tintingz:
can there be sense or conciousness without the brain?

Why are you being dishonest to yourself?

And your analogy is kind of flawed, since our sense relies/depend on our brain, you mean Allah is dependent in this universe, he is limited to this world that anything we destroy, destroys part of Allah?

Empiree:
Don't worry buddy, you have answered yourself. But in case you don't know, let me point it out. can there be tintingz without his Creator(God)?

same question back to you

you don't need to switch with around. Your body organs can not function without these senses. Hence, you can not function without God. If someone is paralyzed it means his senses are gone and the body can not function. In another word, if there is no creator, you can not function. Simple isn't?

tintingz:
I'm agnostic about the beginning of the universe.

The question that need to be answered before this your question is, what is this creator, who is this creator and where does this creator came from?

If I must have a creator, shouldn't this creator also have a higher creator?

Empiree:
Your daddy is your creator while his Creator is the Highest Creator, God. The uncreated Creator.

martinlooter:
Hello Nairalanders,

I am a manager of a big Hotel that just opened new in a high brow area. So, I decided to place copies of the bible and Koran for my guests to enhance their comfort and easy access to their religious affairs whenever they want to.
however, some days back, I had some Muslim guests take up lodgings in my hotel, hence some two days after they checked out, I got a surprise invasion of about 50 Muslim youths chanting some Hausa words that I didn't understand, when I was called out, I sought to find out the reason for their chants, they said I was desecrating the Holy Quaran and their religion by placing the Korans in my hotel rooms where all kinds of abominable things happen. that they would not tolerate that, either I retrieve the korans and hand it over to them or they will set fire to my hotel.
I called my director, who called in the police, after a protracted deliberations, I was told to retrieve the Korans but i didn't hand them over to the youths. at which point the policemen dispersed the protesting youths, after convincing them that I have removed the korans from all the rooms, leaving only the bibles.
I am now wondering, what is so different between the Koran and the Bible that it is not desecrated, instead it tends to prick peoples conscience when they want to commit any evil acts and see the bible, they have a change of heart.
why did they have to threaten to commit arson just because of a harmless and profitable decision that I took.
I need to understand this, guys, I want to read from you, did I do anything wrong by my actions?
should I also remove the bibles as I have done to the Koran?
clerics and religious experts, let me know your opinion on this.
thanks


please send to frontpage, let other people send in their opinions

tintingz:
Allah is everywhere
Quran can't be everywhere
Muslim logic.

Rashduct4luv:


This would have happened in the north. And the youth acted based on the love they had for the Qu'ran and Islam. However, we can't totally blame them as hotels in Nigeria are usually known for major sins particularly Zina (adultery and Fornication), alcohol, free mixing,etc which Islam forbids.
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Since the Hotel is a general hotel and not specifically for Muslims, the best way of doing this is to provide the Qur'an on request. They can be given that option on the counter.
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And Allah knows best.

Rashduct4luv:


A Muslimophobe spoted. They never see anything right with Muslims! How does this answer the OP?

Anyways, keep it up! Your enmity to Islam and Muslims will only bring you shame!

Empiree:
See, you can't the your sense nor can you pinpoint where it is. That's the point. This case is closed.

Why would you deliberately go into the public bathroom just to read any book for that matter?. No one beheads you for reading in the bathroom. Stop exaggerating. Next person to use the bathroom alone could beat you up for holding them up to begin with.

Rashduct4luv:


Correction:

Allah is everywhere by His Knowledge and not physically! I guess this is beyond logic so you need evidence to believe in it.

How can Qur'an be everywhere? Toilets, bath,....filthy places.

Akiintom:


Check out how logical you're first. So, those Muslims that live in filthy environment(like slums), shouldn't own Quran bah ?

If Allah is everywhere by his knowledge, then Allah is dead. Since it can't intervene in all the horrific and ridiculous things done, based on knowledge of Allah.

Dindondin:
Insecure Muslim spotted. Always crying before chopping cane.
Urahara was right. There are lots of bigots in Islam that reacts negatively at the slightest thing. Why protest for the removal of Quran from the hotel. The funny thing is a reader may v a change of heart through reading the part that forbade immoral acts in case he/she was in that hotel for immorality.

More so, hotel isn't me by for immorality alone. Meetings, events, relaxations, vacations are done there.
You, the illiterate Rashduct4luv can't see this points cos religion don craze your head.

Rashduct4luv:

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One thing i know for certain is that you are an Islamophobe. You are just here to criticise. You can change people with abuse and bad attitude. is this how you are trained and brought up? What kind of religion do you practice that made you like this? Calling me an illiterate! Well, i don't need to abuse you.

