conm:

You are such a fool! all liberation movements were trained by Tanzanians. Your president Jocob Zuma was as well trained in Tanzania so was namibia president (Pohamba) and Mozambique president (Guebuza) the current Zimbabwean top commander (Gen Constantine Chiwengwa) was trained in Tanzania the list is so long. Zimbabwe or SA are nothing short of pathetic!! The list is rubbish simply because your chicken forces are not in the list??

the site has indicated pretty well "Please keep in mind that this fascinating list is in no particular order. We just hope you enjoy this one."

lot of butthurt people around here.

Zuma was never trained in Tanzania,get your facts straight. The same Tanzania SA Recces penetrated during missions,even destroying bridges and power lines near their capital city? MK had bases and trained in Angola,Uganda,Algeria,Libya,East German and other USSR states. SA special forces attacked targets anywhere in SADC(Malawi,Zambia,Botswana,Lesotho,Tanzania,Mozambique etc). Regarding Zimbabwe SF they fought in the DRC bloody well and led the final assault on UNITA.

conm:

You are such a fool! all liberation movements were trained by Tanzanians. Your president Jocob Zuma was as well trained in Tanzania so was namibia president (Pohamba) and Mozambique president (Guebuza) the current Zimbabwean top commander (Gen Constantine Chiwengwa) was trained in Tanzania the list is so long. Zimbabwe or SA are nothing short of pathetic!! The list is rubbish simply because your chicken forces are not in the list??

the site has indicated pretty well "Please keep in mind that this fascinating list is in no particular order. We just hope you enjoy this one."

lot of butthurt people around here.

The List rubbish. If anyone is gonna talk about African SF units SA SF ans Zim SF should always be there.

conm:

You are such a fool! all liberation movements were trained by Tanzanians. Your president Jocob Zuma was as well trained in Tanzania so was namibia president (Pohamba) and Mozambique president (Guebuza) the current Zimbabwean top commander (Gen Constantine Chiwengwa) was trained in Tanzania the list is so long. Zimbabwe or SA are nothing short of pathetic!! The list is rubbish simply because your chicken forces are not in the list??

the site has indicated pretty well "Please keep in mind that this fascinating list is in no particular order. We just hope you enjoy this one."

lot of butthurt people around here.

Lol hahahaha wow this guy is delusional ey, Please google "African Special Forces" and tell us what comes up, Tanzania is only mentioned in that group because of the pictures that were released of them in Congo, what history does Congo Special forces have? What about the Algerians and the Egyptians the person made that list has no knowledge of african special forces, SAPS STF could wipe those guys out, S.A special Forces snipers were wreaking havoc on M23 positions deep behind enemy lines in Congo.... How many Hostage Rescues and Sabotages have the Tanzanian Special forces done?

homerac7: @ All

INFORMATION

NNS Aradu has left the dry dock at Wilmot Point. It is currently sitting at the navy dockyard, NNS Quorra. In other words it has completed its refit and is back in service. Although paint work hasn't been done on it as at the last time I saw it at the dockyard because one can see patches of where work were done on its hull. Tried taking pictures but my phone couldn't zoom in enough.

This is great news. What it means is, NN strategic guidance for 2014 is on schedule.

I am banned again now, 4th time in 24 hours.

Otomat weblinks gets me banned.

I may just post without photo screen shots without comments. If you dont here from me again, its another ban o !

Mike..ZA:
Zuma was never trained in Tanzania,get your facts straight. The same Tanzania SA Recces penetrated during missions,even destroying bridges and power lines near their capital city? MK had bases and trained in Angola,Uganda,Algeria,Libya,East German and other USSR states. SA special forces attacked targets anywhere in SADC(Malawi,Zambia,Botswana,Lesotho,Tanzania,Mozambique etc). Regarding Zimbabwe SF they fought in the DRC bloody and led the final assault on UNITA.

