kayfra:


You simply don't get it. What you are trying to do or what you think you are doing has no concept of time.


"The turkey is a large bird in the genus Meleagris, which is native to the Americas. The genus has two extant species: the wild turkey of North America and the ocellated turkey."

So we only started having contact with the bird during slave trade. The earliest was 400 years ago. So the ToloTolo you keep yacking about is a fairly recent loan word derived from the name Turkey I suspect by Crowther is just a joke

On another hand you just don't jumble words that are not even remotely connected and use it as proof coz they sound alike in your mind. That's the story of most of your other examples. You guys should pass me the weed

You keep jumping logic. It's amazing

kayfra:


A few migration down south across the Sahara, before the Sahara dried out, occured over 10,000 years ago. Using combled words some of which begat life in the 19th century to prove an event thousands of years ago is asinine.

You have to look deeper and stop with the lazy associations

kayfra:


A few migration down south across the Sahara, before the Sahara dried out, occured over 10,000 years ago.

Using combled words some of which begat life in the 19th century to prove an event thousands of years ago is asinine.

You have to look deeper and stop with the lazy associations

nlPoster:
I think 10,000 years is considered the unofficial start of the modern narrative although I could be wrong.

absoluteSuccess:


Oye la

Ela ro wa

Baa femo l'oju ariran.

You have a variant angle to that though, but as used in the above, it means elaro (Ela Oro wa: meaning let understanding descend down (like rainfall) from above.

This is the proof that our ancient ancestors were familiar with cyphers. Elaro required that understanding of semantics or circumstances comes from above.

Albeit by coincidence the word Ela is said to be omoloju olodumare. That instance tends to Yoruba escathology and interpretations from religion is inevitable.

Literally, the Yoruba says Ela l'oro... you can quip with the saying taa ba la, kii yeni, lodifa fun aisorola to p'elenpe akoko, to nigba wuwo j'awo lo.

The proverb borders on ambiguity of Yoruba words.

Olu317:
Oro is Ela; Ela is Eledumare! Ela ro wa was the chant that was the entrance word to understanding revelation from God,which Olifa chants. Obviously, God is all in Ela, which was the creating force of good and Evil, that manifest as Light of God.

In Osa Ogunda :

Eledumare made Hoo, which comprised of three of the most powerful elements contained in the “earth-dust” sprinkled from the Snail shell – Ogbon (wisdom), Imo (knowledge), and Oye (understanding). “Ro” means descend, as in the chant, Ela ro, Ela ro, Ela ro. It is said that Eledumare created Ogbon, Imo and Oye as an intermediary force for creating more beings. He tried to find a place for them to live, but they came back to Him, humming, and Eledumare swallowed them. They hummed inside him for millennia, so he had to get rid of them. Eledumare ordered them to “ro” descend, saying, “hoo-ro.” Oro, the solid matter, melted and was suspended in mid-air like jelly. Oro then dropped and “la” cracked into a new state called E-la, or Ela. Ela (the Spirit of Purity) functions in the Ifa divination complex as the embodiment of Ogbon, Imo, and Oye. Ela is the recognized authoritative source of communication and explanation of the nature of Eledumare and all his creation (Abiodun).

In Odu Ogunda Ogbe, we find more reference to Oro:

Okon kpoki, Erigidí kpií, adifa fun Oro nijo ti Oro wo orun kenge kenge.

Who was the first to speak?
Ela was the first to speak.
Who was the first to communicate?
Ela was the first to communicate.
Who is this Ela?
It was the Hoo which descended;
That we call Ela.

One-sharp-sound and one-loud-sound (“Ku” and “Ke”)are the names of the Awos who made divination for Oro when he was so ill that he thought he was going to die, (figure of speech) when he was looking forlornly at Orun from his spot hanging in the air. He was advised to make ebo with eko, akara, rat, fish and a chicken. After preparing the ebo, the Ifa priests told him to carry it on his head (ori) to Esu’s shrine. He was further told that on getting to the shrine, he was to back it and incline his head backwards in such a way that the ebo would drop on the shrine (acknowledging Esu as that liminal space between orun and aiye, dark and light).
As soon as he allowed the sacrifice to drop on the Esu shrine, while still backing up to Esu, a voice instructed him to stretch his hands and feet forward. First, he stretched out his left limbs and next his right limbs (with Esu’s help, he makes the transition from the invisible plane to the visible plane. Left limbs darkness, right limbs light). The moment he did that, the disease that had afflicted his body to the point of incapacitation suddenly disappeared. From the shrine, he began to dance and sing towards the house in praise of the Awo. The Awo praised Ifa, and Ifa praised Olodumare. When he began to sing, Esu put a song in his mouth:

ljo logo ji jo, erigidi kpii, erigidi.
ljo logo ji jo, erigidi kpi-kpi-kpí, erigidí
(Awo Dino)

Olu317:
kayfra, in ‘Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba by Professor Suzanne Preston Blier
posited, ‘An early Ife date of c. 350 bce. purportedly based on radiocarbon (Folster in Ozanne 1969:32), cited by both Ogundiran (2002, p.c.) and Drewal (2009:80), has been rejected by Frank Willett (2004) and others for lack of supporting scientific evidence. I concur with this assessment'.