Dindondin:
Muslims like you are the Islamophobes. With your hate doctrines, conflicting Islamic theorems & illogical messages. You said I called you illiterate, well. That's the definition of yourself.

Rashduct4luv:

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How am i an Islamophobe?
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Where is the hate doctrine?
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Where are the conflicting Islamic theorems and illogical messages?
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How am i to be called an illiterate?
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If you can't answer then you are simply a liar and i won't answer you anymore.

Dindondin:


These threads below are hate inciting threads:

https://www.nairaland.com/4247414/how-should-muslim-respond-disbelievers#63710648


https://www.nairaland.com/4247414/how-should-muslim-respond-disbelievers#63710648

Rashduct4luv:


Are they living in toilets? or on the dumpsites? I don't think so. Any Muslim can own a Qur'an wherever s/he lives. We are bound to treat it with utmost care!
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This your logic is false. Allah knew all that happened and He has written everything in the Books of decree thousands of years before events takes place. What can a human brain like ours comprehend? How many percent of your brain can you use in your lifetime? Abeg! Leave things you can't understand!

Akiintom:

... Kikikikikikiki...... Did your Allah wrote about ICT in your Quran? Since it wrote EVERYTHING..... Lol

Rashduct4luv:


Sorry for the disappointment bro. The Kuffars and Munafiqs of Mecca accused the Prophet (salallahu alayhi wa salam) in more worse ways. So keep it up.
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Lakum deenukum waliyad-deen!

Dindondin:

I confronted you with facts & you are speechless! claiming Muhammad was accused of some things. Wetin concern my generation with Muhammad's own? Wetin concerns me with the Kuffars & Monafiqs of Mecca? If your prophet posted those rubbish threads, you think his sanity won't be questioned?

What's the meaning of this (Lakum deenukum waliyad-deen)?
Even if it's prayer, you should type with English.

Back to the discussion, it's insecurity that's worrying Muslims that screams Islamophobes! I v Muslims as relation's, friend's, work place etc. I v never seen or heard anyone of them rejecting greetings, food or good gestures from non Muslims.
They respect peoples belief & religion. No child abduction or forced marriage like Ese Oruru's case, no baseless controversies like that Firdaus Hijab issue with NBA. They know Allah has reasons for creating the world with diverse people. Hence they don't force laws or opinion on people but belief in praying for the person for a change of heart. That's how normal humans do. I know if someone like me is in a compulsory Islamic country, I can't live there. Cos there is no free will. In fact am not safe.

Some Muslims are just insecure. You guys want everyone to be a Muslim but it can't happen cos some Muslims sucks! Eg: Extremists in Ilorin & the North of Nigeria.

Rashduct4luv:

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In order to criticise and bring Islam down see how you brought yourself down laughing like a toddler even without anything funny!

Rashduct4luv:

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I am speechless! How? Can you see me? You are really incredible! I am a Muslim striving more and more to be closer to what i believe in. Nothing concern you with anyone so why can't you just mind your biz? Why can't you just relate with your relatives Muslims and your other mentioned family and friends and leave us out. Must we bend before we relate? If what i believe in contradicts what you believe in, can't we just respect each other and still relate?
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Lakum deenukum waliyad-deen means "To you is your religion and to me is mine" Mind yours make i mind mine.
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If you have never seen some Muslims rejecting food or greetings that does not mean the rules doesn't exist in Islam. They may be ignorant of those rules or they may decide not to follow it (yet).
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Who is insecure? You are simply hilarious! I am from southwest and spent decades between Lagos & Ogun states and with over several Millions of Muslims there has there been a religious crises? When Muslims demand for their rights then it is extremism! If the Nigerian Law says freedom of religion so what is your problem? If Muslims' books says Hijab is part of a lady's dressing, who are you to force your dressing on us? I really don't know who is insecure among us!
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Lakum deenukum waliyad-deen means "To you is your religion and to me is mine" Mind yours make i mind mine.
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Let us put on our Hijab and you too put on your church/atheist/Babalawo wears!

Dindondin:
Naive entity. Preach to non Muslims who are helpless with sharia law.
Bloody loser

Akiintom:

Nothing is more ridiculous like knowing, that a pedophile called Mohammad, actually claim a scarecrow called Allah, spoke to him.

Rashduct4luv:

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And which religion offers something better if not Islam?

Rashduct4luv:
. . Lakum deenukum Lakum deenukum

tintingz:
What does Islam offer that other religions don't offer?

Rashduct4luv:

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I don't think you need to respond when i am talking about religions! You are religion-less!