Obi1kenobi:


Don't kid yourself with your condescending tripe (for someone who speaks about "diplomacy" a lot, you're one very obnoxious brat). I've read Northern history literally since my primary school English comprehension textbooks with tales of many figures from Usman Dan Fodio to Idris Alooma. None of what you stated had anything to do with what I asked. You were speaking about the Fulani socio-political dominance in the North (no one disputes that), and referred to their diplomatic skill and talked about what they had to offer the North. I'm just wondering since the political contraption called Nigeria was created, how the Fulanis have exhibited these traits you speak off. What have they offered the North? How have they exhibited this diplomatic skill you speak of that Igbos have not to their neighbors?

The British handed no power to us because we never held any such power in the first place and had no structures to impose conformity on others. Neither did we have such an inclination in our way of life. Ours was a cluster of several clans and tribes, many organized at little more than Hamlet level. The North offered a much easier administrated vassal state to the colonialists. But again, this has nothing to do with what I was asking, You mythologized Fulani political skill, talking about their diplomacy and all that. How does it make sense that the biggest common denominator in inter-ethnic blood feuds in Nigeria are Fulanis whose entire Nigerian history is one of bloody conquests and subjugation of others, yet you speak about their diplomacy? How is it that the North, if considered alone as an independent territory, has similar HDI standards as South Sudan or Somalia, yet you speak about what Fulanis have to "offer" their subjects. What is this that they have to offer?

Like I told you before, you lack the historical background to reason through the question you asked.
You're appealing to morality and ethics, comparing yourself to Fulanis who should have been more demonized, hated and rejected due to their bad ways right?
You're naive and ignorant I'm sorry to say.
Diplomacy implies power and rulership, at least within the context of politics.
If you had studied northern history and made sense of it, you'd have known what the jihadists offered the pagan tribes they conquered. It was Islam or death.
Yeah that was terrible right? How bad of them

Fact was civilization was creeping up on the backward tribes across Africa, the Islamists were encroaching from North Africa while the Europeans were barging in from the Atlantic. Sooner or later, their way of life, access to markets, rights over their lands and freedom to practice their pagan beliefs was going to be challenged by whichever conquerors got to them first.
And when conquerors take over, they usually control the economic, social and political lives of the peoples they conquered.
The Fulanis set up emirates to rule the lands they conquered, you had to belong to even trade or live as a freeborn. If you belonged, meaning you believed ole Muhammad and his sky daddy were waiting with goodies somewhere up in sky, you had access to an organized empire stretching from Gobir in today's Niger republic to Adamawa in today's Cameron to Ilorin.
Trade in metals, minerals,salt, cotton and produce was restricted within their domains to tax paying citizens.
If you were an unbeliever and didn't believe in Muhammad's sky daddy, well, the Arab slave trade was the most profitable business of the day.

Diplomacy was needed when the Fulanis had to deal with the Kanem Bornos whom they stole quite a chunk of territory from.
Diplomacy was needed when the Fulanis had to deal with the other jihadist empires copying dan Fodios template.
Diplomacy was needed when the Fulanis had to deal with the Kebbawas and their resolve to retain the last standing Habe kingdom.
Diplomacy was needed when they took over the Nupe kingdom and installed a Fulani dynasty over the Native Nupe dynasty.
Diplomacy was needed when Alimi rendered his services to Afonja and gradually settled Ilorin with ex slaves, immigrants and soldiers loyal to him.

I could go on, but I'm guessing you wouldn't understand.
You should pay me for the history lesson.

nnamdijonathan:


I owe you a car for this your comment. Where have people like you been all these while?

He isn't Igbo. At least he is honest enough not to claim Igbo. Unlike you.
Maybe you should learn just that one trait from him.

The problem Igbos have with not only minorities but rest of Nigeria is simply our competitive culture. We believe in freedom and equality but lack stratification and equity in our dictionary. Other Nigerians believe in stratification and equity at least to some extent.

To Igbos others are lazy but to others Igbos would do everything possible to have their way even though without physical confrontation. I've done this research over and over yet arrive at same conclusion.

Is Igbo way of life bad? I don't think so and it's not enough for the dusdain.

superlightning:



You seem to be having fun here aren't you? Hmmmmm.....

