wirinet:

Although science had never claimed that it would ever have all the answers to the universe, they have been able to decode the DNA and explain its complexity. The DNA can even be manipulated to produce certain traits in organisms. You now have genetically modified food.

Knowledge about DNA is incomplete for the following reasons:
The research approach ("reductionism" for investigating DNA and its interactions with the cell has yielded a fragmented picture, lacking appropriate means of arriving at an understanding how the parts interact as an integrated whole.
In biotechnology, DNA and other molecules involved have been treated as "micro-objects" made up of material particles. Even if the treatment as "objects" has provided relevant information about the DNA coding of proteins, recent research indicate that this is only part of the story. New experimentally findings demonstrate that quantum mechanical phenomena do play an important role in the workings of DNA and its control of cellular processes. This means that DNA is not a "micro-object" that can be taken apart and manipulated mechanically without completely unforeseeable complications. In other words, the theoretical foundation of genetic engineering is demonstratedly seriously incomplete.
Science only knows the function of genes constituting less than 2 percent of the DNA in a cell. The investigation of the remaining 98% of DNA has just begun. It may have important influences and interactions with the known genes.
The one-gene-one-propety doctrine, which is the very basis of genetic enginering, is outdated. The Human Genome project and other reserach has established beyond any doubt that the effects of a gene are dependent on interaction with its context. There is not enough knowledge to make it possible to predict all the effects of a gene in a foreign context.

noetic16:

blah blah blah and the tale continues.

1. the issue of my God is not a case of fear but a case of justice. should God allow the wicked to have peace?

should God give a blissful eternity to the unrepentant? You would castigate a high court judge who refuses to establish justice to the criminal behind a brutal murder, in the face of overwhelming evidence. You would call for his head and call him all sorts of names. . . , but why is it difficult to place God's purpose of hell in the same context.
Your claims about God/xtians using fear as a factor is both LAME and ridiculous.

2. We have debated this issue a billion times now. The God-experience CANNOT be described as imaginations and wishful thinking. This is because you cannot on any grounds deny the billions of miracles experienced by billions of xtians all over the world from a loving God. you cannot deny or impugn my God-experience.

3. what are the lies and myths? did noah's flood not happen? what explanation do u have for the rootless polystrate fossils?
what is your plausible theory that explains the origin of life?. . . . or the origin of the universe?

are u also attempting to DUMP your ignorance? 

The evidence is overwhelming . .  , if u objectively analyse the evidences, u would realise that my great-great-great-great-greater-grand-mother was right that THERE IS A CREATOR . . . , His name is JESUS.

Mazaje there are a billion idols out there worshipped as gods. . . .should that not tell u that there is an original somewhere there?

I have no idea where u got your crazy theory from. What I do know is that the very complex nature of our universe establishes the case of a super-intelligent creator.

You are the one with a closed mind here . . , mazaje give me 5 intellectually powered reasons why God does not exist?

noetic16:

1. The sun could not have come into existence by accident

. . . .its quite obvious. The major fact that the sun is the principal element of the solar system and also considering its very unique attributes in relation to all other components of the universe makes IMO the case of a specialist, strategically[b] putting the sun in its position to ensure a balanced universe[/b].

I just cannot imagine the sun originating out of nothing. ,  oh please tell me, did the sun come out of nothing of from dead organic materials? 

2.FYI the bible was not written to serve as a scientific blue-print for your dogmatic hypothesis, theories, criticism and disbelieve. neither was it written for historical purposes . ,   , but was written to the saints to strengthen the saints in faith. In lieu of this I propose that we subsequently leave the bible out of this debate.

3.  I have no video showing God creating life. but this fact is IMO very very obvious . . . .if u could offer honest answers to my posers, perhaps u might objectively see reason like Anthony did.

Perhaps the day u can provide scientifically plausible answers to fill the gap. . . . .our argument would be invalidated.

Lets be objective here . . . that u dont believe the creation accounts does NOT discredit it or make it a false case.
what is your plausible explanation to the origin of life and the origin of this universe?

unfortunately, atheists have no proof for the ignorantly proclaimed non-existence of God . . .except for bible-bashing heroics.

Deep Sight:

@ Mazaje -
Just tell me if you think that outside mankind's perceptions and religious fantasies, could there be, or is there likely to be an unknown supreme creator?"

Thanks.

Deep Sight:

^^^ That is neither here nor there -

Mono[/b]theism or [b]poly[/b]theism - both are oppossing worldviews to [b]a[/b]theism - which is a disbelief in the existence of God [b]or gods.

So if there is ONE creator, or many creators, is irrelevant.

I see again you have insinuated that outside mankind's perceptions and religious fantasies, there could be God or gods, yes?

Deep Sight:

^^^ If you concede this, then why all the vitriolic bashing of the theistic worldview?

What other words other than "God/ gods" can we use to decsribe a creator.

