews with all enthusiasm. You are an outstanding individual with good military related information background. Please, keep up the nice work.

2. AndrewZa(with different monikers),sir. Your contributions cannot be ignored. You have provided a vast array of views to what South African military has to offer,provided data with prudence in cutting down on size and on military budget, present military equipment available, arms production and sale, etc. There were times you aired your views from a patriotic sideline though has not nullified every of your
contributions.

3. Bcraig, sir. You have added nothing from the expert perspective. There was no way the information you provided was always correct. I must admitted you were like me for admitting a non-professional background in military hardware and reviews. Thanks for your pain-in-the-a$$ comments, they were easy to sail through and refreshing to find out you were more on the patriotic side of the argument - almost becoming an element of troll. Learn to post as a matured individual.

To the others and my humble self, I would want to say we have seen South African military been overrated beyond necessary, although, with the capacity to produce and display well polished military hardware. I have to say at this point that Nigeria is truly the GIANT of Africa(either sleeping or awake). It has been to many troubled countries to help and keeping peace, grant monetary assistance to those going through financial problems, fought for the rights of Africans,just to mentioned but a few. The areas where it has proven to be ahead of South Africa's military in a wide margin.

After much decry over my posts by members of the forum, I wish to call it a day and leave it to those who are experts in the field. Those who have something useful to contribute.

On the final note, I am not going to post on this thread again. I would take this as a complete failure on my side and for the short-sightedness patriotism has caused me in this particular error.

Long live the federal republic of Nigeria, the true GIANT of Africa. Long live Nairaland. Long live South Africa


Thank you all.


P.S. I was told without the armament and some other features that SAAB JAS 39 Gripen can cost less than the 40 -65 million dollar range. I don't know how truthful that information is.

Donian007: JEEZE! Who gave birth to this mess of a juvenile?

agaugust:

sure the naija team appreciates your many comments....on behalf of all my senior brothers @Henry, @Sheyie, @Souldust, @Donian, @Solomon, @Chris, @Drag_on, @NaijapikinGidi, @Hezron Lorraine, @Hommerac, @Every other team nigeria member of this forum/thread/topic, i wish you good bye, keep close to God and your destiny will shine through his divine grace.

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Horus:


Made in Nigeria APC Igirigi

agaugust:


thanks for the photo. make una help us beg naija army to release photo of spy balloon too, and the land drone USV, then the air force to release photo of the anti-bomb robot. nigeria is an emerging arms manufacturer that will soon be a market mover in the west african sub-region to start with, and then progress outward...our navy is talking about building a very sophisticated warship together with France and we will build and sell to west africa countries. photo below

Thiza: South African Special Forces (RECCES) patrolling on a Proudly South African manufactired vehicle......not China, Pakistan or India

zaandrew:

Note even the artical menstions how saps does not use them though.

zaandrew:
You complian I post old news yet you are for ever recyling the same bull story that we have shown to be wrong. Why don't you post what the rebels say in the artical where that photo comes from.

Thiza: SAPS TASK FORCE

chris365: my fellow Nigerians, before i go, let me leave you with this important information i was keeping for myself.

The SA National Defence Force is on the verge of collapse.

With dwindling budgets, an exodus of highly-skilled technical staff and reduced spending on training and equipment, the defence force - according to military experts - can barely meet its constitutional obligations.

Increasing international demands and frequent internal deployments - such as the recent presidential announcement of the deployment of hundreds of troops on crime fighting operations over the next four months - is putting further strain on the already overstretched armed services.

The army has nearly 2000 troops on peacekeeping missions in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Sudan, and military trainers in the Central African Republic and the DRC.

The defence force has military observers deployed under the AU and UN flags in Ethiopia and Eritrea. The navy has a frigate, and air force personnel and aircraft, in the Mozambican channel and Mozambique deployed on anti-piracy operations.

Military analyst Helmoed Heitman said the defence force was now collapsing.

"We have huge sections of the budget spent on salaries, with equipment and training left lacking. We are hopelessly short on manpower - 20000 troops too few - and porous borders that cannot be guarded properly," he said.

"We have pilots who can't fly [sufficient] hours, troops who have been given limits on the amount of ammunition they can use in training, and equipment, such as our frigates, which cannot be maintained because there is no proper budget.

"The defence force is collapsing. If drastic action is not taken soon, in the next three years it will be beyond recovery."

The Defence Department received just over R34-billion last year from the Treasury. Its current budget of R37-billion is expected to increase to R39-billion in the 2013-2014 financial year. Professor Renfrew Christie, dean of research at the University of Western Cape, said the military's budget needed a drastic increase.

"We spend 1% of our gross national product on defence. We need a military capable of looking after our country with the time now coming to increase spending to 2% of GDP," Christie said. "To do our duty, we need a bigger and better equipped military. The option of downscaling our involvement north of our borders is not an option.

"Protecting our country and its borders is far bigger than just putting up fences," he said.

Retired admiral Chris Bennett, the former naval chief of staff, said the massive "poaching" of technical staff had led to numerous crises in the navy.

"Our military, especially on the technical side, is being bled dry by both public and private industries, as well as by foreign militaries.

"Though the navy until now has managed to stay afloat, things are beginning to bite," he said.