Don't be deceived by his copious use of the laughing emoticon....it has as much meaning as the grin of a crazed psycho!

I can sense growing anger and seething rage with every subsequent post he makes!

OK.
Focus on education.
SE seem to be ahead on education.

Xander85:


I seem to have missed the part where you said what your ethnicity is!

Could you remind us again? Just so we can place your comments in their proper perspective.

Another primitive African.
Ok let me give you a preview of my glorious ethnicity.

I currently live in Calabar, so I qualify as a SE.
My family were part of Oba Ovomramwen's entourage when he was exiled by the British.
My grand mother, great grand mother were Igbos from...
Before the exile, my family were part of the Ife party that followed Oronmiyan back to Bini to support the new dynasty. My family were responsible for the... of the Oba.
While at Ife, my family were part of the Nupe and Igbo branches of the Ife original families whom Oduduwa met when he arrived Ife. Infact, Ifa had prophecied his coming to my family group and they awaited his coming. We were part of the group who supported him against...
Did you know the historical relationship between Nupes, ancient Igbos and the original inhabitants of Ife?

na joke oooo, seriously, blame it on too much NL debates in the culture section

I'm just a Nigerian like you. happy now?

Ebonyi seem to be on the rear on education in SE, and I think it's down to the neglect that part of Igboland suffered for so long. Now they have their own state, and things can only get better.
Many poor Ebonyi people had also left the villages to all towns in SE, and beyond in attempt to beat poverty and better their families. I noticed that this generation of Ebonyians making this rural to Urban drift, often have to drop from school and go into trading, starting usually from street hawking and other menial job.
This generation are hardworking and determined to leave a foundation for their upcoming siblings and children.
Soon, their Labour would start bearing fruits, because they would Now be able to pay for school fees for their younger siblings and children, something their parents couldn't offer them.

Ebonyi state government is also playing a big role.
Ebonyi is getting it right. These are our brothers who many ignorant ones amongst us like to belittle without trying to walk through their shoes. I have a friend from Ngbo in Ohaukwu LGA, a coursemate in the University, I once went home with him because I wanted to know better.
Ebonyi is a blessing to Igboland, one-day, we will all come to realize how incomplete we would be without them.

pazienza:
OK.
Focus on education.
SE seem to be ahead on education.

Well,not only in education but on almost all HD indices and projections. After a careful study of some key developmental features since 1999,i gave kudos to most South East governors given the historical and perpetual systemic deprivation they battle with to steer their states ahead. Just delve further into other areas of development and you will be shocked at what the results say.
However,on the above,Ebonyi truly has to buckle up.I recall Sam Egwu placed an embargo on street trading during his regime and that forced many children of school age into the classrooms.The results of that policy will start manifesting soon.I also hope Dave Umahi continued on same path.
Nice one!

Where does the critical percentage of out-of-school children start from? 10%? 20%? 30%? Pls intepret this statistic.

Where is Chino Come on. Come and see how SE is leading.

pazienza:


He isn't Igbo. At least he is honest enough not to claim Igbo. Unlike you.
Maybe you should learn just that one trait from him.

I have just been watching him from the sidelines since he created that account pretending to be something he is not.

superlightning:
Where does the critical percentage of out-of-school children start from? 10%? 20%? 30%? Pls intepret this statistic.

The source is there.
From multiple indicator cluster from NBS.

I saw it somewhere.

Abagworo:
The problem Igbos have with not only minorities but rest of Nigeria is simply our competitive culture. We believe in freedom and equality but lack stratification and equity in our dictionary. Other Nigerians believe in stratification and equity at least to some extent.

To Igbos others are lazy but to others Igbos would do everything possible to have their way even though without physical confrontation. I've done this research over and over yet arrive at same conclusion.

Is Igbo way of life bad? I don't think so and it's not enough for the dusdain.

Igbos unfortunately are not more competitive than the Hausa Fulanis, despite what you might believe.
Or the Yorubas, as these 2 groups understand the bigger dynamics and realities of state craft way better than Igbos.
They simply don't waste time with crumbs, but go for the table itself.
Power is the game and controlling the benefits of power is the field of play. Sadly Igbos don't have a clue.

