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Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by horia: 8:11pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Dongreat:para 1: The Jesus whose Gospel they came to spread is not Caucasian. btw black and white so for all races. para 2: The book might be plagiarised but u still know the truth; Jesus existed .even science proves that. He didn't even use books in most of his teachings but any intelligent person would understand the points he made. para 3: not even the scientists we appreciate would create an inefficient machine and everyone knows the earth is one of it's kind. God would not ask anyone for money, he wouldn't buy stuffs! he only wants u who have enough to give to one who needs. u should know the origin of tithing? if people get their needs met they would be happy. that did not happen so he asked for IT and even making benefit available. para 4: vanity he said it but we just love it. With sufficient knowledge, one could infer that men twist Gods instructions for their selfish desires and do what's wrong because they do not know that even the smallest things they do have drastic outcomes. and even if they know selfishness would not let them do it. Jesus didn't contradict himself he only used an idiom for a particular situation if We do what's right there wouldn't be any problem. if We. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by BumbleDevil: 8:18pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
mabea: Nairalanders come and see hypocrisy at the highest level. If you no longer need the priest because Jesus has come, then why do you need the Levite's tithe when they have no one to assist in the temple. You people are just trying to defend the indefensible. Abi is it not an irony for me to discard the master (PRIEST and burnt offerings) and still hold on to the servant (LEVITE and tithe) when the justification for the initial formation of the Levite is to assist the priest. My brother if this is the basis of your argument, you have just suceeded in telling us that tithing in Christianity is daylight roberry. 1 Like |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by Elvis2kay: 8:20pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Dear nairalander.. I live in Europe I just dey wonder why wey bi say oyinbo wey no dey pay thight have a better life than average Nigerian who drop 10% of their income to pastor's every month .. abeg anybody to answer my question?? |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by donpharaoh1: 8:20pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
[color=#006600][/color] Odianose13: It’s very bad not to see when you have an eyes flash like Hallogine Bulb but worst when you got no brain to liberate yourself within yet you could smell it with your pig nose smh... you dey jubah pastor |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by felixomor: 8:21pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
linearity: You dont know what relative means If u knew, you will know that percentage is relative and not fixed. Here is how another version puts it 1 Cor 16 :1 Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. (NIV) --------+-++++++++ Can u read the above properly and digest it very well.? What u are only trying to excuse is stinginess. because i dont think it will be befitting to claim anything less than ten naira out of hundred naira for God and claim that "according to your income" As a matter of fact, they even did it weekly. That version of the scripture should be. Clear enough for u. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by Tonimordred(m): 8:31pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Dey don use 1m block hin mouth na y hin dey yarn nonsense |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by DeRuggedProf: 8:32pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Ajpharm: I have decided to keep ALL my tithe, when I reach heaven and it is confirmed, I will pay there. Hope to go with my ATM CARD. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by BumbleDevil: 8:34pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
removetheturban: I don't want to go out all ballistic on them ni oooo. I just want to be dolling it out to them in batches. Yes, they will always quote Malachi. but I asked if Malachi is referring to Christians or the Jews that refused to pay tithe. Bring your tithe that they may be food[b][/b] in my house. Before nko, shey na field Levites dey live ni. The Trials of Brother Jero written by Wole Soyinka has said it all. Pastors, Prophets, Priests, and Evangelist all keep their worshippers dissatisfied so that they will keep coming. The day a church leader tells his members that their problem is over is the day they will stop coming to church. Meaning say na the Pastor go loose. So he has to keep them dissatisfied mentally and spiritually so that they will keep coming. Make I rest small 1 Like |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by Ucheamani(m): 8:41pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
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Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by borntoexcel2000(m): 8:43pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Connecting • Deuteronomy 14:22-29 I. INTRODUCTION A. Confusing 1. As we read these verses, we’re confronted with a bit of a dilemma. 2. You see, Moses spoke of the tithe at several points in the law & directed it to different ends. 3. The word tithe means tenth, and referred to the 10% they were to give to the Lord. 4. So here’s the dilemma; if God instructed them to give 1/10th of their income, but we read it was to be given to different things, how are we to understand the tithe? a. was there more than one tithe, b. were they supposed to divide up that 10% and give it to different things? c. or is there some other way we’re to understand their giving? 5. Let’s take a closer look at this. And as we do I think we’ll discover something really important about our giving to God. II. TEXT A. V. 22 22“You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. 1. Notice the word “truly” – “You shall truly tithe.” 2. One of the discussions you’ll often hear believers engaged in is what we should tithe on. a. people want to know, should we tithe on the net or the gross? b. or do we tithe on what’s left after all the bills have been paid? c. it that were the case, many wouldn’t give because they couldn’t. d. instead of having money left over at the end of the month, they’ve got month left over at the end of the money. 