Mouse/ Mice?

Deep Sight:

Ok. With the foregoing, am I free to open a thread announcing that you are not, and in fact have never been a pure athiest, and have merely been deliberately mis-understood by Noetic and his gang?

Deep Sight:

Ok. With the foregoing, am I free to open a thread announcing that you are not, and in fact have never been a pure athiest, and have merely been deliberately mis-understood by Noetic and his gang?

MyJoe:


Make the text pink with font size 24!

Howdy maz. But what's with mazaje1? You got banned?

OLAADEGBU:

Watch why Kirk Cameron of 'Way of the Master' lost his faith in atheism.

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toba:

I was able to deduce 4 things from watching the video.
the most paramount of them is the direct quote from Cameron

'if you are going to reject God and the Bible, do it with intellectual integrity and intelligence and not based on the arguments of other atheist. This is the most important questions for atheist Where will u spend eternity if theres truly a God

mazaje1:

If you are going to show that what ever concept of god you hold truly exist do so with intellectual integrity and intelligence and not based on myths and stories that UNKNOWN men wrote thousands of years ago. . . .The most important question for any theist that says his or he/her god exist is to point to the existence of such a god on its own and show that such god exists independent of man made stories, cultural myths, societaj

mazaje1:

God, Gods are loaded words. . . .There could be a creator or creators of the universe that I have never denied even though its only an assumption. . . .[size=30pt]The universe may or may not be created[/size]. . . .

noetic16:

I take full credit for this    . . ,  .mazaje is now gradually dumping his ignorance and shifting his goal post from full blown atheism. . . .to doubtful atheism/theism.

alaper:

Even if there is some sort of intelligent designer, that doesnt prove anything!  There is no evidence that mankind is central to its agenda or even relavant to it more than any other organism in this planet or even in the whole universe.  It could be that its central focus is some sort of life in some far away galaxy.  And there is no evidence that it demands 'worship' and subservience of any sort.  There is no way this idea of intelligent design can be stretched to prove or explain all the ornamental trappings of religion like scripture, churches, dogma, religious laws, tithing, prophesy, preisthood, etc  which have over the ages been put there to dress up what is essentially just an idea.  They have become so structured that everyone has forgotten that it was just and idea to begin with.  It is like dressing the invisible man.  Everybody sees him when he is fully clothed.  But soon everybody forgets that there is nothing inside, and they are only seeing the clothes.  Everybody has become so obsessed with the clothes that nobody is asking whether there is anything inside to begin with.  Sadly, that is the story of religion

jagunlabi:

Good job, noetic. Clap for yaself! 

To convince an atheist that there might be a first cause, or a creator(s), or a grand designer(of some sort) of the universe and all that is in it, might be quite difficult but not unachievable. But to convince the same atheist that that creator is the version that you subscribe to is a whole different ball game.

So, to demonstrate that, your next tasks are as follows;

1) Convince him that the creator is a "HE"
2) Convince him that the bible god is the creator
3) Convince him that the creator's name is yahweh or jehovah
4) Convince him that the bible is the creator's word.
5) Convince him that jesus is both the creator's only begotten son, as well as him at the same time. In other words, make him believe that christianity is the creator's preferred religion

I don't want to burden you with too much tasks (because there many more), but for now, try those 5 for size and see if you can accomplish them. Even you will agree that these 5 tasks will prove to be much much much more challenging. But have a go, anyway. Goodluck and cheers.

noetic16:

I take full credit for this . . , .mazaje is now gradually dumping his ignorance and shifting his goal post from full blown atheism. . . .to doubtful atheism/theism.

noetic16:

This thread intends to discuss the bolded alone . . , u can keep your innuendos about religious doctrines to urself.
what is the rationality of believing that there is no creator?

toba:

the big bang&evolution stories that turned u to a confused atheist should be believed? Whats the proof of the authenticity of those stories u believed in?

toba:

I was able to deduce 4 things from watching the video.
the most paramount of them is the direct quote from Cameron

'if you are going to reject God and the Bible, do it with intellectual integrity and intelligence and [b]not based on the arguments of other atheist. This is the most important questions for atheist Where will u spend eternity if theres truly a God[/b]

noetic16:

I take full credit for this . . , .mazaje is now gradually dumping his ignorance and shifting his goal post from full blown atheism. . . .to doubtful atheism/theism.

mazaje1:

toba:

the big bang&evolution stories that turned u to a confused atheist should be believed? Whats the proof of the authenticity of those stories u believed in?

Pastor AIO:

I would love to see a thread that was a comic book dialogue between Mazaje and Olaadegbu. Not that I would read through it, but it would be a nice idea that such a thread existed.

davidylan:

If there was anything i got from olaadegbu's first clip it was this . . . if you are going to reject God and the Bible, do it with intellectual integrity and intelligence

How many atheists have READ and TRULY UNDERSTAND the bible?