rka1:

You mean with all the under utilised white elephant stadia you have after the world cup?

What stadiums are used for concerts,rugby and other sport matches in South Africa?!?.... LIES AGAIN!!!!!

agaugust:


fool, the world from equator down to southern hemisphere contains only about 20 of about 150 countries of the world ! and nigeria is not among those below equator countries, means your dominance excludes nigeria, egypt, algeria, libya, morroco, ethiopia, ghana, and all arabia/middle east, all europe, north and central america, and 99% of asia.....almost the whole world

you thought you were praising your self....fool !!

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South Africa has a bigger defence industry than any African country. Nigeria,Morocco,Ethiopia,Ghana and Egypt included. Nigerian police have even shown interest in the Springbok A2 vehicle from DCD. Our army has no Nigerian vehicle in its vehicle fleet but Nigeria has a few South African made vehicles. THE BEST,BADDEST AND BIGGEST IN AFRICA.

Mike..ZA:
South Africa has a bigger defence industry than any African country. Nigeria,Morocco,Ethiopia,Ghana and Egypt included. Nigerian police have even shown interest in the Springbok A2 vehicle from DCD. Our army has no Nigerian vehicle in its vehicle fleet but Nigeria has a few South African made vehicles. THE BEST,BADDEST AND BIGGEST IN AFRICA.

Please name one SA vehicle that Nigerian military uses. Just one. You this fantasist.

Mike..ZA:
South Africa has a bigger defence industry than any African country. Nigeria,Morocco,Ethiopia,Ghana and Egypt included. Nigerian police have even shown interest in the Springbok A2 vehicle from DCD. Our army has no Nigerian vehicle in its vehicle fleet but Nigeria has a few South African made vehicles. THE BEST,BADDEST AND BIGGEST IN AFRICA.

we've shown interest in many hardwares even Brazilian made . buh, do we have any SA made hardware currently? nah ..they're useless ....I do, however, want us to buy the Brazilian tucano light trainer jets.. would be great for the North East operations but we only showed interest

Mike..ZA:
No problem there. It shows how the BIG BROTHER(South Africa) is helping the smaller brother(Nigeria) to get up. Economy? Pssfffffff. China is the second biggest economy in the world but we know they still rely on Europe for weapons. We again know Russia can defeat them without usage of nuclear weapons. 1. Britain produces better weapons than China 2. France produces better weapons than China. 3. German produces better weapons than China 4. Spain produces better weapons than China 5. Italy produces better weapons than China. 6. Israel produces better weapons than China. 7. South Africa produces better weapons than China 8. Sweden produces better weapons than China 8. Finland produces better weapons than China..............The list is endless......Your copy masters can be defeated by the USA too.

Man (boy) are you deluded or what? If China produces inferior weapons, why is the WEST afraid of China (including the US)?

If you are big brother to us, why is our economy now bigger than yours? By the way, Nigerians also invest in SA as do other countries.

Mike..ZA:
What stadiums are used for concerts,rugby and other sport matches in South Africa?!?.... LIES AGAIN!!!!!

WHITE ELEPHANTS .

rka1:

Man (boy) are you deluded or what? If China produces inferior weapons, why is the WEST afraid of China (including the US)?

If you are big brother to us, why is our economy now bigger that yours? By the way, Nigerians also invest in SA as do other countries.

Leave the boy make he dey talk nonsense.

Turkey recently decided to buy Chinese missile interceptors. While overlooking the overrated US patriot missile defense.

Europe and the west recently raised concerns over China's ship building capabilities.

Na ignorance go kill these guys I swear.

chris365:

Leave the boy make he dey talk nonsense.

Turkey recently decided to buy Chinese missile interceptors. While overlooking the overrated US patriot missile defense.

Europe and the west recently raised concerns over China's ship building capabilities.

Na ignorance go kill these guys I swear.

Make u no mind the fantasist jare! Na Hollywood or bust for am.

Mike..ZA:
Lies and insults again. Your navy can't and will never defeat SAN,your fast vessels moving can be easily destroyed by the main gun fitted on the frigates. Regarding air forces a single Gripen can shot down all your F-7 jets one by one which are blind. The Gripen has a better radar and EW gear.......................Your demonstrated his stupidity and proven that without the help of fighter jets your navy will run and hide its vessels....................Army: what marksman ship are you talking about? The SANDF has demonstrated it has sharp shooters in the DRC. When they dislodged the M23 close to their base in Munigi. Besides your mechanised columns will be reduced to burning steel while the smell of human waste fill the skies by air strikes. Investigate how accurate where mortars in the DRC and how deadly accurate where the G5 and G6 guns in Angola. Show us where artillery and mortars where accurate and deadly at long ranges. NO AIR FORCE NO VICTORY.

am coming back for your head big time, its time for me to post other peoples debate and comments on other international military threads/forums like nairaland and see how an F-7 jet will demolish F-16 jet or a careless F-22 stealth raptor.

just let me finish attending the special program in the church today make i no become pagan..Lol, i will come back for that your coconut head tonight before i go to sleep. you dis papa ajasco !!!

