MrEdimulo82:


..and when they expands the road, you will still come to say buildings are being demolished with no'strategy' . Mr. Strategy. Lagos metropolis is built up.

in india,to make way for the speed trains,they just built columns(pillars).The trains go over the road.

mapet:


This project is a PPP. How the rules play in competitive bidding is different. Since these guys are going to source for the funding and less from govt, then the valuation may not be so much the subject of scrutiny as the ability to source for the funding. Might I also add that these are one of the creative ways these our smart Lagos leaders of the Tinubu stock have been killing many birds with one stone and stay legit.

Mapet na wah for you oh!

So you sabi d koko of d matter come dey form?

You are spot on as per PPP being abused in these parts and used as SPVs to circumvent established procurement laws in order to create opacity, non-competitiveness as well as siphon funds.

However, even the normal rules for PPP should yield a good return for everyone. Contractors have to make profit. The people need infrastructure (as established via a needs assessment) and the nation needs development. This must be within just parameters.

PPPs done right are not evil or opaque.

0monnak0da:


Na who belleful dey host world cup or World Bottle.

So number priority should be food and the means (Jobs) to pay our bills.
Qatar belleful now and say them want host World Cup and are building everything from scratch. They won the right NOT based on existing infrastructure but a fat bank balance . They are still building as we speak

I believe you're referring to my post shey? With due respect your submission (underlined) above, such orientation is the exact reason why our growth has been slow. We always think about what we will consume today with no thought on building what will sustain us tomorrow

Secondly, see as you ignorantly "scored an own-goal" in the bolded part. Qatar is not building everything from scratch......and nobody wins hosting right based on "fat bank account"; or better still, lemme guess, following the tot process from your submission, cities like Rio de Janeiro(Brazil), USA-Mexico-Canada (joint bidders for 2026), Others in the past (Germany, South Africa, South Korea) had nothing but....what did you call it again.... ...."fat bank balance "?

JohnieWalker:

Even though both are white elephant project, Football offers more. This doesn't justify the fact that spending such amount of money on a stadium doesn't make it a non white elephant project...Just like say Benz and Audi gulps fuel but Audi is more preferrable.

Please can you engage me a little more and expatitate why you take the position that both are "White Elephant" and what should have been built instead?

mapet:


I believe you're referring to my post shey? With due respect your submission (underlined) above, such orientation is the exact reason why our growth has been slow. We always think about what we will consume today with no thought on building what will sustain us tomorrow

Secondly, see as you ignorantly "scored an own-goal" in the bolded part. Qatar is not building everything from scratch......and nobody wins hosting right based on "fat bank account"; or better still, lemme guess, following the tot process from your submission, cities like Rio de Janeiro(Brazil), USA-Mexico-Canada (joint bidders for 2026), Others in the past (Germany, South Africa, South Korea) had nothing but....what did you call it again.... ...."fat bank balance "?

Why must I be referrng to you? Who are you?

Thnkng about what you eat today just ensures that you are alive tomorrow. It s the correct orientaton to want a job!! don't see what your problem wth that is

if you die today you can never grow tomorrow.

When you show me how a Stadium in Uyo is their priorty we can talk

Qatar s not a fotballng naton t has not got n place the nfrastructure and won based on a promse to BUILD

That promse is credble based on FAT BANK ACCOUNT

So Qatar is not comparable to Brazil whch has hosted the Cup and won t several times
IT IS BUILDING FROM SCRATCH

Our youths are desperate they need jobs

Accordng to you we should not be thinking of jobs otherwse we won't grow? See Logic

three:


Mapet na wah for you oh!

So you sabi d koko of d matter come dey form?

You are spot on as per PPP being abused in these parts and used as SPVs to circumvent established procurement laws in order to create opacity, non-competitiveness as well as siphon funds.

However, even the normal rules for PPP should yield a good return for everyone. Contractors have to make profit. The people need infrastructure (as established via a needs assessment) and the nation needs development. This must be within just parameters.

PPPs done right are not evil or opaque.

Don't get me wrong. I am somewhat in agreement with the underlined as the ultimate objective......but I will be pragmatic to say that the boys that introduced PPP to us have moved on at "Jet-Speed" while regulation is still doing "warm up"

loving this autojosh blogger...nice one. always creative

0monnak0da:


Why must be referrng to you?

Thnkng about what you eat today just ensures that you are alive tomorrow.

f you die today you can never grow tomorrow.

When you show me how a Stadium in Uyo is their priorty we can talk

Qatar s not a fotballng naton t has not got n place the nfrastructure and won based on a promse to BUILD

That promse is credble based on FAT BANK ACCOUNT

So Qatar is not comparable to Brazil whch has hosted the Cup and won t several times
IT IS BUILDING FROM SCRATCH

Our youths are desperate they need jobs

Accordng to you we should not be thinking of jobs otherwse we won't grow? See Logic

Bros,

Both premises you posted in the underlined are factually incorrect. I give you the assignment to disprove this

@ bold,[this is me "jaw-dropped" ] It is needless debating this with you

mapet:


Bros,

Both premises you posted in the underlined are factually incorrect. I give you the assignment to disprove this

Go home and gve your family assignments. Na Jeje I dey go .

Wetn concern me wth you?

If you don't agree keep it n your belle i no ask you

AtikuNetwork:
Akpabio did well by building that stadium in Uyo and the Lagos government is also doing well for building the Oshodi terminal. These are infrastructures that we see and admire when we go to other foreign countries like South Africa, Europe, America, etc but when we try to replicate it here some people must complain. We should learn to give credit to our governors that are trying to modernize our infrastructures and stop this enemy-of-progress behavior that complains whenever infrastructures are upgraded please.

