asuustrike2009:

Giving alms isn't necessary as Christians. We're admonished to give but not compulsory. Study your Bible very well

you are just shouting study bible without quoting. Giving alms is the most important form of giving in Christianity becuase it touches lives most

betterABIAstate:
Jesus didn't practise it either.

Since he didn't practice it,it doesn't mean we shouldn't because he would have condemned it wholeheartedly

betterABIAstate:
Jesus didn't practise it either.

Did Jesus marry? So because Jesus didn't marry, Marriage is now unscriptural. is it?

betterABIAstate:
you are just shouting study bible without quoting. Giving alms is the most important form of giving in Christianity becuase it touches lives most

Study your Bible. If you had being following me on this forum, you would have seen many scriptures I had quoted.
2 Cor 9:7 says it all.offering isn't compulsory neither is it necessary but we're encouraged to give

Osezua:
You say you are not living the life of Abraham but say sing and claim the blessings of Abraham. Remember the song: Abraham's blessings are mine, I am blessed in the morning, I am blessed in the evening, Abraham's blessings are mine. You want to claim Abraham's blessings but you dont want to do the basic things he did on his way to blessings.

Since we ought to live the life of Abraham, then we could as well start slaughtering animals in order to fulfill all "righteousness"
Listen, our connection to the Abrahamic blessing is based on our redemption by the precious blood of the lamb. Jesus has paid the price.

ajog1:
Since we ought to live the life of Abraham, then we could as well start slaughtering animals in order to fulfill all "righteousness"
Listen, our connection to the Abrahamic blessing is based on our redemption by the precious blood of the lamb. Jesus has paid the price.

Since the law is done away we should also start killing ,stealing and worship idols . What do you think?

petra1:


Since the law is done away we should also start killing ,stealing and worship idols . What do you think?

Jesus never came to destroy the law but that the law might be fulfilled through the new covenant which mentioned the place of the fruit of the spirit and most "importantly the personality and the active engagement of the holy ghost upon the lives of every believer". Which is why we need to compare the scriptures of the old in line with the new covenant established by Christ.
So in specifically answering your question, did Christ encourage stealing and worshiping idols?

ajog1:
Jesus never came to destroy the law but that the law might be fulfilled through the new covenant which mentioned the place of the fruit of the spirit and most "importantly the personality and the active engagement of the holy ghost upon the lives of every believer". Which is why we need to compare the scriptures of the old in line with the new covenant established by Christ.
So in specifically answering your question, did Christ encourage stealing and worshiping idols?

Same way Christ didn't discourage tithimg. But rather endorsed

asuustrike2009:

Study your Bible. If you had being following me on this forum, you would have seen many scriptures I had quoted.
2 Cor 9:7 says it all.offering isn't compulsory neither is it necessary but we're encouraged to give

you don't know the Bible, can you post the verse you quoted here and stop quoting out of context

petra1:


Same way Christ didn't discourage tithimg. But rather endorsed

Christ never endorsed tithing, he classified it as "unimportant thing"

asuustrike2009:

Since he didn't practice it,it doesn't mean we shouldn't because he would have condemned it wholeheartedly

I won't practise or advice anyone to practise tithe if Jesus and the apostles didn't

Gombs:


I'd quote you by January

Alot of your ilk have tried and failed. Pastorkun, goshen360, candour, etc


You're just joining the queue. Some of us have been here too long and have seen it all.

My friend Gombs has snuck out from under his pastors desk to come defend the tithe scam again

Do you have any testimony to regal us with from your tithe exploits?

Though this one that pasitor joeagbaje aka Petra has been on rampage opening tithe thread after tithe thread, something seems fishy. Did the church accountant complain of a drop in income? Did the jerry curled crook issue a query to Joe?

betterABIAstate:
Christ never endorsed tithing, he classified it as "unimportant thing"

That's a lie . Kindly Quote it

petra1:


That's a lie . Kindly Quote it

its not in the Bible that Christ endorsed tithe, I can't find it, maybe you show me where he endorsed it

petra1:


That's a lie . Kindly Quote it

Matthew 23: 23-24
The fullness of the holy ghost, the effective ministry of the holy ghost whom Jesus spoke about when he was about ascending; that oughts to be at work in the life of every believer is so dormant in this age.
The significance of the scripture documenting the dividing asunder of the curtain to the holies of holies has not been taken advantage of by believers. Now these are weightier matters

ajog1:
Matthew 23: 23-24

What does it say . Post it Let us view it .

betterABIAstate:
its not in the Bible that Christ endorsed tithe, I can't find it, maybe you show me where he endorsed it

Luke 11:42
“What sorrow awaits you Pharisees! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

petra1:


Luke 11:42
“What sorrow awaits you Pharisees! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

where is to endorsement here? You tithe and ignore justice, meaning tithe is not important.

Do you need pidgin bible?