"The right funding has not been given to the military [which is] being required more and more by parliament to do things [parliament is] not prepared to pay for.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2012/09/25/sandf-in-big-trouble

it has occurred to me that we have been arguing with a weak country that pretends to portray itself has being strong.
this is the main reason why seleka used their soldiers as target practice, and are about to be served as brunch to M23 rebels in DRC.

how can this kind of military take on Nigerian military with shiny weapons they have no personnel for? i'll leave you to have your say from the article.

chris365: SA police officers caught on tape taking bribes, performing sexual act (WATCH)

A South African policeman has been caught on video accepting money from a man on whom a policewoman then performs a sexual act for money. The 20-minute video was recorded in a parking lot near the East Rand Mall, in Boksburg, at 3 a.m. on Saturday, and a copy was sent to police Thursday, Beeld reported.

The video allegedly shows a bribe taking place, followed by a policewoman unzipping a motorist’s pants and performing a sex act on him. “The content of the video is very disturbing and has warranted the management to take immediate action in terms of the SA Police Service (SAPS) disciplinary code,” said the police’s Brigadier Neville Malila, City Press reported. “Internal disciplinary processes are under way, as prescribed by the regulations and policies of the SAPS.” He said the officers were suspended Friday.

Gauteng provincial commissioner Lt. Gen. Mzwandile Petros said there was no place for corrupt police officers in the service. “The message was clear since 2010: If you are corrupt, leave the service or you will be arrested, but leaving the service will also not stop us from arresting you.”

South Africans are frustrated with the country’s police force, widely perceived as corrupt and incompetent. Most shocking have been the recent incidents of brutality and violence, including the dragging death of Mozambican taxi driver Mido Macia in February, and the police shootings of 34 people during a wildcat strike at the Lonmin platinum mine last year.

An official inquiry into the mine incident is continuing. There has also been trouble at the highest echelons of the police service, with the previous two national police commissioners both fired from their jobs — one of them for dodgy property deals, while the other was sentenced to 15 years in jail after being found guilty of taking bribes from a convicted drug dealer.

In 2011, 630 police officers were arrested in Gauteng province alone, mostly for fraud and corruption, the Globe and Mail reported. Here is a portion of the video from Beeld, allegedly showing the bribe and the policewoman with the motorist.

http://www.ynaija.com/sa-police-officers-caught-on-tape-taking-bribes-performing-sexual-act-watch/

so what is craigB bragging about when their police is far worse than NPF?

agaugust:


hahhhahahhah

south african police too is corrupt ! south african politicians collected $3.6 million bribe from sweden's saab company to make south african air force by Gripen jets.


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Thiza: lOOK ON SOME OF THE POSTED PHOTOS AND YOU SHALL SEE CRIMINALS BEING APPREHENDED. This unit only deals with High risk situation ie: Terrorism, Bank Heist, Kidnappings, Hostage rescuing etc.....Fighting criminals is the job of the South African Police Services

chris365:

swear that this isn't better than yours.


SOUTH AFRICAN POLICE BARRACKS ROTTING AWAY

Appalling conditions at some police barracks are contributing to the lack of morale in the South African Police Service and affecting the ability of the men and women in blue tasked with ensuring law and order in the country.

One of the police housing units that Anchen Dreyer, the Democratic Alliance’s Shadow Minister of Public Works, visited was last year declared a health and safety hazard.

“It could easily house at least 100 families but is now illegally occupied by drug dealers and prostitutes,” she said after seeing the run-down condition of Excelsior Court.

The Berea Criminal Investigation Department (CID), which houses the east coast harbour city’s police detective branch, has a leaking roof and rotting carpets.

“The building is also infested with bird lice from pigeons nesting in the roof,” she said.

She will submit questions to Public Works Minister Thulas Nxesi via the portfolio committee after seeing Natalia Court Barracks where police officers have to live with raw sewage seeping through rusted and broken pipes.

This particular police barracks was on the 2012 maintenance list but no work has yet been started due to insufficient funds, she said.

“The overall impression is that Public Works is literally leaving at least some barracks in the Durban area to rot.

“Creating better living conditions for our policemen and women is essential to improving the morale of our police service. They should be treated with dignity, not left to live in squalor,” Dreyer said.

Apart from the three Durban police accommodation and offices police facilities in Carletonville, the old Marshall Street Barracks in Johannesburg and Randfontein’s old Home Affairs building are also in a sorry state.

“All have been largely demolished by vandals and are completely uninhabitable," she said.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29398&Itemid=113

there are many rotten and decayed places all over south africa, they dont post those slum and smelly places photos here, they hide their head in the sand like a F00LISH ostritch....the huge body is still shown outside the sand hole

zaandrew:

It shows that unlike NPF SAPS takes acstion. There have been a number of stings and arrests where corrupt cops have been arrested. In nigeria nothing happens.

zaandrew:



Some points to remember.

One we have never denied we have problems.

2 our budget is larger than nigerias. We spend 60% of our budget on personal nigeria spends 80%

And the big one is, it is a 2012 artical. Writen before the new budget. While we still underfunded it is no longer critcal.

Thiza: @AGAUGUST YOU BECOMING NAIVE AND JELOUSY...SOME NIGERIAN WERE PRAISING LIBYA AS STRONG MILITARY POWER AND SINCE ITS DEMISE, NIGERIANS ARE NOW PRAISING EGYPT ANSD SOONER IT GET VANGUSIH FROM THE UNITED STATE AID WHICH IS ON THE VERGE OF BEING SUSPENDED IF THEY GO AHEAD WITH THE REMOVAL OF DULLY DEMOCRATIC ELECTED PRESIDENT MORSI.

LETS WAIT AND SEE THESE DEVELOPMENTS. @AGAUGUST ACCEPT NIGERIA MAYBE A MILITARY POWER BUT IS NOWHERE NEAR SOUTH AFRICA IN TERMS OF MILITARY FIREPOWER AND DEVELOPMENT