Obviously from the calculation of the rejected oral postulations by oral account of 350 ,BCE, does even match 3000 years of Yoruba existence in Nigeria, not to mention 10,000 years. I am sure, you put your hope in the Yoruba calendar that predated Africa's Yoruba's history. Kindly do your extra homework before you assumed

absoluteSuccess:


Hmm good resource,

The spoken word descended from The Creator. Every ancient culture possibly have their own illustration of the same phenomenal in their folklore.

absoluteSuccess:


The fellow who wrote off this thread as thrash few days ago has given us the opportunity to see the substance in him.

This monicker is the male olaochi. The -fra rightly connect with -chi. The same silly mistakes in a writer's mood cannot be repeated in another writer exactly the same fashion. It's a signature.

These are "online Yoruba" striving for Yoruba history without Yoruba folklore.

You never narrow down history to pure and applied science and bounce on archeology in the same postulation. Only a quack does that. And as the mantra goes, "by their fruits you will know them".

When a historical data presents itself, you have to look at what it contains. Here is a guy telling me about Yoruba history coated in pure geology and genetics speculation from the deep.

The Sahara

I don't agree with the Sahara drying up just because there is claim about that in a school of thought. If the Sahara had dried out, does it use to be a dead sea?

If not, who combed the fossils of the teeming aquatic life there in when it used to be a sea bigger than the Indian ocean? Or they migrated out fast?

When a water body that big decided to go, 10000 year is not enough to cleanse the environment of the ripple effect of the ecological imprint of such phenomenal.

And should the sand be the "fossils" then the claim get so ambiguous: (1). the sea will have to be somewhere else, and (2). it should be impossible for nature to make desserts.

The sea being somewhere else is the hypothesis borne out of the fact that Sahara desert is a "seasand", not "seabed".

The geological morphology of the bed of the sea is different from what we have at continental shelf that sometimes culminates into beaches, not in all cases does that happens.

So how come the Sahara is all dessert, and no part made of other forms of topographical illustration of its past as a sea? If the sea itself is somewhere else, where would that be?

My theory

My take is that the Sahara desert rescinded the same age that the oceans of the world had their boundaries with Land. That makes the desert as old as dry land appeared from the sea.

The sorrunding land of the northern and southern hemisphere would appear and the water from this places will shift both ways and sideways to neighbor seas. this is my take from the Creator.

A book filled with ancient wisdom that still finds relevance in our age says "And the spirit of God was hovering upon the waters" therefore the land we live upon had emerged from global seabed.

That said, what will happen chronologically to make dry land appear from a diluvian age to a world of waters and land? Light. Therefore, the sequence"let there be light" is a sacred sentence.

Let's leave the rest of the story.

The other question that begs for answer from the post is better answered by you. These hordes of fools delighted in answering the original Man, but it should come at an explanation.

That biology make you so should be confirmed by genetics and archeology. Genetics should tell us all descended from Africa, archeology should confirm this with sites of the earliest civilization.

Has there been an alpha phenotype of "Man from Africa" DNA? Coming up with numbers and colonization education biological pride is lying with decoy and empty science.

All that these folks were out to achieve is that we've contributed nothing to our history, we are glorified to have evolved. Looking for connection outside will ruin that Darwinian endowment.

The angle we want to read now should be their own, about the origin of man and how it all began in Africa and how science and tradition of the land attested to it.

With proof of science and proof of tradition.

kayfra:

You sure you don't want to take up on Yoruba reverse migration from Japan? Lolz

Your very own back to Africa theory

Olu317:
Every ancient did have but only two groups says the same for creation! Yoruba and Classic Hebrew. Even in the might of Kemet,Persia,Assyria,Greek, Roman, etc,have no knowledge of an invicible God that created everything through manifestation of light! This is my point.

nlPoster:
Oye is harmattan wind which can be accompanied by a fog.

geosegun:


Ooyee la a, is a descriptive phrase that emphasizes the break forth or break through of light - just as absolutesuccess mentioned. He probably wasn't referring to OYE (Harmattan), which is a noun and connotes weather conditions around the equator.

geosegun:


Ooyee la a, is a descriptive phrase that emphasizes the break forth or break through of light - just as absolutesuccess mentioned. He probably wasn't referring to OYE (Harmattan), which is a noun and connotes weather conditions around the equator.

kayfra:
This looney thread gains more freaks by the day

absoluteSuccess:


Exactly.

O ye is the movable darkness, the gathering of cloud that may cover the weather and prevent the penetration of light, which compares to the state of shade to the one seeking enlightenment from Ifa or a seer.