Lemme get another version for u, the passage clearly said tithe is not important

betterABIAstate:
where is to endorsement here? You tithe and ignore justice, meaning tithe is not important.

It's clear enough even for a child

Lemme get anoynrt version for u

Know what you probably need is an English teacher for yourself

petra1:


It's clear enough even for a child



Know what you probably need is an English teacher for yourself

lemme test your bible knowledge, you have just been blabbing.

Why do you think Jesus never collected or paid tithe?

Petra1, give reasons why Jesus never collected or pay tithe?

Some of you guys need seriously bible knowledge class, I will start with petra1

petra1:


What does it say . Post it Let us view it .

Yeshua, the prince was not against tithing, neither did he say that tithing must be observed, but the emphasis was there are far far more weightier matters that have been neglected. Which was why he said "Woe unto you Pharisees" in matt 23;23.
This account sadly is what is at play in this age as so much emphasis is on money matters than those issues which is dear to our faith. May God help us.
Let Jesus who is the way, the truth and the life and the finisher of our faith be our standard!

Can anybody direct me to a Levite Priest so I can give him a tenth of my farm produce?


Oh... I just forgot. I'm not a farmer

betterABIAstate:
I won't practise or advice anyone to practise tithe if Jesus and the apostles didn't

The Bible is standard and that's what Yahweh will use to judge man. Every word written has it's place and will stand on the judgement seat. Don't let Lucifer deceive you because Yahweh isn't a respecter of any one. Am telling from experience and based on revelations.The word of God can't lie

betterABIAstate:
you don't know the Bible, can you post the verse you quoted here and stop quoting out of context

You study that verse very well and see for yourself if Offering is necessarily. The Bible is clear on that already. I don't quote out of context same way you did by using grace scriptures to back your claims. We're admonished to give alms and offerings but we're not compelled to do so

Those who argue against tithe should know that heaven has already approved it in as much as the church has agreed to it then it is settled in heaven.
If you don't pay your tithe it shows you are rebelling against the authority of Christ.

asuustrike2009:

You study that verse very well and see for yourself if Offering is necessarily. The Bible is clear on that already. I don't quote out of context same way you did by using grace scriptures to back your claims. We're admonished to give alms and offerings but we're not compelled to do so

why do you think Jesus never paid or collected tithe?

Osezua:
Did Jesus marry? So because Jesus didn't marry, Marriage is now unscriptural. is it?

don't be stupid, Jesus talked about marriage extensively in Mathew 19 vs 1-12. Stop reasoning like a child, this is a serious discussion

SAVIOURJESUS:
Those who argue against tithe should know that heaven has already approved it in as much as the church has agreed to it then it is settled in heaven.
If you don't pay your tithe it shows you are rebelling against the authority of Christ.

