But republicans governors are on record stating they’re getting all the help they need and the govt and FEMA are responsive to them

What do you y’all gain from such blatant lies. This is a level of mind numbing bold faced fvckery that I can’t comprehend nor will I try to because I don’t want my brain to shut down.

What’s y’all’s problem? Good lord!

bemeruca:
FEMA should be replaced

All the money goes into housing illegals while Americans in need get it as a loan.

Anything the democrats touch turns to shit
https://twitter.com/Flylittledoggie/status/1843250923583472116?t=k8bKcUjkh5uwAfMjntQCeA&s=19

cococandy:


It’s very unfortunate. I have family in Florida and I love to visit there. Would be sad to see what the aftermath will be to the beauty of that state.

But according to Ron & co, climate change is a woke ideology made up by snowflake liberals to convince them to give up their freedoms, sell their souls and become gay. Or something something. I don’t even know.

I just know that a lot of the damage will be terribly sad and utterly preventable.

I hope your family is doing ok and moved to safety. The way they are talking about it has me concerned.
And hurricane season isn't even over yet.
The US is going to have to have a real discussion about what this means. I pray there is no loss of life, but the economic damages are going to be extensive.

LordReed:


Are you forgetting that I also said the Allies saw it as murder?

I am not forgetting. It is the universal truth that makes the allies see it for what it is and it is also the universal truth they makes the Nazis want to hide it.

Again, have you witness where a baby was taught not to kill? It is alway the other way round. A baby is taught to kill.

Trump is a traitor.
And unfortunately for him, the US government should have all the intercepts of those calls.

Trump Secretly Stayed in Touch With Putin After Leaving Office, Book Says
A new book by the journalist Bob Woodward also reports that Donald J. Trump, while still in office, secretly sent Vladimir Putin what were then rare Covid-19 tests for the Russian’s leader’s personal use.

Former President Donald J. Trump has secretly spoken with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia as many as seven times since leaving office, even as he was pressuring Republicans to block military aid to Ukraine to fight Russian invaders, according to a new book by the journalist Bob Woodward.
...
The book also reports that Mr. Trump, while still in office early during the Covid-19 pandemic in 2020, secretly sent Mr. Putin what were then rare tests for the virus for the Russian’s personal use. Mr. Putin, who has been described as particularly concerned about being infected at the time, urged Mr. Trump to not publicly reveal the gesture because it could damage the American president politically. “I don’t want you to tell anybody because people will get mad at you, not me,” Mr. Putin reportedly told him.

Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/08/us/politics/trump-putin-woodward-book.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Qk4.Mb9L.RFIr_L4gfLG_&smid=url-share

cococandy:
But republicans governors are on record stating they’re getting all the help they need and the govt and FEMA are responsive to them

What do you y’all gain from such blatant lies. This is a level of mind numbing bold faced fvckery that I can’t comprehend nor will I try to because I don’t want my brain to shut down.

What’s y’all’s problem? Good lord!

Yeah right.

1) Just because you said it doesn’t make them true. Hunter’s laptop did what? What exactly is that statement. Is that a complete statement? Or you’re being ambiguous so I can fill in what you’re trying to say?

2) Babies aren’t being killed after they’re born as a form of birth control or for even any reason at all. No mom is changing her mind last minute after giving birth and decides “welp I changed my mind. Here you go doctor. Pls kill the baby”. And the doctor obliges. That mom, the doctor and all assisting staff would be in jail before the shift is over

Pls tell believable lies at least. These people can really get yall to believe anything. I don’t know how we got here but it needs to be studied by future generation of psychologists.

And now I remember afresh why I don’t even bother going back and forth with right wingers on the internet. Thanks for reminding me.

bemeruca:


60 minutes, fact heck, Trump on Hunter's laptop. They said it was a lie but it wasn't. Why should he go back?

During an ABC debate, he said a governor says they can kill the baby even when it is born on the topic of abortion. They fact-checked him, saying it was a lie, but what he said was true.

So a truth can change to a lie to the uninformed who rely on the media. When a truth is told and the media says it is a lie, the uninformed will believe the media.

IjeBos:


I hope your family is doing ok and moved to safety. The way they are talking about it has me concerned.
And hurricane season isn't even over yet.
The US is going to have to have a real discussion about what this means. I pray there is no loss of life, but the economic damages are going to be extensive.

Thank you.
They evacuated. Life will be spared so we’re thankful for living in a world where these things can be predicted by scientists and safety precautions implemented. Imagine the lives that would’ve been lost otherwise?

