Anas09:

He broke, died and i buried him there, never to exist in the midst of the living ever.

ScienceWatch:
Therefore, you admit that your deity known as No-god also exit, but atheists are ashamed to speak of him, instead they froth at the mouth and mock a God they all agree do not exist.
BUTTERFLYLEO must be commended for the dignified manner in which he dismantled the very foundations of Atheism.

flamingREED:


I didn't know such a woe befell his dammed soul,
I might have saved my energy since.

Butterflyleo:


He believes some demons are dead people yet he is an atheist.

Butterflyleo:


You want to use me to regain relevance? Not gonna happen.

So I should suddenly see you as important enough to loose sleep over?

You are yet to gather every single fragment of your broken mirror. Focus on that and then get the right glue that would make the cracks no longer visible.

budaatum:

He never meant it. How can one ask a thread be ignored but call in all those you want to notice it?

The thread itself was bait to drag his cohorts out of the woodwork. Even long lost Sciencewatch has turned up to ignore the thread and I wouldn't be surprised to see kingebukasblog turn up to ignore it too at some point.

Butterflyleo:


Morality isn't set in stone simply means it holds no foundation so ISNT SUSTAINABLE and can be altered AS THE SITUATION DEMANDS and this is why a homosexual who cannot practice it in Nigeria would fly to another country where it is legal and do so but come back to Nigeria and pretend that he isn't gay.

Butterflyleo:


Morality isn't predetermined because man came before it. First you say it isn't fixed and is fluid next you say it is not able to be changed when it changes from society to society and Individual to individual. Its clear to see all over the world which is why we have sadists, rapists, serial killers, shooters, poachers, human rights abusers etc in every society. That is why laws are even broken because morality IS ALTERED individually to suit our comfort individually which unfortunately could also be against the law.





It can be circumvented and done legally. I can take advantage of my fundamental rights and my respect for the fundamental rights of others which is why it was HIDDEN in the first place. Location and non proximity to human population could be my crack in the wall of the moral law of the land.

Besides a certain member of the Royal family in Saudi Arabia Prince Adel Al-Otaibi was arrested some time ago for trafficking pork meat in Israel. He was supposed to have a moral foundation in Saudi Arabia but his INDIVIDUAL COMFORT prevailed and he left Saudi for Israel to embark on what is prohibited in his own country which he should be upholding as a member of the royal family.

This further shows that your claim that morality cannot be changed is erroneous and INDIVIDUALS do so all the time simply because they have no foundation to theirs and like you, are being subjective about it.

By the way, pork trafficking is also illegal in Israel and only acceptable by law in the Christian minority but he not only broke the already known laws in Israel for his own INDIVIDUAL moral comfort but probably also went near Christians to get supplies which also went against his religious morality and made him also focus on his INDIVIDUAL comfort.

Butterflyleo:


The title says atheism and not atheist. So where did I mention you in the title as you alleged?

ATHEISM is a worldview

ATHEIST is A PERSON who has that worldview

So where did I mention you?

shaybebaby:

No, you must also love the lady to be able to critique another professing his love.

MuttleyLaff:
What a travesty
On so many levels, you still havent the foggiest.
Aint that a shame and sight to see. SMH

Considering the build up and circumstances that led to the drastic measure now put up as exhibits in the public gallery of this kangaroo court,
it would not be condemned nor condoned

I have made the point numerously earlier, that in Lagos metropolis, you cant be doing "ajebutter" or forming phonetics with area boys,
because area boys only understand you, when you speak their language.
In this matter of contention, in order to subdue, some "area boys" languages, like how used in this case, are better understood than other form of languages

This "area boys" language, is a necessary evil, to serve as a deterrent
and intending to discourage anyone else, nursing the pleasure of wanting, in a deliberate and unprovoked manner, to run wild with their mouths

No one is mentioning that, the consequences of intentionally disregarding or not paying attention to the advanced warning, was in no small terms, spelt out.

Tell me budaatum:
"shey iwo le la oju sile, ki talubo ko wo?"
loosely translated means
"Would you leave your eyes wide open, without blinking to allow dust specks blow in to them?"