Your problem is organized leadership.
Other ethnic groups see you as amorphous and lawless since there is no visible leadership structure.
They simply do not have a handle to relate with Igbos effectively, hence your individualism sticks out like a sore thumb and the sins of one is generalized over the many.
Now compare that to dealing with Hausas who dominate the cattle and, forex trade. There is always a visible hierarchy indigenes of any land they're operating in can rely on to curb their excesses.
Of course Igbos have unions and all that, but have you considered the fact that Igbos still have not been able to present political leadership interfaces that other ethnic groups can identify or relate with?

Think about it.

Bede2u:
you knw its funny... my 1st stage actually was the one u described as last. B4 i neva use to consider ss igbos as actual igbos. I thought all of them were called ''eka igbo'' and that all of them were igbophobic. But i knew that they had a connection with igbo somehow.

Wen i entered uni i met a few of them especially from delta state. They neva spoke igbo to me...and one of them was particularly hostile. I never took it to heart cos i always thought there werent igbo.

It was after my uni days that i started coming to nairaland and following politics beyond newspapers. That was wen i learnt a lot about ss igbos. And realised that some of them are actually igbos and that not all of them are ''eka igbo''. That was also wen i read igbo political history and came to the conclusion that igbo nation must identify and reunite with them.

Wen i joined this thread and read ur opinion was wen i also shifted again and held the view that it seems the attachment to them is costing the igbo nation politically. So my view now is this;

1. Within nigeria, ss igboid groups are not igbos. And must not be allowed to gain wat is supposed to come to igbo
2. Outside nigeria or post nigeria, ss igboid groups are part of the igbo nation. Their lands belong to us and if need be, we must fight to claim it...regardless of who thinks other wise and who comes here to hide behind keyboard to insult his betters.

Its the bitter politics that the igbo nation should start playing

lol, just like saying that the Benin people should claim Anioma by force because it is part of Benin land.
Ikwerri is officially an ethnic group in Nigeria although still recognized as sub-igbo and I fully respect that. Stop this your "by-force" join join.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_Nigeria

PabloAfricanus:


Igbos unfortunately are not more competitive than the Hausa Fulanis, despite what you might believe.
Or the Yorubas, as these 2 groups understand the bigger dynamics and realities of state craft way better than Igbos.
They simply don't waste time with crumbs, but go for the table itself.
Power is the game and controlling the benefits of power is the field of play. Sadly Igbos don't have a clue.

Your problem is organized leadership.
Other ethnic groups see you as amorphous and lawless since there is no visible leadership structure.
They simply do not have a handle to relate with Igbos effectively, hence your individualism sticks out like a sore thumb and the sins of one is generalized over the many.
Now compare that to dealing with Hausas who dominate the cattle and, forex trade. There is always a visible hierarchy indigenes of any land they're operating in can rely on to curb their excesses.
Of course Igbos have unions and all that, but have you considered the fact that Igbos still have not been able to present political leadership interfaces that other ethnic groups can identify or relate with?

Think about it.

Check the indices on education posted by pazienza and see how "competitive" your people are.

Xander85:


I seem to have missed the part where you said what your ethnicity is!

Could you remind us again? Just so we can place your comments in their proper perspective.

He is from one of the inconsequential minorities down south, too afraid to mention his tribe but badmouthing those who are 100% better than his people.


Just laugh at him and ignore him.

Obi1kenobi:


A lot of these claims of yours seem to be ambiguous abstractions with no specificity to them. What exactly do you think the Fulanis had to offer the Hausas and Northern minorities who they dominate? Also, why do they seem to be warring with so many of their neighbours in many communities all over the North with this vaunted diplomatic quality of theirs? Why is it that we undiplomatic savages tend to live in peace wherever we go and these diplomatic heroes of your bring deadly conflicts with them wherever they go?

when I read his point I realised hes either fulani or is definitely a mad ndeltan.

nnamdijonathan:


lol, just like saying that the Benin people should claim Anioma by force because it is part of Benin land.
Ikwerri is officially an ethnic group in Nigeria although still recognized as sub-igbo and I fully respect that. Stop this your "by-force" join join.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_Nigeria

Ikwerre is not a sub group of any Igbo.
Ikwerre is an independent ethnic nationality. Who trace their history from Bini.