Yep. A lot of economic devastation but money can always be re-acquired and property can be rebuilt.

kkins25:

Not if the supposed guests are my own children, which I had to engage i coitus to create out of my will.

You know that not everyone engages in coitus with the goal of having a baby right?

Sure. But even if society turns a blind eye, nature will carry out its course. It's not society forcing her to, It's good-old mother nature.

A mother should be ready to take on the task. If she isn't then it shouldn't be forced.

Of course. However, the autonomy of the individual cannot supersede that of society. After all, as much of an introvert as I am, when I left Christianity, it was hell. And I'm able to survive because I found society in my nairalander folks and those online. Without society, the individual becomes insane.

Autonomy over ones body doesn't infringe on society's autonomy. I don't want to live in a society that wants to violate my bodily autonomy.



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https://www.routefifty.com/health-human-services/2019/12/pregnant-women-drug-use/161701/

Not sure what this has to do with it.

cococandy:

1) Just because you said it doesn’t make them true. Hunter’s laptop did what? What exactly is that statement. Is that a complete statement? Or you’re being ambiguous so I can fill in what you’re trying to say?

2) Babies aren’t being killed after they’re born as a form of birth control or for even any reason at all. No mom is changing her mind last minute after giving birth and decides “welp I changed my mind. Here you go doctor. Pls kill the baby”. And the doctor obliges. That mom, the doctor and all assisting staff would be in jail before the shift is over

Pls tell believable lies at least. These people can really get yall to believe anything. I don’t know how we got here but it needs to be studied by future generation of psychologists.

And now I remember afresh why I don’t even bother going back and forth with right wingers on the internet. Thanks for reminding me.

Go watch the 60minute interview. Trump talked about the Hunter laptop and Lesley keeps saying it was not verified. it was, Newpost Verified it and it was there for any media interested to verify it. what did they do? they covered it up and lie to the people it was Russian disinformation without verifying it.

trump said what the previous governor of West Virginia said and they fact checked him. saying it is a lie. this is what they fact checked Trump on.
who discusses or debates if a baby should be killed after delivery? So where is the lie from trump on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xD8cPgcZ3E

kkins25:

Not if the supposed guests are my own children, which I had to engage i coitus to create out of my will.

The supposed guests are not yet your own children, you are yet to meet them physically. I might not have engage in coitus out of my free will, my coitus might have been a result of rape, inebriation by alcohol or drugs, or share raw uncontrollable sex instincts taking control. Its not every time a woman engage in coitus that she will to get pregnant.

Sure. But even if society turns a blind eye, nature will carry out its course. It's not society forcing her to, It's good-old mother nature.

I don't understand. You mean nature is forcing a woman to have sex and then getting pregnant through hormones?

Of course. However, the autonomy of the individual cannot supersede that of society. After all, as much of an introvert as I am, when I left Christianity, it was hell. And I'm able to survive because I found society in my nairalander folks and those online. Without society, the individual becomes insane.

Agreed, but the imposition of millions of unwanted children is detrimental to society as a whole. Its leads to gradual erosion of the fabrics of society. This was why Rome imposed monogamous marriage where both parents are to raise their children upon its empire.

wirinet:

It's not the woman that puts the fetus in her body. it's as a result of sex, an instinct hard wired into our DNA through instinct.

I don't dehumanise human that dies in every abortion. I just see it as a non viable person. It was aborted because the woman does not want to carry, birth and care for a baby. The irony of this pro - anti abortion debate is that it is we pro abortionists that care most for the baby once it's born. We believe a baby should have the best care from the parents and society to live a meaningful life. Meanwhile, the concerns of anti abortionists stop at birth. It is depressing for me to see millions of parentless children roaming our streets.


I believe parents thar have children they can't cater for should be jailed, particularly those that abandon children to the streets. These children turn out to be menace to society and end up destroying or degrading the whole society.

Exactly....


Not all are capable of taking care of themselves let alone another... Better don't have them, if you can't care for them. Shikena

bemeruca:


I am not forgetting. It is the universal truth that makes the allies see it for what it is and it is also the universal truth they makes the Nazis want to hide it.

Again, have you witness where a baby was taught not to kill? It is alway the other way round. A baby is taught to kill.

Good. Understand that I was contrasting how both saw the same event differently to buttress my point about subjectivity. I was not endorsing genocide.

Babies will kill other living things not of their own species.

LordReed:


Good. Understand that I was contrasting how both saw the same event differently to buttress my point about subjectivity. I was not endorsing genocide.

Babies will kill other living things not of their own species.