3. Moses told Israel the tithe was to be truly measured – that is, according to God’s instruction. 4. And that instruction is found right here; “You shall truly tithe all the increase.” a. the increase refers to the gain after the initial investment. b. for those growing crops, it would mean that when the harvest was reaped, the first thing one did was to subtract the amount of seed originally planted. c. the balance was the increase. That is what they were to give a tenth of. 5. In modern business terms we’d say the tithe would be of the profits. 6. For the average wage earning employee, the tithe would be of the gross income. 7. But now, notice what Moses says they were to do with this tithe . . . B. V. 23 23And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always. 1. Here’s what they did with their tithe – the person would gather up his entire family & bring his tithe to the temple where he would offer it to one of the priests. 2. The priest took it, offered a portion of it on the altar as a burnt offering to the Lord, 3. But then gave a liberal portion back to the family so they could enjoy a festive meal, 4. The rest of the tithe was distributed to the priests. a. this was how they were supported. b. in Numbers 18 we read – 21“Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tithes in Israel as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting. c. the priests were the only tribe of Israel which weren’t given land. d. they were charged with serving the Lord and the people in religious duties. e. because they couldn’t grow crops or tend flocks, they were dependent on the tithes of the people to support them. f. they kept a small portion of the tithes for their own food, but the rest was sold to the market. 5. Vs. 23 speaks of the portion of the tithe given back to the family. This was theirs to enjoy in a festive meal next to the temple. a. even as the smoke of the portion of their tithe was ascending from the altar, they would be eating nearby. b. the idea was that they were sharing a meal with God. c. since sitting at the same table & sharing a common meal was one of the most personal & intimate acts for that culture, d. the idea they could share a meal with God was astounding & a sign of the incredible privilege God had called them into as His people. 6. The tithe was the produce of their fields & flocks. So you can imagine how big it was in terms of sheer physical size. a. it would be baskets full of grain & fruit; several sheep or cows. b. those living near the temple would be able to load their tithe onto a wagon and bring it as it was. But those who lived at a distance faced a problem. c. those tribes whose territories were miles from the temple couldn’t transport their tithe that far, so God made provision for them . . . C. Vs. 24-26 24But if the journey is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, or if the place where the LORD your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, when the LORD your God has blessed you, 25then you shall exchange it for money, take the money in your hand, and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. 26And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall REJOICE, you and your household. 1. Those who lived at a distance from the temple were allowed to sell their tithe at their local marketplace, converting it to cash, a. then they traveled to the temple where they would buy whatever they wanted for their feast at the temple. b. the excess money, of which there would be a substantial amount, was just turned over to the priests. c. but some of the meat, grain, & beverage they bought would be given to the priests to be offered on the altar. d. again, the idea was to celebrate a meal shared with God. 2. Twice Moses told them to purchase whatever they wanted to make the meal a thing of joy. 3. Let’s not miss what this says about the tithe; it was to be given to God to 2 ends - a. support for the priests b. to enjoy a time of intimate communion & fellowship with God. 4. As the end of v. 26 makes clear, the tithe was to be a thing of joy. 5. Their giving to the Lord was to be seen, not as something they let go of with reluctance, but as a mutual sharing between themselves & their God. 6. When it came time for the people of Israel to bring their tithe, it wasn’t something they did regretfully. a. this festive meal was a time of great celebration, a special time they all looked forward to. b. they couldn’t wait till the harvest was in so they could cull that 10% - d. and go to the temple to celebrate God’s faithfulness & their unique relationship with Him. 7. Paul picks up on this idea in his instructions on giving in 2 Cor. 9:7, when he says that “God loves a cheerful giver.” a. this “cheer” isn’t a phony smile the Christian puts on when the offering plate passes round. b. it’s a joy that’s rooted in an understanding of what it means to give to God. c. many years ago I visited a church in OC that did something rather strange. 1) after worship was over they ran through some announcements. Then the pastor said it was time to take the offering. 2) the people jumped to their feet & began shouting & cheering hysterically. It frightened me! 3) as I sat there trying to figure out what was happening & if I could slip out without being noticed, 4) it hit me that what they were doing was trying to give expression to what Paul writes in 2 Cor. 9 about being a cheerful giver. 5) but what they were doing was forced & artificial. 6) I found out later this was something they did every time they took the offering. 8. Listen to what Paul says about our giving to God in 2 Cor. 9 – 6 . . . this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work. 9As it is written: “He has dispersed abroad, He has given to the poor; His righteousness endures forever.” 