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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Temple1288(m): 3:11pm On Jul 24, 2019
Kops the robot! Nobody wants to mention you directly! You're a fućking robot

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 3:15pm On Jul 24, 2019
Robert Mueller says he can not name a single other example where investigators treated someone the way he treated

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by kophschmerzenii: 3:17pm On Jul 24, 2019
Mueller already said he will be limited, the reason for the YES and NO answer.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 3:22pm On Jul 24, 2019
Jim_Jordan Grills #Mueller on why the 'central figure' Prof Joseph Mifsud - whose info was the FBI's reason to launch investigation into Trump - lied 3 times during FBI interviews wasn't charged for lying like all the others charged.


Good question.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 3:26pm On Jul 24, 2019
Chris Wallace on Fox observes that one big takeaway is question of the degree to which Mueller was even in charge of this operation. #MuellerHearing

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by kophschmerzenii: 3:31pm On Jul 24, 2019
stanech:
Chris Wallace on Fox observes that one big takeaway is question of the degree to which Mueller was even in charge of this operation. #MuellerHearing

Keep getting your koolaid from the entertainment network.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 3:32pm On Jul 24, 2019
Its official we are now watching The Roast of Robert Mueller

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 3:44pm On Jul 24, 2019
Even my democrat friend just gave up
No matter whose side you’re on, I think it’s going to be virtually unanimous that the great case study in rectitude, Robert Mueller, has not made a good overall impression today. Perhaps a mercy rule should be invoked & just get the guy outta there. This is painful

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 4:08pm On Jul 24, 2019
“Mueller was asked whether or not the investigation was impeded in any way, and he said no.”

In other words, there was NO OBSTRUCTION.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 4:43pm On Jul 24, 2019
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 4:56pm On Jul 24, 2019
This Mueller hearing is just a waste of everyone's time. He is just busy dodging questions that everyone wants an answer to and refusing to provide any new information that is not already available to the public. This entire sham show was for the Democratic party to have a reason to move forward with impeachment of the President and Mueller has failed them

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 5:07pm On Jul 24, 2019
Temple1288:
Rep Jim rocks!
Jim Jordan exposed the entire charade for what it was, a hatchet job by corrupt people to abuse their their vantage positions to take down a president that was legitimately elected by the people

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 5:27pm On Jul 24, 2019
I just love how fake news CNN quickly cut away from live broadcast of the hearing the moment things got real and have refused to go back. I am sure they will come back later in the evening when they've got their liberal spinning game together and spin away for the lunatic liberals

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 5:33pm On Jul 24, 2019
A new poll by liberal leaning politico shows that Democrats are becoming increasingly skeptical of fairness of Russia probe.

"Since the public release of a redacted version of the Mueller report, Democrats have grown more skeptical that the Russia investigation was conducted fairly, according to a new poll."

"By a 5-point margin, the poll found that, overall, there’s more skepticism about how the Justice Department conducted its investigation than trust that it was carried out fairly: 37 percent of voters said that they believed Mueller’s investigation had been carried out very or somewhat fairly, compared with 42 percent who said the probe was conducted “not too fairly” or “not fairly at all.”

"But there was a much bigger swing among Democrats, the most recent poll found. Among Democratic voters, the number who consider the investigation unfair shot up by 15 percentage points since then, while the number who thought it had been a fair investigation dropped by 9 points."


https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/24/poll-democrats-russia-investigation-1428353

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TheShopKeeper(m): 5:34pm On Jul 24, 2019
...depending on which side of political affiliation...one thing is certain from the hearing asked by a republican congressman..."can the president be indicted after he left office...mueller said "yes" twice...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1154038990003036161

...Rep Buck was not ready for that answer, the first rule of law is to know the answer before you ask the question...Mueller said he would indict Trump when his term is over, that was damaging. This is why Trump keeps saying he may just stay in the WH indefinitely. He knows what’s going to happen when he leaves....of course Mueller will not contradict his report. He already said there was enough in the report to charge Trump when he leaves office....