Who is at fault, if someone had given me an advanced warning and made me aware of the danger of ignoring the warning
but I made a conscious decision and chose to take off my clothes, jump and dive straight into this tricky and dangerous situation?

johnydon22:


I actually love the thread, it accuses atheists of something and ends up showing the accusers are actually the culprits

ScienceWatch:
Correct. But unfortunately these atheists don't have the intelligence to understand what you wrote here.

ScienceWatch:
It is checkmate. Though I must admit that BudaAtum is the most advanced atheist here.

Anas09:

Like i care? I give no shiittt.

ScienceWatch:
Wow BUTTERFLYLEO, that was Checkmate !!!!!!! We all agree that your post deserve an award.

POST OF THE WEEK goes to BUTTERFLYLEO.

Butterflyleo:


You are still not getting it.

People make the law effective or not.

The reason why we have criminals is simply because PEOPLE SEEK THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL LEVELS OF MORALITY which despite it being against the moral laws of the society, THEY STILL GO AGAINST IT FOR SAKE OF THEIR INDIVIDUAL COMFORT.

I am not arguing against morality but showing you how easily people personalise it thereby making it subjective and thus making them criminals.

My point is that subjective morality is individualized and when push comes to shove would not care about the moral laws of the land but if they can be circumvented or taken advantage of, then their comfort INDIVIDUALLY comes first and not the laws of whatever land.

Talking about Saudi or no Saudi I am not arguing about what can or cannot be done there, I simply showed you how subjective morality holds no foundation because it is selfish and self determinable depending on ones needs and how pressing they are.

You are actually the one confusing yourself in all this.

Your definition for subjective morality is wider than you originally thought and the mere fact that it is subjective clearly shows you that IT IS PERSONAL and not necessarily societal.

budaatum:

So, morality is subjective, as in, it is 'in the eye of the beholder'?

dalaman:


Morality is subjective itself that is why it is NOT the same all over the world. It is a criminal offense to own and rear pigs in Saudi Arabia bit it is not the same in Texas in the United states, that alone shows that morality is subjective, if morality were objective all moral principles will be obtained and applied the same way throughout the world.

Moral values are NOT the same the world over and are subjective because each societies have different moral values and see things differently.

It has nothing to do with personal or individual preference. No matter how much you want to rape you can not do it legally in most societies.

But I can marry 4 women in Kano state in Nigeria, something that I can never do legally and.morally in Sweden.

Subjective morality is NOT individualized because morality it self is subjective that is why it varies from society to society and in time in history, what is wrong in society A might be right in society B and what is wrong 50 years ago might be right today. That is what makes morality subjective and not your unnecessary commentary that is neither here nor there.

Vinstel:
I don't even waste my time arguing with atheists. I tell them the truth and leave them to do whatever they will with it.

Anas09:

Like i care? You of all people should have known me by now. I give no shiittt.

If you lots don't come at me, you won't exist. You guys are dead already anyways, so what has the living got to do with the dead?

Keep being blind to all the insults he hauls at me, but magnify what i say. I don't care boy.

budaatum:

Ahh, butter, I'm here now, so let's not get stuck in the subjectivity of some ancient people.

Evolve Butterflyleo! Evolve!

Butterflyleo:


Why do you rape common sense so abusively?

INDIVIDUALS MAKE UP SOCIETIES AND LAWS ARE MADE BY THOSE INDIVIDUALS FOR THEIR SOCIETIES AND NOT SOCIETIES MAKING THE LAWS FOR SOCIETIES.

THIS IS WHY MORALITY IS INDIVIDUALIZED BASED ON SUBJECTIVITY!

You cannot say subjectivity isn't personal when even the definition clearly says so

subjective
adjective
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.


subjectivity
noun
the quality of being based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

Are you trying to rewrite the dictionary with your denial of the rather obvious truth regarding subjective morality?

WHAT CAME FIRST? PEOPLE OR SOCIETY?

WHO MAKE UP SOCIETIES? PEOPLE OR SOCIETIES?

WHO MAKES THOSE MORAL LAWS IN THE SOCIETY? INDIVIDUALS OR SOCIETY?

Every so called law begins with the INDIVIDUAL and not the society. There is ALWAYS an INITIATIOR and that INITIATOR is ALWAYS an INDIVIDUAL and that is why subjective morality IS PERSONAL and INDIVIDUALIZED.

Keep denying what even kids know is true.