We eat other living things. you are overreaching. Babies usually fear other living things, roaches, spiders, etc.

bemeruca:


Go watch the 60minute interview. Trump talked about the Hunter laptop and Lesley keeps saying it was not verified. it was, Newpost Verified it and it was there for any media interested to verify it. what did they do? they covered it up and lie to the people it was Russian disinformation without verifying it.

trump said what the previous governor of West Virginia said and they fact checked him. saying it is a lie. this is what they fact checked Trump on.
who discusses or debates if a baby should be killed after delivery? So where is the lie from trump on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xD8cPgcZ3E

Hunter's laptop was never verified. It can never be verified. The chain of custody has been broken.
Did Hunter have a laptop? Yes.
Is that the physical laptop the FBI has? Maybe.
Is every bit/byte of data on the laptop Hunter Biden's? That is unverifiable.
Some of the info on the Laptop was not originally on the laptop, someone put it on there after it left Hunter's possession.
No forensic analysis can be done that says the laptop is Hunter's as the chain of custody was broken.

You say you are in Tech. But every even a basically competent tech person understands the difference between a physical device and the data stored in it.
You deal in basic misinformation a rational tech person would understand.

What the experts found
In their examinations, Green and Williams found evidence that people other than Hunter Biden had accessed the drive and written files to it, both before and after the initial stories in the New York Post and long after the laptop itself had been turned over to the FBI.

Maxey had alerted The Washington Post to this issue in advance, saying that others had accessed the data to examine its contents and make copies of files. But the lack of what experts call a “clean chain of custody” undermined Green’s and Williams’s ability to determine the authenticity of most of the drive’s contents.

“The drive is a mess,” Green said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/

IjeBos:


Hunter's laptop was never verified. It can never be verified. The chain of custody has been broken.
Did Hunter have a laptop? Yes.
Is that the physical laptop the FBI has? Maybe.
Is every bit/byte of data on the laptop Hunter Biden's? That is unverifiable.
Some of the info on the Laptop was not originally on the laptop, someone put it on there after it left Hunter's possession.
No forensic analysis can be done that says the laptop is Hunter's as the chain of custody was broken.

You say you are in Tech. But every even a basically competent tech person understands the difference between a physical device and the data stored in it.
You deal in basic misinformation a rational tech person would understand.

that is disgraceful
then tell us why the government submitted it as evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGost-Df23w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO8qtkYaqrU&t=90s

cococandy:
Backing out of an interview because you’ll be fact checked is wild.

So we’re just okay accepting the right as the party of lies? Okay.

The correct word is alternative facts.

bemeruca:


We eat other living things. you are overreaching. Babies usually fear other living things, roaches, spiders, etc.

I am not. I am showing you just how subjective it all is. You kill other animals but if they kill a human you get angry, why? You have more value for a human than any other animal. Do you think animals should value members of their own species above humans?

bemeruca:


LordReed stop with this pettiness. You know how this forum is and if you cannot handle the energy here you can just watch. I don't expect this from you.

Someone saying your post is ridiculous is not attacking you. He is attacking your idea. You should not be arguing this

If it was our normal verbal sparring, I won't be bothered but this was supposed to be a polite conversation. Do you know me to be reticent about lobbing insults back at people on here. Even you can attest that I have done it to you. This was supposed to be different. Maybe I misplaced my expectations.

raumdeuter:


How is this different from what Xavier5 believes? Does this stop the person from being liberal?

I don't know what Xavier5 believes. But what I described does not stop a person from being liberal, and in fact shows a person is liberal.

Its like being liberal about homosexuality. One may not want to have same gender sex, but one can accept that others should have the right to be gay.

bemeruca:


that is disgraceful
then tell us why the government submitted it as evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGost-Df23w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO8qtkYaqrU&t=90s

The problem is you spend your life watching youtube videos, being told how to think.
Like Raumdeuter, you don't read and have 0 reference of the US court system.
You don't even seem to be a competent tech person. Not understanding data.

The laptop was admitted into evidence solely for a few documents they were verified.
The judge probably made a bad ruling as there should have been a forensic report filed authenticating the laptop. There wasn't.
The FBI agent testified that she didn't see any tempering, but she didn't even look and she has a small understanding of it.
She only looked at the documents she was given to look at.
Again, the laptop has not been fully verified. People can't even say that the info on the laptop didn't come from other places.