The African National Congress in Tanzania

"After taking power in Tanzania, Nyerere became one of the architects for the formation of the Organisation of African Unity (OAU) and remained an ardent supporter of the continent’s liberation struggles. Tanzania provided facilities for liberation movements such as the African National Congress (ANC), Pan Africanist Congress (PAC), the Zimbabwe African People’s Union (ZAPU), the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU), the South West African People’s Organisation (SWAPO), FRELIMO and the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA), and allowed them to operate from its soil. In addition, the Tanzanian government allowed the organisations to use Radio Tanzania to broadcast messages to their respective countries.

In the aftermath of the Sharpeville Massacre, the government banned the ANC and the PAC in South Africa. The ANC then sent Frene Ginwala to Tanzania with instructions to establish an office in Dar-es Salaam, and await further communication. Once in the country, she worked as a journalist while carrying out work for the ANC, which included receiving comrades arriving in Dar-es Saalam. Meanwhile, in 1960 the party instructed Oliver Tambo to clandestinely leave the country and establish offices for the movement in exile. He was also authorised to seek international support for the struggle against apartheid. Tambo skipped the country through Bechuanaland, in a car driven by Ronald Segal. Once in Bechuanaland he contacted Frene Ginwala, who made arrangements for a plane to fly Tambo, Dr Yusuf Dadoo and Segal to Dar-es-Salaam. Upon arrival they were welcomed by Julius Nyerere, and from that time Tanzania became an important point of contact and transit for the ANC in exile." you can go through the link and read more for yourself: http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/umkhonto-wesizwe-mk-exile?page=8

I look at you as a fool because you seem to know nothing about history. Malawi was darling of apartheid while Angola was under Portuguese at that time. Only after it was liberated its when ANC opened camps in Angola while the biggest military base of ANC was still in Tanzania.

You are talking about Zimbabwe fighting with rebel group such as UNITA!! really Do you know how many wars has Tanzania fought??

"What the people of Tanzania have given to us can never be measured in monetary terms. Nor can it be quantified. It was from Tanzania and many other countries that we executed many military campaigns against apartheid South Africa. Most importantly, it was with the moral and material support of the Tanzanian people that we managed to defeat apartheid." these are words of your president Jacob Zuma read: http://www.thepresidency.gov.za/pebble.asp?relid=4512&t=79

80KM RANGE WITHOUT HELO. 43 NM = 80 KM when you launch two Otomat MK 1 together at same time. They cooperate to extend range to max.

Nigerians are good in fabrications,zuma got military training in Mozambique and Angola...
indeed there are many ANC people who were trained in Tanzania,SANDF had to re-train those integrated....anyway I don't want to be part of this useless debate because our friends from Nigeria base their arguments with propaganda,lies and arrogance...
I thought this debate is between SA and Nigeria,surprisingly when our friends from Nigeria run short of rockets they hide behind other countries....

am not a military expert....keep on writing lies,someone over there enjoys reading them

conm:

You are such a fool! all liberation movements were trained by Tanzanians. Your president Jocob Zuma was as well trained in Tanzania so was namibia president (Pohamba) and Mozambique president (Guebuza) the current Zimbabwean top commander (Gen Constantine Chiwengwa) was trained in Tanzania the list is so long. Zimbabwe or SA are nothing short of pathetic!! The list is rubbish simply because your chicken forces are not in the list??

the site has indicated pretty well "Please keep in mind that this fascinating list is in no particular order. We just hope you enjoy this one."

lot of butthurt people around here.

INBUILT DATA

The Otomat is an unusual missile. The four double-delta wings are each mounted on an air intake and are tipped with a datalink antenna.. Between two of the wing pairs are a pair of solid rocket launch boosters which are jettisoned after four seconds. A radar altimeter is fitted to the underside. The jet engine is to the rear along with the cruciform guidance fins. The missile comes sealed in a fiberglass container that needs maintenance only once a year. Launch is via the MM/OJ-791 operator console.

