Sun of god:

He's refered to as a Paedophile on wikipedia -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Rufai_Sani

biina:

The issue is a societal problem and not a religious one. The Egyptians are predominantly Muslims but their laws do not support the union.

blackmann:

Elrazur, i can now see u are more of a religion hater than anything else. i rest my case. u really need to learn the main reason for things b4 saying trash. i believe u are one of those pple who hate Islam and don't seek the reason for things in the religion b4 labeling it as a bad religion. i need no say anything further. when sarah gave abraham hagar, her servant, to be his wife cos of the childlessness, why don't u say that is wrong?
and what has my choice of words got to do with what is at hand now? cos i use myopic is now a big deal to u abi?

ElRazur:

Dude are you high? You once had a lengthy debate with me that this never happened. What's up with the change of tune?

biina:

My position has not  changed. IIRC, you claimed the quran preached pedophilia, but the discussion of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha are in the hadith (not the quran). More so the definition of a minor is societal dependent. The act was a reflection of their culture and not of his teachings (which is what you often try to extrapolate to).

ElRazur:

Actually no. Thanks for putting a twist on the tale.

My argument if memory serves me right is that He married and shagged a minor. Something you denied. My arguments was he fought in wars and as such can not be a role model for peace or something along those lines. Something you refuse to acknowledge.

As it stand, you have shown a change in direction as per his marriage and act with a minor. That one na the koko of this point.

18 platoon:

@frosbel, my man i invite you to ISLAM.

biina:



BTW your claim in the prior discussion was that 'Violence was the bedrock of Islam' but you failed to provide any Koranic verse (the universally accepted reference for Islam) to support it. Rather you wanted o extrapolate from the actions of Muhammad, but would not accept similar extrapolation for Christianity based on the actions of peter (i.e. Peter escaped from prison mean that prison break is the bedrock of Christianity ).

ElRazur:

Here we go again.

Every society knows what a child is and what a child is capable of doing. I suppose you are taking away intelligence from the founder of Islam, that he clearly do not know the difference between a fcukable woman and a sexually immature female?

Joke is on you too.

biina:

and so there is a universally accepted age for a minor that has been existent since the beginning of time?
Again you have extrapolated that he had penetrative intimacy with the wife at an early age.

ElRazur:

Give me a break. If I dismissed every evidence presented in a debate, then refuse to debate or comment further when pinned down in a corner.     .    .    .    I guess I will post something similar to what you just posted.  

biina:

If the evidence presented are irrelevant, then they should be dismissed.
If my recollection is inaccurate, please feel free to post the correct version (with the relevant evidence you provided back then).
If memory fails you, here is a link to the thread in question https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-286267.0.html

ElRazur:

Once again you removed intelligence away from the founder of Islam. Clearly, you are saying he do not know the difference between a child and a woman?

Sun of god:

He's even refered to as a Paedophile on wikipedia -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Rufai_Sani

Is life for the ba.stard all about getting married,sleeping with virgins & nothing more??  

When will leaving a lasting legacy come up in his life time?

Whatever happened to making an impact on the lives of fellow impoverished & amputated Zamfarans ?? 

ElRazur:

You mean you dismissed evidence when you lack anything to go up against it?

Nice.

biina:

By the standards of the time, she was qualified for marriage (and had been betrothed earlier to someone else before Muhammad).
The definition of a minor in the US is 18 while in Japan it is 20. So people in the US are craddle-robbers for having intimacy with 19yr olds?
You cannot describe as pedophilia, marrying someone that is deemed of marriage age in the society of interest

18 platoon:

@frosbel, its not funny just think about it and make up your mind.

biina:

Unsurprising that you couldn't reproduce a non-existent evidence (after all you only had to copy and paste from the link provided if there was anything to copy)

ElRazur:

Again, are you saying the founder of Islam do not know the difference between a child and a grown up? Or better still a sexually immature female and a sexually mature woman?  

biina:

seems you have nothing more to say than the above.
I have little time to spend with someone that simply intolerant of another religion.

biina:

By the standards of the time, she was qualified for marriage (and had been betrothed earlier to someone else before Muhammad).
The definition of a minor in the US is 18 while in Japan it is 20. So people in the US are craddle-robbers for having intimacy with 19yr olds?
You cannot describe as pedophilia, marrying someone that is deemed of marriage age in the society of interest

illusion2:

I think we should leave Islam out of this but the post below is the most ridiculous excuse I've heard for banging a 9 year old  

biina:

Its not about whether it is right to marry a 9yr old or not, but that the issue wasnt specific to Muhammad. It was representative of the society he lived in. You cannot classify him a craddle-robber if the society he lived in approved of his actions.

biina:

Its not about whether it is right to marry a 9yr old or not, but that the issue wasnt specific to Muhammad. It was representative of the society he lived in. You cannot classify him a craddle-robber if the society he lived in approved of his actions.