ElRazur:

Once again biasses rears it ugly face among the usual suspect. A link showing "unarmed" civilians attacking the task force who boarded the ship is ignored, while a news link painting the story of humanitarian aid is swiftly posted.


Gosh.

"Unarmed civilians" appears to have stun grenade, Petrol bomb, Guns and other sort of weapon.

Man, you gotta love the forum here. How some folks do it is just amazing.

Wonderful, so you expect the world to believe the footage showed by Israel?

Why didn't they start filming when they got to the ship?

Why determined what was removed and what was left in the footage.

Every message has a creator and until you understand the creator of that message and the motive behind the message you will never understand the message.

ElRazur:

Once again biasses rears it ugly face among the usual suspect. A link showing "unarmed" civilians attacking the task force who boarded the ship is ignored, while a news link painting the story of humanitarian aid is swiftly posted.


Gosh.

"Unarmed civilians" appears to have stun grenade, Petrol bomb, Guns and other sort of weapon.
Man, you gotta love the forum here. How some folks do it is just amazing.

Please must you go any length jst to defend evil. Are you forming your own news or the same news as portrayed buy BBC and CNN. I never read any news that suggested the Civilians were carrying  Grenade,petrol bombs. What other sort of weapons are you talking abt man, they got no names?

edoyad:

Gullibility is a biatch, you actually believe armed people with intent to kill would be raided by commandoes and none of the commandoes would be dead ? No suicide bombing, nothing ? You must be kidding me.

Gullibility? Who is really being gullible here. Are you attempting to suggest that because there was no fatality on the Isreali side then they must have fired first? Why suicide bombs? Would it interest you to know that 10 Isreali's were injured, 1 critically. Does that sound better?

We still do not know exactly what happened and I for one will wait until the dramatisation has died down before drawing any conclusions.
I find it unusual that with so many journalists onboard, and with live streaming from the ships that there are no suitable video accounts of the initial confrontation from those on the ship. There is a short clip from the bbc which I think came from a Turkey TV network showing an Isreali navy personel being attacked with iron rods as he roped down from a helicopter. I want to know how those 10/19 people died. Surely someone on the ships must have footage.

this has been going on for soo long, but the truth is palestinians cannot be trusted, so i dont blame the isreali government at all, but this is stepping a bit too far, when did it turn to this?? i mean is this barbarian behavoir not the reason for isreal refusing to back down on gaza in the first place?? they are turning into serious hypocrites now its hard to support them!

@texazzpete


The aid will go through, but not until a search or at least EM scan is done.

Ambulances, food aids, charities et al have all been fronts for smuggling arms into Gaza, and it is understandable as to why they tend to use a heavy approach with things coming through.

Also, I stated before that the whole operation is not because of the people of Gaza, more like to make a propaganda coup, which they have managed very well. Heck, in flying colours against Israel in my opinion.

Afam:

Wonderful, so you expect the world to believe the footage showed by Israel?

Why didn't they start filming when they got to the ship?

Why determined what was removed and what was left in the footage.

Every message has a creator and until you understand the creator of that message and the motive behind the message you will never understand the message.

Wonderful what? Oh boy, believe what you want. From the images captured and shown, it is clear to see "unarmed" civilians acting as aggressors. That is the point, which as usual, you will miss.

Filming usually start from the beginning of an operation. The footage are later removed and analysed.

Like I said, the image was shown in quick time - I.e the part needed to highlight their point of how they were attacked by so called "unarmed" civilians was shown.

Like your message do right? Ignoring that the so called civilians were armed? How many civilians goes about with a stun grenade and what not? Yeah I thought so. Gosh. How many ships carrying "aids" have weapons on them? Or better still why fire at Military convoy? It ain't so hard to ask certain question you see.

princekevo:

Please must you go any length jst to defend evil. Are you forming your own news or the same news as portrayed buy BBC and CNN. I never read any news that suggested the Civilians were carrying  Grenade,petrol bombs. What other sort of weapons are you talking abt man, they got no names?

I am not defending anything.

I am merely moving away from the news doing rounds so far. Watch the link posted by IDF on youtube. It is clear to see that the civilians were armed.

Nah wah o.


Look read my views in foreign section if you want.

Israel was heavy handed. The ship was wrong in my opinion to try and by pass the right protocols, after all, Charities, ambulances et al have all been used in the past to smuggle weapon.

And for those attacking the IDF who boarded the ship, it is nothing but a stupid thing to do in my opinion.

Just to add one thing over legality. i have been informed that the Isreali's had a legal right to board the ships.

SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT

Neutral merchant vessels

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce

Mariory:

Just to add one thing over legality. i have been informed that the Isreali's had a legal right to board the ships.
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce

Nice one man.

I have raised this issue in foreign section, and after reading around. I concluded that it is legal. After all, Iran boarded a US boat as they see it as a threat, even though it was in international waters. UK border patrol regularly board ships and what not in international waters too. But I guess a different kind of law applies to Israel. 

None of our concern.

Israel is surrounded by Muslim terrorist so what do you expect them to do?

Humanitarian aid could be another form of the shipment of weapons into Gaza.

paddy_lo:

[b]@AFAM.EYODAD. . ALL THE MISGUIDED SUPPORTERS

People in the Palestinian territories have a substantially higher life expectancy than Turks, 73.4 years for Palestineans and only 71.8 years for Turks. Perhaps this "aid flotilla" should have stayed in Turkey?Afterall.

Here's a list of life expectancy by country for 2010. Similar figures are given by the UN and others:

109 Hungary 73.69 2010 est.
110 Gaza Strip 73.68 2010 est.
111 Malaysia 73.55 2010 est.

[url]https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2102.html?countryName=&countryCode=®ionCode=r[/url]
MeanWhile average life expectancy in SSAfrica is 51.5 years,

I swear the day Black ppl mind their business and only go for their economic interests
the day they will start to advance economically. . .