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datalink allows two Otomats stagger-fired to “cooperate” and extend their maximum range from 35NM to 43 ¼ NM......

(43 NM = 80 km range)

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Helghast:

Lol hahahaha wow this guy is delusional ey, Please google "African Special Forces" and tell us what comes up, Tanzania is only mentioned in that group because of the pictures that were released of them in Congo, what history does Congo Special forces have? What about the Algerians and the Egyptians the person made that list has no knowledge of african special forces, SAPS STF could wipe those guys out, S.A special Forces snipers were wreaking havoc on M23 positions deep behind enemy lines in Congo.... How many Hostage Rescues and Sabotages have the Tanzanian Special forces done?

Seleka rebels wiped your ass big time!!

“This time we can anticipate heavy weapons support both from South African units and from their SADC partners. Therein lies the second point. Tanzania is actually doing a lot of the heavy lifting for the FIB. Its commander, Brigadier General James Aloizi Mwakibolwa has decades of command experience, and is well-suited for this kind of campaign. Beyond this, the Tanzanians are bringing an artillery company, Special Forces and a host of other useful detachments that will be valuable in locating and destroying M23. In total, Tanzania's bringing about 1,300 troops to this fight, actually making them the lead actors in the operation.
http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-08-01-un-goes-on-the-attack-in-the-drc-dragging-south-africa-in-with-it/#.U7ls_tiNZhc”

[img]http://2.bp..com/-B1WDknNlQ7o/U1vfVIrDOrI/AAAAAAABJzM/eSVqEyjPoXQ/s1600/23.jpg[/img]
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Special forces perform during the parade in the celebration of the 50th anniversary of the union between Tanganyika and Zanzibar at the Uhuru Stadium in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, April 26, 2014.http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2014-04/27/c_133293116_9.htm

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F-77 B version of Bofors artillery , Nigeria ordered longer range version with 35 km to 43 km range.

We have total 73 Bofors artilleries of both versions and with different ranges, the latest version we bought is same as Indian F-77B with range 35 km to 43 km

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India declares Bofors F-77B range as max 43 km in the year 2012.

Both Nigeria and India upgraded their Bofors guns to increase range with latest type of artillery muzzle.

In 1999, India used Bofors F-77B in war to defeat Pakistan in Kargil war, after that around year 2005 Nigeria ordered this longer range Bofors.

http://beegeagle./2013/04/06/world-exclusive-oto-melara-palmaria-155mm-self-propelled-artillery-of-the-nigerian-army/

The Bofors gun continues to give India 'an edge' over its adversary on the Line of Control and has helped the country win 'artillery duels', till the time the ceasefire came into effect in 2003, Indian Army officers say.


"With a range of over 35 kms in the high-altitude terrain, the gun helped us win artillery duels with Pakistani Army

The FH77 Bofors guns, he said, were better than the medium artillery guns available with the Pakistani Army.

"Superiority of our guns, which can fire three rounds in 12 seconds, has been proved during the 1999 war and they also know that their guns are of no match to our medium guns. After Kargil, the guns proved their mettle during Operation Parakram in 2001 also, where they would fire 80-90 rounds every day causing immense damage to enemy posts and morale," the officers added.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/bofors-gun-helped-india-win-against-pak/20090708.htm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaK1jFg8JBE


Both Nigeria and India upgraded their Bofors guns to increase range with latest type of artillery muzzle.

conm:

Seleka rebels wiped your ass big time!!

South African soldiers are all physically very weak, one of the weakest men in Africa. Photos proved that here many time. They have equipment, but have low courage and low physical endurance. Reason why they avoided return match with Seleka rebels.

Same reason why United Nations put the whole South African army UNDER command of Tanzanian army in Congo DRC.