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Augustine Again:

am coming back for your head big time, its time for me to post other peoples debate and comments on other international military threads/forums like nairaland and see how an F-7 jet will demolish F-16 jet or a careless F-22 stealth raptor.

just let me finish attending the special program in the church today make i no become pagan..Lol, i will come back for that your coconut head tonight before i go to sleep. you dis papa ajasco !!!

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lol... I eagerly await ur viscious counter attack on that moi moi seller jor...

''... An F-7 jet will demolish an F-16 jet or a careless F-22 stealth raptor''

@Agaugust Lol come out and make us laugh you 419'er! The Special church service should be out by now.

chris365:

Please name one SA vehicle that Nigerian military uses. Just one. You this fantasist.

Springbok

Fighter Pilot:

Springbok

last time I checked springbok is an animal name in Afrikaans

Fighter Pilot:

Springbok

At this time sir. I will start addressing you as an ignorant buffoon.

Nigerian military has no SA military vehicle in it's arsenal. We buy top range not low range.

Springbok only plans to open a plant in Nigeria. And so far it has only been a pipe dream.

I know your type and yours is just worst. Fake soldier

rka1:

Man (boy) are you deluded or what? If China produces inferior weapons, why is the WEST afraid of China (including the US)?

If you are big brother to us, why is our economy now bigger than yours? By the way, Nigerians also invest in SA as do other countries.

Nigeria's economy is not yet bigger than South Africas. That dream will only be realised in 2020. Beside, economy does not determine who is bigger. China might have the bigger economy than UK and eventually will overtake that of the US, but the UK is much more developed than China at every respect. China is overpopulated and its economy is just only good for its people.

Fighter Pilot:

Nigeria's economy is not yet bigger than South Africas. That dream will only be realised in 2020. Beside, economy does not determine who is bigger. China might have the bigger economy than UK and eventually will overtake that of the US, but the UK is much more developed than China at every respect. China is overpopulated and its economy is just only good for its people.

Total miss yarn. Smh for this olodo soldier

Fighter Pilot:

China is overpopulated and its economy is just only good for its people.

a country with a billion plus people and an economy that is on its way to become the best in the world, can not be compared to a dwindling middle power state with a average population.

Fighter Pilot:

Nigeria's economy is not yet bigger than South Africas. That dream will only be realised in 2020. Beside, economy does not determine who is bigger. China might have the bigger economy than UK and eventually will overtake that of the US, but the UK is much more developed than China at every respect. China is overpopulated and its economy is just only good for its people.

you're ultra dumb

scipher: you're ultra dumb

Nothing, but the truth. Does it hurt that much?

Nigeria27:

a country with a billion plus people and an economy that is on its way to become the best in the world, can not be compared to a dwindling middle power state with a average population.

That is very true my friend, China does not excite the world, nobody wants to be in China beside its booming economy. UK's economy is smaller than that of China, but it has low poverty rate than China due to its high GDP/capita which is the best indicator to show how rich any country is. Equitorial Guinea is undoubtedly the richest country in Africa beside its small economy due to its high GDP/Capita which equals that of developed countries.

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Pakistani F-7 jets are the counterpart of Indian MiG 21 Bison and Romanian MiG 21 Lancers, these 3 jets are upgraded to fight and survive against F-16 jets, F-18, MiG 29, Gripen and other 4th generation light jet fighters in that class.


Romania retired all MiG 29 jets and replaced them with moderninzed MiG 21 Jets for its NATO air power operations...that tells you something.

F-7 NI jet is still superior to MiG 21 Lancer and Bison because of the new F-7 jet swept wing and bubble canopy for extra capacity in dog fight maneuvers, ground attack maneuvers and enemy aircraft spotting in visual range combat. The only area the MiG 21 Lancer and Bison have an edge is beyond visual range radar and missiles.

Now let us read what other military forums around the world are saying, some of the commentators are real jet fighter pilots in the best air forces of the world today....surprises for you if you read :


"The MiG-21 LanceR is still a MiG-21, the airframe is the same, while the engine suffered minor modifications. However, just as long the radar and weapons systems installed onboard will be competitive, just as long the helmet mounted display and firing system will continue to represent the edge of technology, and just as long the Romanian fighter pilots will continue to win international exercises, the MiG-21 Lancer will remain a formidable opponent, often under-evaluated by foreign analysts.