Go and make an enquiry and the cost comparison will throw you off your feet.

three:


This was the original post that elicited the response



He clearly stated that it was his reasons and not an empirical statement. He also stated 'mny have been embezzled' (sic) again no empirical statement there and clear indication of personal opinion.

Do you want to stretch this? His reasons automatically translate to personal opinions to "safe-land" your narrative? "His reasons" are not an indication of making assertive statements presumed to be facts?

Ok Lemme try this

The Pope is an impostor.....my reasons......A black man should have been elected and his ascension to the papacy..was through bribery

CofOLandOfPeace:

AyamStarch: :
The title of this thread is misleading

Whitter Elephant project he asked for public opinion about. Interesting though. But our leaders need to be transparent.


Check our signature in blue below and call or click to chat us on your interest.

@ you both, I think it is important to bring to the fore the dictionary meaning of "White Elephant"

white elephant - a possession that is useless or troublesome, especially one that is expensive to maintain or difficult to dispose of.

from the above and many perspective people try to spin it, can both be termed White Elephant?

mapet:


Do you want to stretch this? His reasons automatically translate to personal opinions to "safe-land" your narrative? "His reasons" are not an indication of making assertive statements presumed to be facts?

Ok Lemme try this

The Pope is an impostor.....my reasons......A black man should have been elected and his ascension to the papacy..was through bribery

Nairaland is robust because it allows discourse.

Many come here to read comments - some for enlightenment, some for entertainment, some to educate others etc.

Anyone can make a supposition. It is left for them to prove that supposition or be ignored.

Your example above is interesting.

Some said there were black ancestors on the lineage of the house of Windsor, this sounded outlandish at first but references were made based on research. There is yet to be offered immutable proof but there exists some probability that a black royal existed.

The point is, hear people out, apply reason to the premise, if it falls short, draw the individuals attention to where it falls short, in turn offering verifiable references.

Let's all learn together.

See my reactions in blue

three:


Nairaland is robust because it allows discourse. - Somewhat true....to the extent that such "discourse" are credible. Do you also know NL is referred to as the "Dust Bin" of SM ?

Many come here to read comments - some for enlightenment, some for entertainment, some to educate others etc.

Anyone can make a supposition. It is left for them to prove that supposition or be ignored. - The danger in this, especially the underlined on some occasions, is that false/faulty statements could be taken as gospel.


Your example above is interesting.

Some said there were black ancestors on the lineage of the house of Windsor, this sounded outlandish at first but references were made based on research. There is yet to be offered immutable proof but there exists some probability that a black royal existed.- This is what makes it interesting


The point is, hear people out, apply reason to the premise, if it falls short, draw the individuals attention to where it falls short, in turn offering verifiable references. - I will continue to take this under advisement......but allow us some subs attimes........


Let's all learn together.- absolutely with you on this.

Cheers

scam everywhere

nedu2000:
stick to the point and detest name calling. The op posted a prototype,we all can't go and face the traffic at oshodi just to view your so called extensions(which are non-existent). The BRT,like is the case with ikorodu road will be curved out of an already existing road

Why comment on something you know next to nothing about? All in the name of "I must comment"

nedu2000:
in india,to make way for the speed trains,they just built columns(pillars).The trains go over the road.

With successive governance we will get there...knowing we can only improve our systems wt concurrent situation. We shall get there and surpass there

Enemy of progress, they should allow Ambode do what is the best for the state. Materials are getting cost everyday, you don't need to compare things. If he chop the money we go still call him thief, let him do the complete the project before you talk. Eko o ni baaje.

MrEdimulo82:


With successive governance we will get there...knowing we can only improve our systems wt concurrent situation. We shall get there and surpass there

it is true sha,there was a time we didn't have roads and there was complete negligence. Amen to your latter statement.

nedu2000:
stick to the point and detest name calling. The op posted a prototype,we all can't go and face the traffic at oshodi just to view your so called extensions(which are non-existent). The BRT,like is the case with ikorodu road will be curved out of an already existing road

Creativity had to come to play on the Ikorodu road's case because it was done on an already existing road

In Oshodi, the road has been expanded, a lot of buildings had to be brought down to make this happen.

Only issue is the government has not made any serious attempt to compensate property owners yet.

I know this because I was affected as well.

baslone:


Creativity had to come to play on the Ikorodu road's case because it was done on an already existing road

In Oshodi, the road has been expanded, a lot of buildings had to be brought down to make this happen.

Only issue is the government has not made any serious attempt to compensate property owners yet.

if you look at the lagos/badagry exp way project one is tempted to think that this is the modus operandi,there is ample space(space for vegetation inbetween) yet there is just space for just 2 lanes.It should once again be wider. The govt is trying but maybe they should try and review their design.
P.S. i am a civil engineer.

Different Strokes

And how do you know it doesnt happen elsewhere?

Olalan:
All projects in Nigeria are over inflated

Honestly speaking, much more money has be looted from Lagos than ever before. If we suddenly just have a stern administration, Those governors would rot in Jail.

battleaxe:


Uncle!! Really? I wouldn't want to enter a building of that magnitude if it did actually cost 35m.... some serious corners would have been cut somewhere.

Depending on what article you reference, the Burj is quoted as haven costed between 650m to 1 billion......dollars!

It's actually $1 Billion.
Many ignorance running here.

Olabestonic001:


It's actually $1 Billion.
Many ignorance running here.

Ignorance?
No be hear you hear?
Did you sign the cheque?

Dem Don try