Tanzania is boss over South Africa

PHOTO : TANZANIAN ARMY UNDER CHINESE TRAINING...... (SOUTH AFRICAN ARMY IS JUST WEAK CRAP !)

homerac7: @ All

INFORMATION

NNS Aradu has left the dry dock at Wilmot Point. It is currently sitting at the navy dockyard, NNS Quorra. In other words it has completed its refit and is back in service. Although paint work hasn't been done on it as at the last time I saw it at the dockyard because one can see patches of where work were done on its hull. Tried taking pictures but my phone couldn't zoom in enough.

Aradu is being refitted for mid-life upgrade normal for any navy. Please get us a distant photo in navy dockyard even if small.

The missiles and guns on NNS Aradu are far superior in range to every weapon existing on South African Valour frigates. FACT !

South Africans hate Aradu...fear Aradu

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conm:

Seleka rebels wiped your ass big time!!




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[img]http://4.bp..com/-mZqur8NDcH4/TuLXZi6_6sI/AAAAAAAARxM/F3qAX1FLusI/s1600/012.jpg[/img]
Special forces perform during the parade in the celebration of the 50th anniversary of the union between Tanganyika and Zanzibar at the Uhuru Stadium in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, April 26, 2014.http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2014-04/27/c_133293116_9.htm

No SF operator was killed in CAR they had vehicles. I doubt any unit in Africa can fight for 9 hours without giving up and receiving supplies like the combined SA force did in CAR. Look at the casualty numbers in the DRC,both Tanzania and Malawi have lost soldiers while SA only got WIAs. Though that isn't something to proud of.

conm:


The African National Congress in Tanzania

"After taking power in Tanzania, Nyerere became one of the architects for the formation of the Organisation of African Unity (OAU) and remained an ardent supporter of the continent’s liberation struggles. Tanzania provided facilities for liberation movements such as the African National Congress (ANC), Pan Africanist Congress (PAC), the Zimbabwe African People’s Union (ZAPU), the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU), the South West African People’s Organisation (SWAPO), FRELIMO and the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA), and allowed them to operate from its soil. In addition, the Tanzanian government allowed the organisations to use Radio Tanzania to broadcast messages to their respective countries.

In the aftermath of the Sharpeville Massacre, the government banned the ANC and the PAC in South Africa. The ANC then sent Frene Ginwala to Tanzania with instructions to establish an office in Dar-es Salaam, and await further communication. Once in the country, she worked as a journalist while carrying out work for the ANC, which included receiving comrades arriving in Dar-es Saalam. Meanwhile, in 1960 the party instructed Oliver Tambo to clandestinely leave the country and establish offices for the movement in exile. He was also authorised to seek international support for the struggle against apartheid. Tambo skipped the country through Bechuanaland, in a car driven by Ronald Segal. Once in Bechuanaland he contacted Frene Ginwala, who made arrangements for a plane to fly Tambo, Dr Yusuf Dadoo and Segal to Dar-es-Salaam. Upon arrival they were welcomed by Julius Nyerere, and from that time Tanzania became an important point of contact and transit for the ANC in exile." you can go through the link and read more for yourself: http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/umkhonto-wesizwe-mk-exile?page=8

I look at you as a fool because you seem to know nothing about history. Malawi was darling of apartheid while Angola was under Portuguese at that time. Only after it was liberated its when ANC opened camps in Angola while the biggest military base of ANC was still in Tanzania.

You are talking about Zimbabwe fighting with rebel group such as UNITA!! really Do you know how many wars has Tanzania fought??

"What the people of Tanzania have given to us can never be measured in monetary terms. Nor can it be quantified. It was from Tanzania and many other countries that we executed many military campaigns against apartheid South Africa. Most importantly, it was with the moral and material support of the Tanzanian people that we managed to defeat apartheid." these are words of your president Jacob Zuma read: http://www.thepresidency.gov.za/pebble.asp?relid=4512&t=79

Stupid ANC is not = SANDF

AugustineAgain:

South African soldiers are all physically very weak, one of the weakest men in Africa. Photos proved that here many time. They have equipment, but have low courage and low physical endurance. Reason why they avoided return match with Seleka rebels.