Some will argue that they have the best planes in the world and no MiG-21, no matter what it carries onboard, will ever be able to face an F-15, F-18 or F-16 in combat. Well, all those pilots who have flown the Lancer, may they be French, American, Dutch, Belgian or British have been extremely impressed of its performances and the American fighter pilots have stated that the Lancer has real chances to win a dogfight with any of their fighters.

http://www.lockonfiles.com/topic/35934-mig-21-lancer/



A No.20 Sqn 'Cheetahs' F-7PG aircraft doing effective low-level attack as in the weblink below. This air superiority squadron is tasked with day/night air superiority and day ground attack /Close-Air-Support (CAS) to ground forces. No.20 Sqn has been a vital fighting element of PAF since more than past 55 years. Over the years this unit has performed in Tactial Reconnaissance, Tactial day/night attack and air-superiority roles.

http://www.pafwallpapers.com/gallery_F-7.htm



F-7 jets droping counter measure flares to defend itself against enemy missiles in combat

http://www.pafwallpapers.com/gallery_F-7/F-7s_horizon_flares.jpg



The pilot also says the IAF’s MiG-21 Bison aircraft, modified with Israeli radar, active radar missiles and electronic jammers, are nearly “invisible” to the F-15 and F-16’s current mechanically-scanned arrays, allowing the Indian pilots to sneak past the USAF radar screen and engage the F-15s and F-16s in dogfights.

“The MiG-21 had the ability to get in the scissors with you at 110kts at 60 degrees nose high and go from 10,000 to 20,000

feet,” he said.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/defence-strategic-issues/22338-indian-mig-21-bison-v-s-paf-jf-17-has-edge-2.html



Draft copy of the exercise Cope India report says:

While the superb performances of IAF Sukhoi-30s were somewhat anticipated, the performance of MiG-21Bison came as a major

“unpleasant surprise” to the USAF officials. It also validates the claim of the Russian officials that they are capable of successfully converting “second generation” late-model MiG-21bis fighters to “fourth generation combat platforms”. Inherently the significant positive attributes enjoyed by MiG-21s were their dog fighting ability in WVR (Within Visual Range) combat. Even the earlier models had a low corner velocity of 556 kilometers per hour and at Mach 0.5 had an instantaneous turn rate of 11.1 degrees per second. The MiG-21Bison with more powerful R-25 engines not only considerably bettered this performance but it may also be credited with “jackrabbit” acceleration, a very critical attribute in WVR combat.

A well flown Mig 21 is worth half a dozen badly flown F22's or F35's .


http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?121375-MiG-21-still-unpleasant-surprise-at-Cope-India-exercise-how-so

http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Perfor...6439329&sr=1-1



Among many fourth generations attributes added to the IAF MiG-21Bison design, the incorporation of HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) and high-off-boresight R-73RDM2 NBVR/WVR (Near Beyond Visual Range/Within Visual Range) AAMs (Air-to-Air Missiles) have turned it into a “Great Equalizer” in the WVR combat scenario. Conceptually a small number of MiG-21Bisons maintaining “radar silence” can be guided towards their aerial target by a couple of Sukhoi-30s by secure data links in accordance with MFFC (Mixed Fighter Force Concept).


Upon entering into an WVR combat envelope the MiG-21 Bisons armed with HMS and deadly NBVR/WVR missiles had the capability of destroying even 5th generation jet fighters like F-22 Raptor as assessed by high-profile Jet Fighter Pilot and Analyst Ben Lambeth of RAND Corporation. According to Lambeth “in visual combat everybody dies at the same rate.”


F/A-22 also has to slow down if forced into a WVR combat scenario and loses the advantage of its super-cruise attributes.The situation further complicates if the IAF Sukhoi-30s have acquired the capability of providing target illumination for RVV-AE (AA-12 Adder) BVR missiles being launched from IAF MiG-21Bisons at extended ranges.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2428939



MiG 21 Lancers have also participated successfully in various NATO exercises. The modernized aircraft demonstrated exceptional readiness levels, relative to their former status, as well as to comparable NATO air forces. In such exercises, the Romanian pilots could participate in the most sophisticated modes of operations, such as laser designation of targets, and precision attacks -capabilities that are yet to be acquired by NATO newcomers.


The MiG 21 Lancer fleet now constitutes the backbone of the Romanian Air Force, performing air defense, close air support and training roles. The aircraft can carry both Eastern and western armament, and perform extremely accurate attacks with both “iron bombs” and precision guided weapons. Lancer is cleared for missiles such as the R60, R73 and Python 3 missiles, 250 and 500 lb bombs, laser guided munitions, targeting, ECM and Reconnaissance pods etc. The Lancer has demonstrated a circular error point (CEP) accuracy of 7 mil/radian and below, while maintaining 1-2meter CEP with laser guided weapons. The aircraft is also cleared for asymmetric loading of weapons, which provides a more flexible and economical use of weapons. Among the 110 aircraft, 85 are configured for ground attack, equipped with a ranging radar, while 25 are air defense variants, using the Elta EL/M-2032 air combat radar.

http://defense-update.com/news/lancer.htm "



F-7 NI Jets and its counterparts MiG 21 Lancer and Bison, will match any MiG 29, F-16, F-18 or Gripen jet in within visual range battle of less than 37km range distance.

