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Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 6:37pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:I've been around a long while. I know they are just boards one throws darts at. There are many silent observers who gain from these conversations. It keeps one fuelled. I do need to learn how you ignore that troll though |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 6:38pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum: I am sticking with the discussion and this was your comment below budaatum: Your comment means that one does not need to OBSERVE, WITNESS, HEAR, FEEL, TOUCH, TASTE ANYTHING TO PROVE IT EXISTS. so using this position of yours and the atheists argument that God does not exist because there is no OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE that he does (which by the way goes against your comment above) I had to ask you then if God exists. If you were honest to yourself based on your line of argument and the above comment you directly made, your answer would have been a resounding YES without any hesitation. But here you are grasping at straws for a way out. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by hopefulLandlord: 6:39pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx: General acceptance of a phenomenon does NOT make it objective If the whole world says the earth is cone shape, it does not make it the objective shape of the earth, it seems I'll need Kingebukasblog here to explain further to you cuz I observe the other theists here are simply lapping up your posts without even thinking it through Why not even google the meaning of objective and see how wrong you are? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 6:39pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Dude, I have a life outside you. Today is BAOSA UK Meeting. I'm there rest of today. Learn to be patient. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 6:39pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum: How can God not exist when you already said something can exist without us experiencing it? So I ask again is this not your statement? Based on your declaration can God exist without you experiencing him? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 6:42pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:ok let me hold on a little.....what is objective evidence? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 6:43pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx:Where did you get this from? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 6:43pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx:Thanks. We can clearly see from a scientific view point, why Atheism was born to fail. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 6:47pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum:http://www.iep.utm.edu/objectiv/ make sure you read |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 6:47pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
ScienceWatch: 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 6:49pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx:I was in a bar one day reading Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics. This beautiful young girl comes up to me and asks me how I know the table in front of us was there. So, I took her by the arm, held her hand turned upwards, and brought it down hard towards the table but she quickly pulled her hand away. So I asked, is the table there? She, grunted. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 6:50pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum:Is BAOSA UK still so damn good at soccer? Enjoy the fundraising. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 6:52pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum:i love that analogy good what is a table? |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 6:54pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum:Very good Sir. Now your next step is to take that table to a science lab. They will tell you that it is not as solid as it seems. It is entirely made up of swirling untouchable atoms, molecules etc. Suddenly the table is not so objective after all. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 6:55pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Please, anytime you read my responses to ScienceWatch you will be best minded to assume I am being sarcastic. I denoted this with the "Smh" at the end of that comment. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 6:56pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum: This analogy goes starkly against your very comments and arguments here. Your argument has been that ONE DOES NOT NEED TO SEE OR HEAR A TREE FALL BEFORE THEY SAY THE TREE FELL IN THE FOREST. NOT SEEING OR HEARING THE SAID TREE FALL DOES NOT MEAN IT NEVER FELL. the above has been your position all along and now you are saying the above? ARE YOU CONFUSED? you do realise that sensory perception is required to validate or invalidate anything and you declared that this wasn't required to validate a tree that fell in the forest outside your view or ears yet you declare here that objective evidence of the existence of the table to this girl was her feeling the pain of hitting it with her hand (which is also a sensory perception) Stop jumping all over the place bro. So I asked again based on your comments earlier (which have been your position all day) Can God exist even when you do not SEE, FEEL, TOUCH, HEAR him? 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 6:57pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx:Excellent question. BudaAtum will take now take the so-called solid table to a science lab that has an Electron Microscope. What will he find out about the table? 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 6:57pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
ScienceWatch: You read my mind. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 7:00pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum:LOL ! I am not gay, I have no romantic feelings for you Sir. Why send me a Smh? 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 7:01pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