Ela ro wa is asking that light or ray of light descend down like rainfall through the palpable darkness. The darkness is nothing but the vast space that darkens with distance.

The same thought is concretized in the saying "ojumo timo, oye la peregede" meaning "as the day break, the "dark lighten up" resplendentfully.

Oye as shift

Oye in this sense is akin to saying "boju ba yeju, kohun ma yehun" and not in the sense of say, "obokun oloye". Oye is not our consideration here.

Oyela is also akin to oyeku: ayeiku, not aye-ku (aye di oku). The ye in this sense as we can see function as "sun" that is, shift, or go on a shift.

Oyela as sunlight

Oyela can better be understood as though one intended to say "osunla" with "ye" meaning "sun": in contemporary Yoruba ye is sun, meaning "shift a bit".

Let's now put Sun or Solar at the back of the mind. This comparative study with another language gives us a framework and helps bring out the hidden beauty and meaning to fore.

Therefore, o su la means "the dark illuminates" giving birth to sunlight. Good attempt but it never hit the bull's eye, where we are not the one talking but the ancestors through their word.

A reconstruction of Oyela

Osunla is a reconstruction of "o ye la". Sun is not birth to life in the 19th century as someone will say, rather, one is in the mainstream and the others reserved for reconstructions.

Foreign Cognate

We're familiar with this name Ursula, what does it mean? I don't have any idea as I'm typing this, but it is not by accident if it further fortify what is being said here.

Saying toju ba yeju is like saying if we miss by eye contact, "kohun ma yehun" means we must not miss on agreed upon conclusion.

Oye as "missing"

"Missing" is the function of a subject of interest being in absentia and not being present. So, what do we miss in oyela? It's "Oye" which was missing earlier that later "la".

That's where the word is a sentence in another language. Oyela can now be said to mean "the missing (light) now shines" what is hidden now break forth.

Then oyela is a scientific language in Yoruba that the sun has break forth the vast darkness to set the earth on perpetual orbit. Liken to saying Off and on.


Oye as orbit

Taya ba moju oko tan, alarina a yeba: alarina literally means "the go between" two lovers, but we take it to mean "the matchmaker".

As alarina is wayfarer, the earth is on it's course in orbit, Yoruba said obiri laye, to ba lo siwaju atun lo seyin.

Unlike the matchmaker that yeba, the lighmaker yela. As it is, the original light of creation is still reaching us till today, then oyela is the scientific statement of day one.

Oyela as oyila

An English reader may read oyela as oyila. Sometimes, Yoruba words behaves in exact manner. Omokehinde oyila. Someone who came last later returns with breakthrough.


Oyela as the day one

Oyela is said to command a scenario in darkness to light. This mimic the Creator who command earth from obscurity to align with light.

The original earth was switched off the radar, God command it to fall into light. Scientifically speaking, that's the day one of the earth in orbit.

How so? The same Yoruba word obiri laye means that the earth turns to enable seeing. So rotation of the earth brings light.

The sun is not an object but a center of orbits. So it is light, not a fire. Seeing derived from cycling. The ancient Yoruba were in touch with the Divine.

PeterKbaba:
I HAVE A FEELING THAT THE ARE SPIES PAID TO COME ONLINE, ESPECIALLY AFRICAN FORUMS AND ACT LIKE THEY ARE YORUBA'S (NIGERIANS) TO KEEP ON DISCREDITING ALL OUR YOUNG YORUBA RESEARCHERS AND TRY TO SUPPRESS OUR HERITAGE THEY HAVE BEEN HIDING FROM US.

THIS IS MY OWN OPINION:
We Yoruba's have always called ourselves children of Noah (Omoluabi).
We call Oduduwa as Lamrudu.
The former Sultan of Sokoto once told the White man that the Yoruba's a Canaanites from the Land of Canaan.

Here is the meaning of CUSH:
Cush or Kush (/kʊʃ, kʌʃ/ Hebrew: כּוּשׁ, Kush) was, according to the Bible, the eldest son of Ham, a son of Noah. He was the brother of Canaan (land of Canaan), Mizraim (Egypt) and Phut (land of Libya), and the father of the biblical Nimrod mentioned in the "Table of Nations" in Genesis 10:6 and I Chronicles 1:8.

THIS BIBLE PROPHECY IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
◄ Zephaniah 3:9-11 ►
9 For then I will restore pure lips to the peoples, that all may call upon the name of the LORD and serve Him shoulder to shoulder.
10 From beyond the rivers of Cush My worshipers, My scattered people, will bring Me an offering.
11 On that day you will not be put to shame for any of the deeds by which you have transgressed against Me. For then I will remove from among you those who rejoice in their pride, and you will never again be haughty on My holy mountain.

SO, WHERE IS BEYOND THE RIVERS OF NEW LAND OF CUSH, THAT THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF?
IS IT ALL THE TRIBES BELOW THE RIVER NIGER & BENUE??