All south african Gripen jets have ONLY within visual range missiles whether the current IRIS-T or the planned/still awaited A-DARTER missiles. FACT !!!

for all people, nigerians, south africans and others who have underestimated nigerian F-7 NI jets, i have allowed other people arround the world to talk and help you correct your wrong views that F-7NI jet is crap in air combat and weak in ground attack.

There is a difference between a country buying a jet fighter for the job needed to be done at that time, and just buying a jet fighter to show off and display national pride.

Dare a tiny Scorpion and it will sting you with a dose of poison from its little tail....instant death is guaranteed. Thank you sirs .


JET PHOTOS IN ORDER :

1. MiG 21 Lancer
2. MiG 21 Bison
3. F-7
4. Gripen

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Fighter Pilot:

Nothing, but the truth. Does it hurt that much?

hurt me? I'm I Chinese ...dummy

Mike..ZA:
No problem there. It shows how the BIG BROTHER(South Africa) is helping the smaller brother(Nigeria) to get up. Economy? Pssfffffff. China is the second biggest economy in the world but we know they still rely on Europe for weapons. We again know Russia can defeat them without usage of nuclear weapons. 1. Britain produces better weapons than China 2. France produces better weapons than China. 3. German produces better weapons than China 4. Spain produces better weapons than China 5. Italy produces better weapons than China. 6. Israel produces better weapons than China. 7. South Africa produces better weapons than China 8. Sweden produces better weapons than China 8. Finland produces better weapons than China..............The list is endless......Your copy masters can be defeated by the USA too.

All those NATO countries you mentioned have NEVER produced one single stealth jet fighter in all their lives as European and world super powers.

China that you are insulting has produced a stealth jet fighter and nuclear powered submarines.

China is the 3rd military super power in the world after only America and Russia.

the white nations of Europe and America can go eat their technology, Nigeria has found a new way to greatness....

Nigeria is now China's partner as we get latest military technology now. Watch out South Africa, China will make Nigeria to overtake you in defence industry and weapons development/manufacturing likely in the next 5 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20



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Mike..ZA:


Nigeria has no ELINT or EW plane. The ATR-42MP which it operates is a maritime surveillance or patrol aircraft.

we nigerians have posted till we got tired with sources and photos on our ATR-42 Surveyor ELINT, ESM, ECM, EW, and ECCM.

i wont repeat it because it is well know on this forum that anythime we mention our NAF ATR-42 mighty Surveyor aircraft, all south africans on nairaland begin to tremble as if a supreme court judge is about to sentence them to death by hanging....

so write/sign your final will and kiss your wife goodbye before you watch this video, because you may need to hang yourself from the ceiling fan.


ELINT upgrade video, see the new 'hump' at the back of the aircraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7WPwzooIDY
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agaugust:
All those NATO countries you mentioned have NEVER produced one single stealth jet fighter in all their lives as European and world super powers.
China that you are insulting has produced a stealth jet fighter and nuclear powered submarines.
China is the 3rd military super power in the world after only America and Russia.
the white nations of Europe and America can go eat their technology, Nigeria has found a new way to greatness....
Nigeria is now China's partner as we get latest military technology now. Watch out South Africa, China will make Nigeria to overtake you in defence industry and weapons development/manufacturing likely in the next 5 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20
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China's products are unreliable. You have seen with your satellite and fighter planes and you should have learnt your lesson well by now. China have a tendency of taking Africans for granted, ask Chika Onyeani, the author of capitalist nigga.

Fighter Pilot:

China's products are unreliable.
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Okay then, let South African Navy sail to China and attack them tomorrow, make sure you travel with them.

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Brilliant analysis agaugust.

Fighter Pilot:

China's products are unreliable.

yet is one of the biggest arms exporters in the world. keep fooling yourself.

chris365:

yet is one of the biggest arms exporters in the world. keep fooling yourself.

China are the world's 5th largest arms exporter. The are ahead of the U.K.

agaugust:

Okay then, let South African Navy sail to China and attack them tomorrow, make sure you travel with them.

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What does producing unreliable products have to do with war?

Fighter Pilot:

What does producing unreliable products have to do with war?

Since you say their products are not reliable, you can go challenge them and 'win'...just show your confidence in your own 'better' weapons.

chris365:

yet is one of the biggest arms exporters in the world. keep fooling yourself.

Of course, their products are very cheap and sell like hot dogs. China rely more on quantity (number) than quality (type of material) and their products are patronised most by poor Afrrican countries who cannot afford original version of such products.