Same reason why United Nations put the whole South African army UNDER command of Tanzanian army in Congo DRC.

Tanzania is boss over South Africa

PHOTO : TANZANIAN ARMY UNDER CHINESE TRAINING...... (SOUTH AFRICAN ARMY IS JUST WEAK CRAP !)

Endurance? SA forces fought for more than 13 hours in CAR without giving up. What endurance are you talking about? Tanzania,Malawi and South Africa sent battalions to participate in the MONUSCO FIB,at the the commander of the brigade was Tanzanian and his deputy was Canadian. The was no point of going back to CAR to topple Seleka,it was up to AU to make that call. South Africa had forces(battalion size) around CAR ready to strike if a command to attack came. Chinese training? Is the reason they're taking casualties?

AugustineAgain:

Aradu is being refitted for mid-life upgrade normal for any navy. Please get us a distant photo in navy dockyard even if small.

The missiles and guns on NNS Aradu are far superior in range to every weapon existing on South African Valour frigates. FACT !

South Africans hate Aradu...fear Aradu

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Valour class frigates are superior to Aradu.

AugustineAgain:

South African soldiers are all physically very weak, one of the weakest men in Africa. Photos proved that here many time. They have equipment, but have low courage and low physical endurance. Reason why they avoided return match with Seleka rebels.

Same reason why United Nations put the whole South African army UNDER command of Tanzanian army in Congo DRC.

Tanzania is boss over South Africa

PHOTO : TANZANIAN ARMY UNDER CHINESE TRAINING...... (SOUTH AFRICAN ARMY IS JUST WEAK CRAP !)

SANDF will wipe out Nigerian Armed Forces in 10 minutes.

AugustineAgain: .

India declares Bofors F-77B range as max 43 km in the year 2012.

Both Nigeria and India upgraded their Bofors guns to increase range with latest type of artillery muzzle.

In 1999, India used Bofors F-77B in war to defeat Pakistan in Kargil war, after that around year 2005 Nigeria ordered this longer range Bofors.

http://beegeagle./2013/04/06/world-exclusive-oto-melara-palmaria-155mm-self-propelled-artillery-of-the-nigerian-army/

The Bofors gun continues to give India 'an edge' over its adversary on the Line of Control and has helped the country win 'artillery duels', till the time the ceasefire came into effect in 2003, Indian Army officers say.


"With a range of over 35 kms in the high-altitude terrain, the gun helped us win artillery duels with Pakistani Army

The FH77 Bofors guns, he said, were better than the medium artillery guns available with the Pakistani Army.

"Superiority of our guns, which can fire three rounds in 12 seconds, has been proved during the 1999 war and they also know that their guns are of no match to our medium guns. After Kargil, the guns proved their mettle during Operation Parakram in 2001 also, where they would fire 80-90 rounds every day causing immense damage to enemy posts and morale," the officers added.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/bofors-gun-helped-india-win-against-pak/20090708.htm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaK1jFg8JBE


Both Nigeria and India upgraded their Bofors guns to increase range with latest type of artillery muzzle.

FH-77B05 isn't FH-77B. Don't make me pick out the lies in beegeagle's stories. The version India is talking about is the BAE systems bofors upgraded FH-B05 L52,which India ordered after Denel was blacklisted by the Indian government. Last year after investigations Denel was cleared since nothing was found. Denel was supposed to supply India with artillery(Bhim,T5,T6 etc) and sniper rifles(NTW-20) and other equipment. Cause of that India decided to upgrade the guns it already had,even developing an anti-material rifle similar to the Denel NTW-20. Nigeria never awarded any contract to Sweden's BAE systems bofors to upgrade her guns. SANDF artillery is superior to Nigerian artillery. SANDF infantry weapons are superior to Nigerian infantry weapons....etc

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F-77 B version of Bofors artillery , Nigeria ordered longer range version with 35 km to 43 km range.