heaven hasn't approved it, heaven doesn't aprrovet what wasn't in the book

If you really want to know and understand more about giving of tithe, please make out time to read and understand this. It will go a long way to make things clear to you.
I was about to start writing my thesis on the subject of Tithing when someone sent me a link to Leke Alder’s brilliant article on the same subject. Upon reading his thesis; I concluded that there is no point writing again as he brilliantly captured all the points I had in mind to make. So enjoy reading his deep and sound article on this subject as noted below, along with some comments from me.
First thing I will say is that Tithing is not compulsory for the New Testament believers. The Bible states that the bird in the sky do not sow or reap or gather into barns; yet your father in heaven SUSTAINS (or FEEDS) them. So if all you seek is sustenance; grace in Christ will provide that for you even if you do not Tithe. But to operate in high Kingdom Finance is a whole different matter and you cannot operate at that level without electing to Tithe and give offerings. This will become clear as you read Leke’s brilliant submission.
There are two regimes of tithe in the Bible. The first regime is the ABRAHAMIC REGIME. The second regime is the REGIME OF THE LAW. That’s short-code for the Law of Moses. It’s also known as regime of the Ten Commandments – the body of legislation enacted to regulate the nascent nation of Israel.
It wasn’t Moses who introduced tithe into human history. It was actually Abraham. Before Abraham, there was no mention of tithe in scriptures. (Tithe simply means a tenth). Here’s how we came across tithe in scriptures:
The story goes that Lot, Abraham’s nephew, became collateral damage in the power play between the king of Elam and king of Sodom. Sodom, a vassal of Elam had suddenly declared independence and so Elam went to war against Sodom. Lot was living in Sodom. With his allies, the king of Elam conquered Sodom and took prisoners of war. That was how Lot became a prisoner of war. Well, family is family. Abraham took his private army, along with his allies went after the king of Elam and his three allies, and defeated them. He rescued Lot and his family.
We’re told as he returned from the battle, he was met by a king named Melchizedek who also doubled as a priest of the Most High God. He brought communion. It was Melchizedek who gave us insight into how Abraham defeated the Gang of Four: “Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator and Possessor of heaven and earth; and blessed be God Most High who has given your enemies into your hand.” (Genesis 14:19-20) It was a not so subtle reminder God did the conquest for Abraham, not Abraham’s strength or brilliance. The conquest was a work of grace. Whereupon Abraham gave Melchizedek a tenth of all the treasure from that battle and that was the first tithe in the Bible.
Nobody compelled Abraham to tithe. It was voluntary. For this reason, we shall call Abrahamic tithing elective tithing. He made money and elected to give a tenth of it to a priest of God. The subtext from the invocation of Melchizedek is that Abraham tithed in acknowledgement of the fact that all that he had, all that he owned, all that he had ever accomplished came by the hand of the Possessor of the heaven and the earth. To that extent, Abram (as he was then known) tithed as an act of worship.
The second regime of tithe – tithing under the Law had a completely different hue. It was legislated by God as a political solution to the issue of state creation. You see, there were twelve tribes in Israel. When God was going to divide the Promised Land among the tribes, he excluded the Levites. Joseph’s second son, Ephraim took the lot of the Levites. Joseph had double portion. (Genesis 48:5) The Levites were consecrated as priests to God instead. God declared he was their inheritance. (Numbers 18:20) But then how would the Levites feed and take care of their family? How would they prosper? They could not undertake secular work. Their job was to serve in the temple. Well, God came up with a contributory scheme to take care of the Levites. Everyone would pay tithe to the Levites. (Numbers 18: 20-24) But the Levites too had to pay tithe, which in effect means the tithes were the income for the priests. (Nehemiah 10:38) It was theirs to do as they deemed fit.
But here’s what many don’t realise: there were three types of tithe under the Law of Moses. The first was sacred tithe, the second was vacation tithe and the third was social justice or social security tithe.
The sacred tithe as we discussed went to the Levites. It was their income.
The second tithe under the Law was the tithe of feasts or tithe of pilgrimage; it was some sort of vacation tithe. (Deuteronomy 14:22-27) The Israelites were supposed to make a pilgrimage to a designated place of worship every year. They were to set aside a tenth of their harvest and this was supposed to be eaten before God. Why? It was to inspire reverence for God. (Deuteronomy 14:22-23) If the place of worship was too far to transport the agricultural produce tithe, it was to be converted into money; which would then be spent on whatever their appetite craved, and that included alcohol. (Deuteronomy 14:26) So this was some sort of enjoyment or summer vacation tithe. God essentially mandated summer break. He cared for the welfare of the people. Because this tithe was convertible into money, it’s not exactly true to say all tithe in the Old Testament was agricultural produce.
The third tithe under the Law was social justice tithe. It had a three year cycle – was paid every three years. This tithe went not only to the Levites, but also to immigrants, orphans and widows. (Deuteronomy 14:28) Those who have not taken time to read the ENTIRE legislation on tithing under the Law are quick to point to this as how to pay tithe – that the money should be distributed to the poor and not priests, but that’s only true to the extent that this was the third tithe under the Law. There were three tithes.
The overall scheme of tithing under the Law can be called legislative tithing since it was mandated as law. It was a duty to the State – God. And as we can see, tithing under the Law is cumulatively higher than 10%. It was 30% on occasion. Many don’t realise.
Now comes the challenge. A Christian CANNOT pay tithe under the terms of the Law. That is inviting trouble. We’re not under the Law, we’re under grace. (Romans 6:14) The moment you elect to submit yourself to the dictates of the Law, you commit to obeying ALL 613 commandments. If you fail in one, you’re guilty of ALL. (James 2:10) And so not meeting the requirement of tithing under the Law also meant you were guilty of murder, blasphemy, etc. You’re guilty of ALL.
Paul tells us, “No one can be made right with God by trying to keep the Law.” (Galatians 3:11) In fact, Paul says trying to please God according to the terms of the Law is sheer madness. He told the Galatians who were strenuously trying to fulfil the Law, “Are you going to continue in this craziness?” (Galatians 3:2-4 MSG) All those scriptures we spout for paying tithe under the terms of the Law are therefore void and of no effect. The moment you seek to pay tithe according to Deuteronomy or Malachi, you have to obey ALL the Law of Moses. And no one can be righteous obeying those laws.
To seek to pay tithe according to the terms of the Law is also to attract a curse unto yourself. Galatians 3:10 says, “But those who depend on the Law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.” So the idea of giving your tithe to the poor as dictated under the Law is not exactly wise. You’re setting up yourself for a curse.
We can, therefore, conclude that the idea of paying tithe according to the provisions of the Law is sheer madness, to use the expression of Paul. By that very token, that famous quotation about robbing God through non-payment of tithe cannot apply since it’s a reference to the Law. (Malachi 3:8-12) We’re not under the Law. But Malachi is still instructive since all scripture is profitable for training in righteousness. (2 Timothy 3:16-17) At least you have an idea of how serious God takes some things.