...also the republicans strategy was to take Mueller down by linking his team to Clinton in order to defend a president that he employed people who donated to Hillary Clinton, played golf with Bill Clinton, and had the Clintons at his wedding? This is why their downfall is imminent....

...for the record...Mueller was appointed over the past 30 years by 3 Republican Presidents – Ronald Reagan, George H.W Bush and George W Bush and appointed by briefly by Obama...

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 5:41pm On Jul 24, 2019
Mueller needs to go back to law school. In America’s judicial system, no prosecutors ever, ever conclude innocence. They only decide guilt. Americans are presumed innocent if not found guilty!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 5:52pm On Jul 24, 2019
stanech:
Mueller needs to go back to law school. In America’s judicial system, no prosecutors ever, ever conclude innocence. They only decide guilt. Americans are presumed innocent if not found guilty!
Exactly, you can't find someone not exonerated or not innocent under the law because a person's innocent is already granted under the law. You are innocent until proven guilty by law. You are expected to find them guilty or not guilty and you can only find guilty when you have proved beyond reasonable doubt that alleged crime was committed. What Mueller is saying is, we didn't find him guilty but at the same time we didn't exonerate him. A very strange decision that is alien to the law or DOJ guidelines. Even Mueller admitted that this has never been done before when Rep. Collins challenged him on that

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 5:57pm On Jul 24, 2019
Anduku:

Exactly, you can't find someone not exonerated or not innocent under the law because a person's innocent is already granted under the law. You are innocent until proven guilty by law. You are expected to find them guilty or not guilty and you can only find guilty when you have proved beyond reasonable doubt that alleged crime was committed. What Mueller is saying is, we didn't find him guilty but at the same time we didn't exonerate him. A very strange decision that is alien to the law or DOJ guidelines. Even Mueller admitted that this has never been done before when Rep. Collins challenged him on that

Could not have said it better

Mueller’s overall point: “We didn’t have enough to charge Trump with obstruction but we won’t exonerate him either”. Believe me if the Democrats had something on him he’d have been charged. What Mueller is doing is grandstanding... purely political. Sick guy.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 6:01pm On Jul 24, 2019
TheShopKeeper:
...depending on which side of political affiliation...one thing is certain from the hearing asked by a republican congressman..."can the president be indicted after he left office...mueller said "yes" twice...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1154038990003036161

...Rep Buck was not ready for that answer, the first rule of law is to know the answer before you ask the question...Mueller said he would indict Trump when his term is over, that was damaging. This is why Trump keeps saying he may just stay in the WH indefinitely. He knows what’s going to happen when he leaves....of course Mueller will not contradict his report. He already said there was enough in the report to charge Trump when he leaves office....

...also the republicans strategy was to take Mueller down by linking his team to Clinton in order to defend a president that he employed people who donated to Hillary Clinton, played golf with Bill Clinton, and had the Clintons at his wedding? This is why their downfall is imminent....

...for the record...Mueller was appointed over the past 30 years by 3 Republican Presidents – Ronald Reagan, George H.W Bush and George W Bush and appointed by briefly by Obama...



Can you please explain to us how Mueller can indict the President after he leaves office when Mueller's investigation is already closed and his mandate as Special investigator has ended I'll be waiting for your answer.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 6:01pm On Jul 24, 2019
TheShopKeeper:
...depending on which side of political affiliation...one thing is certain from the hearing asked by a republican congressman..."can the president be indicted after he left office...mueller said "yes" twice...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1154038990003036161

...Rep Buck was not ready for that answer, the first rule of law is to know the answer before you ask the question...Mueller said he would indict Trump when his term is over, that was damaging. This is why Trump keeps saying he may just stay in the WH indefinitely. He knows what’s going to happen when he leaves....of course Mueller will not contradict his report. He already said there was enough in the report to charge Trump when he leaves office....

...also the republicans strategy was to take Mueller down by linking his team to Clinton in order to defend a president that he employed people who donated to Hillary Clinton, played golf with Bill Clinton, and had the Clintons at his wedding? This is why their downfall is imminent....