They are simply a group of confused Bini people, who jettisoned their Bini language for Igbolanguage, which they distorted to create the stuff they call Ikwerre language today.

This is the official story of Ikwerre as recognized by Ogbako Ikwerre, and prominent Ikwerre people like Late Elechi Amadi.

Don't get it twisted.

PabloAfricanus:


Not when your co travellers are busy making inciteful statements that can heat up the polity.
Not when you lots are talking trash that's gonna get innocent Igbos suyalized for no fault of theirs.
You lots need a hand to guide you for your own good I'm sorry to say.

You lack the required tact to discuss issues affecting non aligned parties without inciting more hate to innocents who will probably never know why they're attacked.
I will be here watching and responding as I see fit.
I'll advise you to continue and heed my advise if you can, very optional of course.

not every Igbo man can handle the truth. God bless u one more time

pazienza:


Ikwerre is not a sub group of any Igbo.
Ikwerre is an independent ethnic nationality. Who trace their history from Bini.

They are simply a group of confused Bini people, who jettisoned their Bini language for Igbolanguage, which they distorted to create the stuff they call Ikwerre language today.

This is the official story of Ikwerre as recognized by Ogbako Ikwerre, and prominent Ikwerre people like Late Elechi Amadi.

Don't get it twisted.

Post civil war narratives are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Research and scientific submissions categorize them as Igbo whether you agree or disagree.

You will never see such postwar narratives accepted by more informed anthropologists anywhere in the world. Why? Because they engage in Igbo culture and tradition. They should leave our igwuocha (pH) and go back to Bini if they are truly Bini.

PabloAfricanus:


Come on now.
How will readers know the difference between you i.diats and a refined specimen of tact, diplomacy and all things classy like moi?
You expect me to roll in the gutter with an i.diat like you?
You should apologize for that insult.

10 gboza for you.

superlightning:


Post civil war narratives are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Research and scientific submissions categorize them as Igbo whether you agree or disagree.

You will never see such postwar narratives accepted by more informed anthropologists anywhere in the world. Why? Because they engage in Igbo culture and tradition. They should leave our igwuocha (pH) and go back to Bini if they are truly Bini.

Since when has Ikwerre care about your research. Even if you publish thorough peer to peer research work, it won’t change anything for them. Abeg talk something else. Let’s move on to something else.

superlightning:


Post civil war narratives are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Research and scientific submissions categorize them as Igbo whether you agree or disagree.

You will never see such postwar narratives accepted by more informed anthropologists anywhere in the world. Why? Because they engage in Igbo culture and tradition. Why? Because they engage in Igbo culture and tradition. They should leave our igwuocha (pH) and go back to Bini if they are truly Bini.

Lol!

You are beginning to sound like Bede2u. What's the obsession with that 3rd world city called Ph all about?
It couldn't even make it into resilient city category, which Enugu did.
PH is an empty third world city, it's not like it's NY or London or anything. The City planning is piss poor. Everything happening through congested Aba road. With the sprawling Rumus with old bungalows and "public yards".
Worst still, the city is shared between Ikwerre and Ijaws and a future theatre of war, once coastal Ijaw groups gets their oil Rivers state and insist on going with their own part of Ph, leaving Ikwerre and the rest of upland Rivers with a landlocked state with no access to offshore derivation Money. Hmm.

You IPOB people better snap out of it already. There is nothing spectacular about Ph. We already have better planed cities in SE, and we can build world standard cities from the scratch, once we focus home (SE).

pazienza:



Lol!

You are beginning to sound like Bede2u. What's the obsession with that 3rd world city called Ph all about?
It couldn't even make it into resilient city category, which Enugu did.
PH is an empty third world city, it's not like it's NY or London or anything. The City planning is piss poor. Everything happening though congested Aba road. With the sprawling Rumus with old bungalows and "public yards".
Worst still, the city is shared between Ikwerre and Ijaws and a future theatre of war, once coastal Ijaw groups gets their oil Rivers state and insists on going with their own part of Ph, leaving Ikwerre and the rest of upland Rivers with a landlocked state with no access to offshore derivation Money. Hmm.