10Now may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, supply and multiply the seed you have sown and increase the fruits of your righteousness, 11while you are enriched in everything for all liberality, which causes thanksgiving through us to God. 9. We can really only understand what Paul is saying here against the backdrop of the OT tithe. a. we can only grasp where the joy in giving comes from if we perceive what our giving accomplishes in the spiritual realm. b. cheerfulness in giving is not some arbitrary attitude we adopt as we place our offering in the basket. c. it’s rooted in a fundamental reality about our relationship with God. 10. You see, when the people of Israel brought their tithe to the Lord, it was as a way to commemorate their covenant with God. 11. Just as they were to subtract the seed of their initial planting from their harvest, then replant that seed for the next harvest, 12. So they were to cull 10% of their increase & plant that in the things of God. 13. Just as the physical seed would bring forth a new harvest, what they invested in the Kingdom of God would bring it’s own return many times over. 14. When the farmer sows the seed in the ground, he doesn’t regret letting it go. a. far from regret, he looks with eager anticipation to what that seed will do. b. planting was a time of joyous faith, with a confident expectation that the harvest would multiply the seed many times over. 15. God wanted them to see the tithe in precisely the same way. a. but instead of planting seed in the ground, they were planting it in spiritual things; b. in support of the priests, who served in the things of God to ensure the spiritual life of the nation remained healthy. c. God had promised that if the nation obeyed Him, He would make sure they prospered & thrived in the land. d. the whole point of the festive meal was to celebrate their relationship with & hope in God. e. just as the farmer sows the seed with joy, the tithe was to be sown with rejoicing. 16. Paul says the very same thing in 2 Cor. 9. 17. Our giving to the Lord ought to be marked by a cheerfulness that is the natural result of realizing that when we give, we’re investing in the Kingdom of God – which is an enterprise that yields awesome results! 18. What would you say if I told you we’d found an investment company that had an investment vehicle that yielded, not the current rate of 3%, but 300%, 600%, & 1000%? 19. Oh, and the return was guaranteed & backed by the Government? 20. We’d all line up with checkbooks in hand. 21. Well, that’s what God tells His people. a. our giving to the Lord is investing in the Kingdom of God. b. and the return He gives is 30, 60, 100-fold == not % --fold! 22. Our giving ought to be marked by rejoicing because it’s destined to gain a return. 23. Now, the form of that return is determined by God. What’s comforting to know is that He knows what we need & has pledged Himself to meet those needs in abundance. 24. Then Moses adds more instructions to the tithe . . . D. Vs. 27-29 27 You shall not forsake the Levite who is within your gates, for he has no part nor inheritance with you. 28 “At the end of every third year you shall bring out the tithe of your produce of that year and store it up within your gates. 29 And the Levite, because he has no portion nor inheritance with you, and the stranger and the fatherless and the widow who are within your gates, may come and eat and be satisfied, that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do. 1. While the tithe mentioned in vs. 22-26 was to be given to the priests who served at the temple, not all priests lived at or served in the temple. 2. Many more of them, known as Levites because they were from the tribe of Levi, were scattered throughout the nation, living in various cities where they functioned as teachers & judges. 3. Every 3rd year, instead of taking their tithe to the temple, the people were to give it to the Levites near them, as well as anyone who was poor & had no fields or flocks of their own to draw from. 4. Now, this is an excellent way to go about the whole system of welfare. a. God called them to set aside 10% of their increase as His due. b. but then He told them to give it directly to those around them they knew were in real need. c. under this system, it was only those who had a legitimate need who were benefited. d. the indolent & lazy weren’t going to get anything because the people around them knew the cause of their poverty – their own refusal to work! e. those Levites who’d been most faithful in serving the Lord & people would be well compensated because the tithers would seek them out. 5. Both the Levites & poor who benefited from this 3rd year local tithe would see what they were receiving as from the Lord because it was His Word the tithers were obeying. III. CONCLUSION A. Connection 1. As I was meditating on this passage this week, I saw something that was a real blessing to me and I want to share it with your as we close. 2. Think about what the tithe accomplished: FIRST: It connected them to the priests. a. it provided support for the priests so that the most important thing about Israel could stay healthy – their relationship with God! b. by giving to the priests at the temple, the giver felt a greater sense of connection to the priests and their service in the temple. SECOND: It connected them to God. a. that meal the giver & his family enjoyed was a time of great celebration so that the worship of God didn’t become a dry, dull, boring ritual. b. God wanted them to take joy in their relationship with Him; c. He wanted them to feel connected to Him & nothing did that better than a shared meal. THIRD: It connected them to their community. a. the 3rd year tithe for the locals who were in need created a greater sense of connection to those among who they lived. 3. The bottom line in all these things was the connection made between the giver & the one given to; a. connection to the priest & temple. b. connection to God. c. connection to neighbors. 4. I suspect that when most of us give to the Lord, connection is not what’s on our mind. 5. You’ve heard that money talks ? For many, mostly what it says is “Goodbye” 6. And many of us see our giving that way, as letting go & saying goodbye to our money. 7. This needs to change. We must begin to see our giving as investing in the Kingdom of God, planting spiritual seed that God will return in abundance. 8. Our giving ought to connect us to that ministry we’re giving to, moving us to make sure they’re using our gifts in a way that honors God & expands His Kingdom. 9. Our giving ought to benefit the truly needy among whom we live & work. 10. And our giving ought to be a thing of great joy because it connects us to God. B. When You Give 1. We collect the offering during worship because we want those who give to see what they are doing as an act of worship & connection with God. 2. When that offering bag comes round, don’t just drop your offering in and say “Goodbye.” 3. See it the same way the ancient Israelite saw his tithe – as an offering made to the Lord that connected Him to the Lord – a joyous celebration of God’s faithfulness, that looks both backward to past blessing, & forward to what’s to come through the planting of new seed. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by saltoasis: 8:45pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