...for the record...Mueller was appointed over the past 30 years by 3 Republican Presidents – Ronald Reagan, George H.W Bush and George W Bush and appointed by briefly by Obama...



Charged for what crime?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 6:19pm On Jul 24, 2019
This is the most stupid spin I have ever heard in my entire life. I now understand why slavery was so successful among blacks. Some are ready to make stupid excuses to justify their enslavement to whites.

Anduku:

If we are to take your logic then the makers of the popular Rocky Balboa movie were racist also since putting a black man versus white man is racism. In Rocky, the white man ends up beating the black man so the producers and Sylvester Stallone must be racist!


I mean why restrict it to just white and blacks? Why not include other races, like Arabs and Asians. At least we have 4 major races, namely white/Caucasian, Mongoloid/Asian, Negroid/Black, and Australoid right undecided



Now tell me, did rocky fight the black man because it was promoted as a fight between a white man and a black man?



our own samuel Peter must be a victim of racism for being made to fight and lose his belt to a white man, they should have made sure every other race is represented in that fight sad

Same stupid excuse as above. Was the fight a black vs white fight? Did IBF, WBF and other boxing federations organise their fights based on race? Is it not based on rankings?


Our female super falcons just got trashed 3:0 by the white Germans, who the hell were the racists who thought it was smart for whites to compete against blacks? FIFA must be racists!!

Same. The female world cup is based on country and not on race. The German team probably has some black players.

Sporting competition and all other type of competitions are based on country, location, individual skills and strengths, I have never seen any competition based on skin colour, except during slavery or apartheid.


How dare Hilary Clinton compete against Obama when she knows she is White and he is black? Hilary Clinton must be racist!!! I mean she could have made sure there were candidates from other races, like Arabs and Asians. At least we have 4 major races, namely white/Caucasian, Mongoloid/Asian, Negroid/Black, and Australoid right undecided

The Democratic party are also racist because they are allowing all these white candidates compete against Cory Booker and Kamala Harris. You know blacks can't compete against whites unless racism is involved right undecided

This is beyond ridiculous, This is pathetic!!!
You are now going from the ridiculous to insane. Was the democratic primaries only restricted to between Obama (black) and Clinton (white ), were there no other candidates in the contest? So US elections is now a competition between black and white. Probably that's the way Trump see it.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 6:25pm On Jul 24, 2019
stanech:


Could not have said it better

Mueller’s overall point: “We didn’t have enough to charge Trump with obstruction but we won’t exonerate him either”. Believe me if the Democrats had something on him he’d have been charged. What Mueller is doing is grandstanding... purely political. Sick guy.
That's not what miller said. Miller said "we are not allowed to indict a sitting president because of DOJ's guidelines, however we could not exonerate him on obstruction of justice, we can only forward our findings to congress to take further actions".

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Temple1288(m): 6:28pm On Jul 24, 2019
stanech:
Mueller needs to go back to law school. In America’s judicial system, no prosecutors ever, ever conclude innocence. They only decide guilt. Americans are presumed innocent if not found guilty!


Did you take the Mueller serious from the beginning?

Stanech, Mueller is incompetent even to Democrats!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 6:29pm On Jul 24, 2019
wirinet:
This is the most stupid spin I have ever heard in my entire life. I now understand why slavery was so successful among blacks. Some are ready to make stupid excuses to justify their enslavement to whites.



Now tell me, did rocky fight the black man because it was promoted as a fight between a white man and a black man?


Same stupid excuse as above. Was the fight a black vs white fight? Did IBF, WBF and other boxing federations organise their fights based on race? Is it not based on rankings?


Same. The female world cup is based on country and not on race. The German team probably has some black players.

Sporting competition and all other type of competitions are based on country, location, individual skills and strengths, I have never seen any competition based on skin colour, except during slavery or apartheid.

You are now going from the ridiculous to insane. Was the democratic primaries only restricted to between Obama (black) and Clinton (white ), were there no other candidates in the contest? So US elections is now a competition between black and white. Probably that's the way Trump see it.