From Hunter Biden's attorney's cross examination of the FBI witness on the Stand at Hunter's Trial

Q. You have no reason to believe the time the FBI acquired the data from Apple, or what you just described, they changed any part of it, right?
A. Forensic examiners?
Q. Yes, the FBI, they didn’t change anything that you know of, did they?
A. No, I have a small basis of my understanding of how they work , I know they do a lot — they create images files of what would be considered the original data, so it doesn’t change the original data, but beyond that, I’m providing what I know.
Q. And the material that came into evidence that you discussed with Mr. Hines yesterday, as far as you know is the way the FBI obtained it?
A. Yes.
Q. And you indicated what you know about what they did with it, but you have no reason to believe the material that you just described yesterday, and I asked you about today, had been changed, altered, it was authentic as you understood it?
A. What I can speak to is when we obtain the data.
Q. Yes?
A. It was authentic from that point forward.
Q. And then when you provided it to us in discovery, discovery meaning you provided material to the defense, that’s the way it was sent, in the same way that you retrieved it?
A. My understanding is you received copies both of our extraction reports and of the full forensic images of the original data.
Q. I think you said, I don’t know that you identified, that as to the device, the laptop, it came into the possession of the government in December of 2019?
A. Yes.
Q. You understand that from the invoice that you showed about a repair shop that it was brought, according to the owner, in April of that year?
A. Yes. The invoice is dated in April.
Q. So can you tell what happened between the time the invoice indicates that device was brought to the shop and when the FBI acquired it six months later?
A. No.
Q. You are aware from your investigation that the person who claims to have gotten it in April indicates he made copies —
MR. HINES: Objection.
MR. LOWELL: I’ll withdraw the question.
THE COURT: Sustained.
BY MR. LOWELL: Q. Will you put up government Exhibit 40? So this is an invoice you identified yesterday, and I referred to, dated the 17th; right?
A. Yes.
Q. And you indicated that that’s one of the things you obtained from the data that was recovered and that was extracted and that you had reviewed?
A. Yes.
Q. And the date of this is the 17th; right?
A. The date of the e-mail is the 17th.
Q. But you know from your investigation that the person who sent this indicates that he got this device five days before?
A. I know from the investigation that yes, it was reported that it was April 12th.
Q. Do you have any notion of what happened in that device between April he 12th, where your investigation indicates that’s when the person acquired it, and April 17th when he sent the invoice?
A. I have some knowledge, but it’s through somebody else’s statements.
Q. So no firsthand knowledge?
A. No firsthand knowledge.
Q. Now, the last point on this. If the person acquired it in April, and the FBI says it acquired that in December, six months later, did your investigation indicate whether what was put on that machine in April was the way it was originally done by Hunter before then?
A. I’m sorry, ask that one more time.
Q. I didn’t say that right. Benchmarks. April 2019, the person says “I got the device.” Right?
A. Yes.
Q. December of 2019, the FBI acquires it?
A. Yes.
Q. What I’m asking is, did you do an analysis to determine whether on the date that this person says he got it, the data he got was in the format, content, or in any way what had originally been put there by Mr. Biden?
A. You’re asking if on the 12th the person that received it?
Q. I’m asking whatever that person got on the 12th, was the way it was originally put, do you know? Did you do an analysis? Did you find out whether any of the files had been tampered with, added to, or subtracted?
A. I did not. Right, I did not.

Xavier5:


I mentioned child healthcare and welfare systems. With such, if a woman is known to be a drug addict, the government steps in to prevent her from doing that with the needed policies and healthcare.

And when she gives birth and it is determined that she can't cater for that child, then the well funded orphanage system comes in to cater for the child. If there's a relative that's willing to shoulder that responsibility, then the child can be handed over to them. If money is the issue for the relatives, then the well funded child support system comes in.

But I also emphasized the allowance of temporal pro-choice until the mentioned system, which I personally call the Abortion Mitigating System aka AMS, is effectively established.


#Xavier

Prevent her how exactly? What if she is not known to be an addict? And what about those addicts who knowing that the government 'steps in' won’t go and see a doctor? Don’t you think your ideas will increase the number of women who hide their pregnancies to dump the baby later in the trash?

What if a woman, out of shame or because of pressure or whatever reason, decides to keep the child she wanted to abort but couldn’t, maltreats it because the child is not wanted?

Well-funded orphanage? How much money is a government willing to spend on unwanted children when even the school system is underfunded? How many workers will be in charge of how many children?

Xavier5:


If you even took your time to read my write-ups, I made it clear that despite the existence of the universal intrinsic knowing of the intrinsic value of human life, ......

As soon as I read, "the universal intrinsic knowing", which you haven't bothered to show exists, my mind just shuts down to whatever follows, because its like asking me to join in a venture with you that relies on hot water being 0⁰C.

Just saying. And I doubt I'm the only one.