mrvitalis:Let him stick with his opinion about the bible and stop all these media stunts. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by Pain(m): 8:46pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
TheAngry1: Con Men Also Do Not Point Guns @ your Head. Those it make them right? |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by semyman: 8:48pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
mikky4764:Slave your life for the Yahoo boyz in suit for all I care |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by mabea: 8:49pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
BumbleDevil:You just picked a part of my comment and start running with it out of context. I was making reference to the impression that new testament began during the time of Jesus. Before now the priest enters the holy of holies with blood of animal for atonnement for sin but after the death of Christ everyone can now seek forgiveness of sin directly. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by immaq8(f): 8:50pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Imagine a Christiandom where there won't be tithes & offering, what would be d hope of d pastors? No wonder any 'shadow' want to be a pastor. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by tunetokheyno(m): 8:51pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
jnrbayano: I admired the way you expressed yourself on this issue, very insightful and mature, as a general rule I mostly give to the needy. It's too hard on the streets nowadays for everyone talk less of the poorest. My stand on this matter is simple. Tithe works. If you want to pay it, please do, but if you pay tithe and a leper is on the market road begging and you shun such a person, please stop paying tithe. You're better off doing contribution with your office people. Peace! |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by Yyeske(m): 8:52pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Devman:There was no place in that passage that said the widow was tithing |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by Peterosky(m): 8:52pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
I really don't like commenting on the issue of tithe, but Zack Orji would have done well to stay away from this matter since he doesn't have scriptural backings against Daddy freez. I have read a lot of freez's argument on tithe against many men of God and I consider position sound and just since there always came with biblical facts. But who am I to decide what the Bible says? except that in my own opinion, Daddy freez is yet to be faulted on this matter. God please come to our rescue on this matter in Jesus name,Amen. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by ushafe(m): 9:00pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Pls , someone should read Mathew 23:23 With all sincerity of heart |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by Yyeske(m): 9:01pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
felixomor:You missed it bro. 1) Collection for the Lord's people and not for any apostle or Daddy G O or pastor. 2) What was the percentage of the income to be given because nothing was stated. Let me help you more, read this and all the passages quoted to know how and when that instruction was given by apostle Paul and who it was intended for. http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheTitheisIllegal.html 1 Like |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by felixomor: 9:05pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Yyeske:Please go and read the Bible completely That money went to Paul the Apostle. Keep the sentiment aside bro |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by Yyeske(m): 9:15pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
borntoexcel2000:Go back and read up Deut. 14 vs 22-29 and give the exact meaning instead of adding yours to it. That passage was explicit so stop twisting it. Tell me, are Christians today supposed to tithe when the Jews the law was meant for don't do so today and you can tell me why the Jews of today don't if you have any idea |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by Paulosky1900: 9:17pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
jnrbayano: you just nailed it bro.....some thief pastors are now feeling it cos about 30% aint paying to them again rather they are now giving to orphanage or motherless babies home. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by iyeade123: 9:17pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
wildernessVoice: NONESENSE TALK. GO AND KILL HIM. IDIOT!!! |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by Yyeske(m): 9:20pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
felixomor:And who was it meant for that he gave several churches the instruction? Go through that link and go through those passages cited to know who it was meant for, it wasn't even stated as a tithe |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by Homguy(m): 9:30pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
mikky4764:speak for yourself! Are I plural?! |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by greatermax77(m): 9:32pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
[quote author=mikky4764 post=63489974]dear Daddy Freeze, open attack will not change anything, we believe in tithe and we will pay our tithes.[/quote0 Many are on that path that leads to destruction |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by rayobaba(m): 9:34pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
openmine:laugh wan kill me |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by rosita33(f): 9:38pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
Odianose13:you and the freeze, who you sure say dey suffer? |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by rayobaba(m): 9:41pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
asuustrike2009:they shd quote first |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by rosita33(f): 9:42pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
felixomor:please explain what you quoted cos I don't understand any. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Zack Orji - Pity Will Not Solve Tithing, Give Us Quotations by rayobaba(m): 9:42pm On Dec 21, 2017 |
asuustrike2009:we have not made up our mind. they shd quote first |
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