All these gibberish you are writing is just a confirmation of how ridiculous your racism claims are. If all these contests were not racist because it was black vs white, how does Trump suggesting a contest between a team of blacks and a team of whites become racist? You have now seen how stupid it is to claim that organising a contest between blacks and whites is a racist thing. Stop crying wolf where there is none

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Temple1288(m): 6:30pm On Jul 24, 2019
Anduku:


Can you please explain to us how Mueller can indict the President after he leaves office when Mueller's investigation is already closed and his mandate as Special investigator has ended I'll be waiting for your answer.


He'd come out with some foōlish answer!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 6:34pm On Jul 24, 2019
wirinet:

That's not what miller said. Miller said "we are not allowed to indict a sitting president because of DOJ's guidelines, however we could not exonerate him on obstruction of justice, we can only forward our findings to congress to take further actions".
Hello, Mueller said they did not make any determination as regards obstruction. In other words, they didn't find him guilty or not guilty. He just reiterated it right now in the intelligence committee hearings I am watching live now. He even went out of his way to reject the characterisation of his comments by a democratic Congressman who said Trump would have been indicted were it not for the DOJ guidelines, he rejected that characterisation flatly just few minutes ago before the intelligence committee. He said clearly that he didn't make any determinations on the matter of obstruction

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 6:48pm On Jul 24, 2019
Anduku:

All these gibberish you are writing is just a confirmation of how ridiculous your racism claims are. If all these contests were not racist because it was black vs white, how does Trump suggesting a contest between a team of blacks and a team of whites become racist? You have now seen how stupid it is to claim that organising a contest between blacks and whites is a racist thing. Stop crying wolf where there is none
Who would compete in a competition based on race? Would you? What would be essence of such a competition? Racial bragging rights?
Have you ever seen a completion based on race outside apartheid South Africa?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 6:55pm On Jul 24, 2019
Anduku:

Hello, Mueller said they did not make any determination as regards obstruction. In other words, they didn't find him guilty or not guilty. He just reiterated it right now in the intelligence committee hearings I am watching live now. He even went out of his way to reject the characterisation of his comments by a democratic Congressman who said Trump would have been indicted were it not for the DOJ guidelines, he rejected that characterisation flatly just few minutes ago before the intelligence committee. He said clearly that he didn't make any determinations on the matter of obstruction

You are just going round in circles. Muller said he was acting under the DOJ'S guidelines, so it is not in his place to find the president guilty or not. He clearly said he did not and cannot make such determination. One thing he is sure of is that he did not exonerate the president of obstruction of justice, contrary to what the president is saying. His is sure that there was no collusion which was his chief mandate by the AG.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 7:01pm On Jul 24, 2019
wirinet:

That's not what miller said. Miller said "we are not allowed to indict a sitting president because of DOJ's guidelines, however we could not exonerate him on obstruction of justice, we can only forward our findings to congress to take further actions".

Rubbish
In the United States, a special counsel (formerly called special prosecutor or independent counsel) is a lawyer appointed to investigate, and potentially prosecute, a particular case of suspected wrongdoing for which a conflict of interest exists for the usual prosecuting authority.
Also
Mueller said the investigation did not establish that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia and the probe did not address 'collusion.


So what crime is Trump being charged for?


Pure Politics...

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 7:07pm On Jul 24, 2019
stanech:


Rubbish
In the United States, a special counsel (formerly called special prosecutor or independent counsel) is a lawyer appointed to investigate, and potentially prosecute, a particular case of suspected wrongdoing for which a conflict of interest exists for the usual prosecuting authority.
Also
Mueller said the investigation did not establish that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia and the probe did not address 'collusion.


So what crime is Trump being charged for?
I know you are far more intelligent than you are displaying here. Special council is very different from independent council. The main difference is in the word independent, meaning he is independent of the DOJ and any other US organisation. He can indict a sitting president and he can investigate any thing. Special council is under the DOJ and is guided by the AG. He cannot go outside the mandate he has been given.

And yes because his mandate to does not include obstruction of justice, he cannot make such determination. Meanwhile he cannot exonerate the president of obstruction of justice. Read between the lines.

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