ScienceWatch:wait , let him define table. he will overlap himself. he will realized what it term as table may not be table to you or me....logically, we will all have subjective definition this is why socrate was very wrong when he said we should seek for absolute truth .....there is no absolute truth anywhere....only GOD IS THE TRUTH...... 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 7:06pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Oh their God! How do you let them mix analogies like this? Or are they just trying to ensure they do not use the brain you gave them? Please, Lord their God, they do you dishonour if they cannot at least be honest to you. I beg you, help them! butterflyl1on:You should have had this argument at the beginning. We have got so far now and accepted a hypothetical tree fell in a hypothetical forest. By the way, the tree in the forest is chosen because everyone knows trees fall in forests without anyone observing the fall. Gods might exist without anyone seeing, feeling, touching, etc, said gods, but so too can unicorns, teapots in space, aliens, spaghetti monsters etc. The fact however is that though they can exist, they categorically do not exist! |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 7:08pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum: No you were not being sarcastic . Let me post your numerous comments that show you were not being sarcastic and which show I am right and you are simply clutching at straws. All comments from budaatum on this thread 1. Good. You kept track. I am saying the objective stands in its own right and has nothing to do with the eye of the beholder. 2. It is a fact that the universe exists. Vaxx's statement would imply the universe does not exist until an observer exists to say it exists. This is clearly not true. The universe existed long before observers understood 3. Objective does exist in its own right. Since those were your very quotes why are you now seeking evidential sensory perception to believe a table exists or a tree fell? So I asked again, Can God exist even when you cannot experience him using your sensory perception? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 7:08pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
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Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 7:09pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=table&hl=en-GB&dcr=0&prmd=ivnsp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia8OelkefYAhXBKMAKHTRDDxwQ_AUIBigB |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 7:11pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Your are a good interrogator, get his truth out of him. You should have joined the SS. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 7:13pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum:What a terrible way to answer a direct question from Vaxx. He asked you a simple but leading question. Please answer. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by vaxx: 7:15pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum:you see yourself....this is what i accept to be table not yours https://www.google.com.gh/search?q=arab+design+table&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ejXJQB17vhERHM%253A%252CC9OZHeioTfI2lM%252C_&usg=__OVnXkWPa95jE3MGW55IP7JansIM%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN6YH-kefYAhWB_qQKHYOoCYgQ9QEIKTAB#imgrc=ejXJQB17vhERHM: am sure butterfly1ion and sciencewatch will their own table definition 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by budaatum: 7:17pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:I have answered you. You can go into a forest and see a tree has fallen if you cared to. I have shown you proof for the table. No evidence was presented for pig feed fraud, so we best not believe it to be true. Regardless of what you or I subjectively think, they are as they are somewhere. Your god argument is the inverse. You subjectively create one and claim it objectively exists. Imagine if we took that attitude to pig feed fraud? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 7:18pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
budaatum: You are imploding bro. We are talking about God and not unicorns or teapots in space or aliens or spaghetti monsters (stay on track) First you say Gods CAN EXIST WITHOUT ANYONE SEEING, FEELING HIM, ETC then from saying THEY CAN EXIST you jumped eons forward and declared THE FACT IS THAT THOUGH THEY CAN EXIST THEY CATEGORICALLY DO NOT EXIST you are sweating up a storm right now I can tell If one does not need to have a sensory perception of something before that thing would exist why they is God an exception? Is he not also seen as an object in our objective world? (according to you)? How can God not categorically exist when you said and I quote the objective stands in its own right and has nothing to do with the eye of the beholder. Can God not stand in His own right and have nothing to do with the eye of the beholder? 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScienceWatch: 7:22pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:It is very instructive how one fallen tree can reveal serious flaws in the Atheist mind. It is not that they dont have access to knowledge, but rather their corrupt way of processing knowledge that is meant to open the door to higher truths. Atheists have a serious mental block, which is in reality a spiritual block. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by ScepticalPyrrho: 7:28pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
I want to offer a quick solution to this prolonged arguments... The next person to comment should prove that God exists with verifiable evidence(s). Pls, note that your response will be good for the whole of humanity, not just nairalanders It is as simple as that. |
Re: Atheism Is A Religion by butterflyl1on: 7:32pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
vaxx: The attached images are my perception of what my table is. 1 Like 1 Share
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