You IPOB people better snap out of it already. There is nothing spectacular about Ph. We already have better planed cities in SE, and we can build world standard cities from the scratch, once we focus home (SE).

Thanks again and again and again.

superlightning:


Check the indices on education posted by pazienza and see how "competitive" your people are.

Don't be pained kid, those numbers don't count in the bigger scheme of things.

Check it out, OBJ came back after 1979 to rule.
PMB came back after 1985 to rule.
What were your blodas doing?
Passing exams or what?

Well, you're contradicted by the fact that you and your blodas are rejoicing over the mere handing of a party ticket to Atiku, a man from those "less educated" peoples and not just that, but are praying and hoping he doesn't dump you guys and pick a VP from say the SS or SW. Your blodas are even threatening to boycott if he picks a on SE VP?
But seriously, why should he? What does he stand to gain in concrete terms? If you were Atiku would you?

If your blodas comments here are any indicator of your feelings, you'd probably not be able to do anything about it, other than to resign yourself to your fate.
If Atiku fails to win the 2019 elections, you'd still be dancing to whichever tune catches the fancy of "less educated" men from those "low education index" states.

Now how about that?

horsepower101:


Since when has Ikwerre care about your research. Even if you publish thorough peer to peer research work, it won’t change anything for them. Abeg talk something else. Let’s move on to something else.

Like I said, they are sick. The ones well among them should be embraced. Others..... Kick them out of your agenda. Igwuocha bu alaigbo....50 years of post war propaganda cannot change the boundary of alaigbo. Let them go to Edo state if they are Edo. There is always a black sheep in every family. Ikwerre is a black sheep.

nnamdijonathan:


not every Igbo man can handle the truth. God bless u one more time

I've always suspected your claims to Igbo ethnicity and your true intentions on this thread. Not any more!

Must admit you had me fooled at some point, as you've used the tried and tested technique of contributing a lot on Igbo-themed threads...joining us in discussing Igbo affairs with as much fervour as true Igbo kinsfolk!

Get a life mate!

pazienza:
OK.
Focus on education.
SE seem to be ahead on education.

Woww, Anambra always leading

basilo101:

Uncommon greenery

I tell you, I enjoy nature a lot.

What is wrong with our people... I think people who keep bringing ph into our discussion knws what they are doing.

nnamdijonathan:


not every Igbo man can handle the truth. God bless u one more time

You know I was very frontal in tackling and exposing your fake Igbo credentials when you first came up with that foolish decoy of a moniker. All along,I watched as you subtly rejoice gleefully at all anti -Igbo issues and at the same time trying to sound "belonged". Okay,oya review and tell me the truths contained in what that rabble rouser mentioned above. We all are watching as you gleefully keep clapping and chipping at his inanities. You fooled some but you didn't fool me. I detect your types from afar! Be proud and declare your rabid stock.Truth gbukwe gi there! Ezi Bida!

PabloAfricanus:


Don't be pained kid, those numbers don't count in the bigger scheme of things.

Check it out, OBJ came back after 1979 to rule.
PMB came back after 1985 to rule.
What were your blodas doing?
Passing exams or what?

Well, you're contradicted by the fact that you and your blodas are rejoicing over the mere handing of a party ticket to Atiku, a man from those "less educated" peoples and not just that, but are praying and hoping he doesn't dump you guys and pick a VP from say the SS or SW. Your blodas are even threatening to boycott if he picks a on SE VP?
But seriously, why should he? What does he stand to gain in concrete terms? If you were Atiku would you?

If your blodas comments here are any indicator of your feelings, you'd probably not be able to do anything about it, other than to resign yourself to your fate.
If Atiku fails to win the 2019 elections, you'd still be dancing to whichever tune catches the fancy of "less educated" men from those "low education index" states.

Now how about that?

So how does our "misfortune" affect you? Are you here because igbos want to vote atiku? Is that your headache?

Despite your obj, buhari, bla bla bla, how has yorubaland fared educationally? SE still rocks educationally, and it aches you badly. Take heart.