MuttleyLaff:
https://www.nairaland.com/4538134/mental-disorder-called-atheism-must/1#68117888
johnydon22 who do think is jivving first and stirring up the hornets' nest in the above link?

I think you should take it upon yourself to watch out for these guys
so to be warning them when they undertake risky and/or daring course of action(s)

They first bait, by inciting someone to do something or respond to hostile remarks
but then cry blue murder when they get a heavy-handed retaliation back

Butterflyleo:


Not from my standpoint it is not. That is why Christianity is against subjectivity because morality should have a general foundation worldwide and it is only when it is so that we can actually talk about being completely right or completely wrong because we cannot be that way if we are right in one country and wrong in another. That is not a good litmus test for righteousness so we as Christians work with Objective morality where the foundation is ONE.

Anas09:

It's the same demonic activities working inside of you we talking about. If you don't repent they'd keep doing it. Just a concerned warning.

You can't be so demonically bitter and not poison and kill things around you. Ask him he knows what i'm talking about John.

johnydon22:


You don't expect me to read every comment here, do you?

I skip through and read only ones from monikers I'm interested in.

I and Anas friend outside nairaland so imagine my disappointment seeing her in such puerile mud.

I didn't see Frank's comment but non the less saying he killed his wife is inconsiderate, insensitive and wicked.

Now I have seen the comment in the link you shared, you can compare both?

All Anas did (so called retaliation) was affirm his judgement by throwing out such blatantly insensitive comment that I still maintain is wicked and dark..

flamingREED:


If you look to the heavens tonite, you'll see Venus planet shinning very bright towards the sunset, between castor and pollux in Gemini ; Jupiter is bright too at about mid-east.

If you look South you'll see alpha and Beta centuaris and the Southern crux. Jupiter forms a triangle with Arcturus and Spica.

Jupiter is slightly within Libra constellation while the great Antares is right beneath in the neck of Scorpio. Now, tonite alone I've viewed two wandering stars, and wished they struck you dead.

You see, the days sweet heaven will no more be over you are at hand!

dalaman:


Moral laws and values are set by the society and not determined by a single individual that is why no matter how much you want to marry 4 wives you can not do it in Sweden.

We ate talking about subjective morality and I have already defined it for you. Subjective morality does NOT mean you have the right to do what ever you want as you LIED. That is not what it means, it simply means morality varies from society to society and is not set in stone. Morality is not objective if it is there will be universal acceptance and all moral values will come about the same way and be accepted by all.

The fact that you can marry 4 wives in Kano legally and morally and can not do same in Sweden shows that morality itself is subjective.

What have you been on about sef? That morality is objective? You always love blabbing that atheist believe in subjective morality bla bla bla.

How have you shown that morality is not subjective? Is morality objective? Show us how morality is objective or just keep quiet.

superhumanist:



How can christianity be against subjectivity when

1. There are many versions of christianity?

2. Christianity itself is a tug of war between old testament and new testament laws?

3. That old testament laws are cherry picked? They don't stone homosexuals but we like the 10 commandments




Considering point number 1, who are you to speak on christianity? Even reverend fathers who have to go through serious theology in the seminary will tell you that morality changes. Then, a mushroom church follower wants to speak with authority on morality.

crazy butterfly!

superhumanist:



How can christianity be against subjectivity when

1. There are many versions of christianity?

2. Christianity itself is a tug of war between old testament and new testament laws?

3. That old testament laws are cherry picked? They don't stone homosexuals but we like the 10 commandments




Considering point number 1, who are you to speak on christianity? Even reverend fathers who have to go through serious theology in the seminary will tell you that morality changes. Then, a mushroom church follower wants to speak with authority on morality.

crazy butterfly!

Butterflyleo:


You will not bait me into an argument about subjectivity and objectivity.

Listen carefully since you fail to reason logically as you should.

You say morality is set by society right? And I asked you, WHO MAKES UP THE SOCIETY? IS IT NOT INDIVIDUALS?

Before those laws are set, WHO INTRODUCES THEM? Is it not individuals?

"Society" is not a living thing. Humans in that society are the living things.

Individuals present INDIVIDUAL ideas of morality before any is adopted by a society. THE SOURCE FOR SUCH MORAL THOUGHT OR MORAL ADOPTIONS COME FROM INDIVIDUALS.

This is common sense.