We have total 73 Bofors artilleries of both versions and with different ranges, the latest version we bought is same as Indian F-77B with range 35 km to 43 km

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The F-77B is export version of the F-77A. It has a lower rate of fire and its range isn't that different. Your artillery is yet to break the 40km barrier If you're gonna use army guide to prove that,I'll use it to prove SA has the G6-52L with a range of 67km.

How much is spent on training a Nigerian soldier again? How long does it take to train a Nigerian soldier? Someone will come here to talk about endurance. The selection process of the SANDF=Nigerian training.

AugustineAgain:

South African soldiers are all physically very weak, one of the weakest men in Africa. Photos proved that here many time. They have equipment, but have low courage and low physical endurance. Reason why they avoided return match with Seleka rebels.

Same reason why United Nations put the whole South African army UNDER command of Tanzanian army in Congo DRC.

Tanzania is boss over South Africa

PHOTO : TANZANIAN ARMY UNDER CHINESE TRAINING...... (SOUTH AFRICAN ARMY IS JUST WEAK CRAP !)

South Africans are physically weak yet there are no boxers and kick boxers who can stand them in the whole of Africa.

Mike..ZA:
The F-77B is export version of the F-77A. It has a lower rate of fire and its range isn't that different. Your artillery is yet to break the 40km barrier If you're gonna use army guide to prove that,I'll use it to prove SA has the G6-52L with a range of 67km.

Your reply is dry and empty, no source, just your personal envy loaded opinion.

I used more than army guide website, I quoted 1999 war report from Indian website when Bofors F-77B had been firing over 35km range.

I also posted Indian army video above saying Bofors F-77B, NOT Bofors B0 L52 anything, just F-77B or your two eyes both have cataract and your two hears have excess wax blockage? The Indian army officer in the video said F-77B ordinary has range 43 km, not any B0 L52.

Nigeria has 25 F-77A and 48 F-77B and both are NOT the same, the export version has been upgraded as written clearly in the website.

You guys never knew before that Nigeria has 73 Bofors artillery, did you? No, we Nigerians revealed that to you.

My point is proved with beyond reasonable doubt with Indian sources apart from the Army Guide website.

Sources can be used to clarify sources when doubts exist, that is the purpose of human intelligence which all South Africans don not have.

South Africans are the second dullest brains in the world according to world research reports, so I don't expect you to understand simple things.

AugustineAgain:

South African soldiers are all physically very weak, one of the weakest men in Africa. Photos proved that here many time. They have equipment, but have low courage and low physical endurance. Reason why they avoided return match with Seleka rebels.

Same reason why United Nations put the whole South African army UNDER command of Tanzanian army in Congo DRC.

Tanzania is boss over South Africa

PHOTO : TANZANIAN ARMY UNDER CHINESE TRAINING...... (SOUTH AFRICAN ARMY IS JUST WEAK CRAP !)

Are you mad? SA is representing the whole of Africa in boxing and Karate. Even in contact sport like rugby we beat those chinese like hell.

South Africans are more bold and valiant than Nigerians. That is inarguable fact!!!!

FighterPilot:

South Africans are physically weak yet there are no boxers and kick boxers who can stand them in the whole of Africa.

That is a big lie. World champion boxers came from Nigeria.

Dick Tiger, Hogan Bassey, Henry Akinwande, Samuel Peters, Bash Ali etc.

The best Taekwondo fighter in Africa is a Nigerian with 3rd place world wide at an Olympic world class battle.

Chika Chukwumerije will K.ILL five South African boxers in 5 minutes.

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How do South African men manage to 'inject' their wives? I hope you don't use mercenaries from Zimbabwe to do the job

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@Agabugugu, I am still waiting for Otomat MK2. Which platform do you use to launch MK1 and MK2?