U guys are there worrying about gaza,and turkey. . meanwhile this is just a publicity stunt
as ppl in Gaza have higher life expectancy than in turkey or Africa,so why didnt they send those goods to darfur or turkey
Nonsense[/b]

You are so right in your analysis. Most Nigerians have an identity crisis (nice way of saying inferiority complex) that makes them "know" more about foreigners than they know about themselves. We laugh at Zimbabwe (but the average Zimbabwean is better off and more educated than the average Nigerian); we know about Chelsea and Arsenal, but little or nothing about who plays for Eyimba. . . As you pointed out, life expectancy in Gaza is 73.68, in Nigeria it is 46.94.

I bet the Muslims in the north are starting to get riled up. . . Even though the people of that region do not give a damn about them.

EzeUche:

None of our concern.

Israel is surrounded by Muslim terrorist so what do you expect them to do?

Humanitarian aid could be another form of the shipment of weapons into Gaza.

I wonder who you dont dislike in this world.

I think it was Golda Meir that once said ", there will be peace in the middle east, as soon as palestinians love their children as much as they hate the israelis!"
i';m still hopin the palestinians will see the sense in this.

FL Gators:

I wonder who you dont dislike in this world.

I don't dislike women. I love them all no matter what race or ethnicity.

EzeUche:

I don't dislike women. I love them all no matter what race or ethnicity.

Well, I saw that coming. . . .

spot on paddy_lo you absolutely right! but where theres religion theres preducial interest! Shame on you all

I have always said Isreal of today is a STATE TERRORIST that thinks it can, and is used to, act(ing) with impunity.

They have no rights and no grounds to board a ship in international waters and shoot 10 people dead.

If the ship was in Isreali waters and they board and were attacked with soft weapons then they may have a little mouth.

But they attacked the ship in INTERNATIONAL WATERS, hence the occupants HAVE A RIGHT TO ATTACK them, albeit with inferior weapons.

They continue to let people in Gaza live under miserable conditions in a large prison.

Now they will come on TV and start speaking useless PR grammar.

THEY ATTACKED PEOPLE that were not militants on INTERNATIONAL WATERS and killed them. CRIME!

Ok I recieved some new information. This may be inaccurate though.

5 of the 6 humanitarian ships complied with the Isreali Navy request and were then being diverted to an Isreali port without being boarded. The main ship where all the trouble happened refused and was then boarded. The rest right now is history. Death toll is now being revised to at least 9 dead.

Sagamite:

I have always said Isreal of today is a STATE TERRORIST that thinks it can, and is used to, act(ing) with impunity.

They have no rights and no grounds to board a ship in international waters and shoot 10 people dead.

If the ship was in Isreali waters and they board and were attacked with soft weapons then they may have a little mouth.

But they attacked the ship in INTERNATIONAL WATERS, hence the occupants HAVE A RIGHT TO ATTACK them, albeit with inferior weapons.

They continue to let people in Gaza live under miserable conditions in a large prison.

Now they will come on TV and start speaking useless PR grammar.

THEY ATTACKED PEOPLE that were not militants on INTERNATIONAL WATERS and killed them. CRIME!

Incorrect. The ships were on target to break a blockade (this was well publicised by the mission itself). And as such, international law allows for the ship to be boarded.

Mariory:

Incorrect. The ships were on target to break a blockade (this was well publicised by the mission itself). And as such, international law allows for the ship to be boarded.

Sorry, what do you mean by on target?

International law requires you comply with Isreali laws and oppression in international waters?

paddy_lo:

[b]@AFAM.EYODAD. . ALL THE MISGUIDED SUPPORTERS

People in the Palestinian territories have a substantially higher life expectancy than Turks, 73.4 years for Palestineans and only 71.8 years for Turks. Perhaps this "aid flotilla" should have stayed in Turkey?Afterall.

Here's a list of life expectancy by country for 2010. Similar figures are given by the UN and others:

109 Hungary 73.69 2010 est.
110 Gaza Strip 73.68 2010 est.
111 Malaysia 73.55 2010 est.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2102.html?countryName=&countryCode=&regionCode=r
MeanWhile average life expectancy in SSAfrica is 51.5 years,

I swear the day Black ppl mind their business and only go for their economic interests
the day they will start to advance economically. . .

U guys are there worrying about gaza,and turkey. . meanwhile this is just a publicity stunt
as ppl in Gaza have higher life expectancy than in turkey or Africa,so why didnt they send those goods to darfur or turkey
Nonsense[/b]

What exactly are you doing on this thread if you believed what you just wrote above. This smells like unadulterated hypocrisy.

Beaf:

You are so right in your analysis. Most Nigerians have an identity crisis (nice way of saying inferiority complex) that makes them "know" more about foreigners than they know about themselves. We laugh at Zimbabwe (but the average Zimbabwean is better off and more educated than the average Nigerian); we know about Chelsea and Arsenal, but little or nothing about who plays for Eyimba. . . As you pointed out, life expectancy in Gaza is 73.68, in Nigeria it is 46.94.

Another hypocrisy being displayed here. Why don't you restrict your comments to those concerning Nigerians? Why is it that some Nigerians who usually are guilty of one thing or the other will be the first to accuse others?

You relax in foreign lands and tell us what to discuss and what not to discuss.

Here we go again. Animosity, bad belle, generalisation, hypocrisy, irony, double standards, bickering, sidelining issues at hand are the order of the day. **Insert roll eye smiley here**

Gosh I'm not a religious person, but looking up Matthew 7:3 may help.

Sagamite:

Sorry, what do you mean by on target?

International law requires you comply with Isreali laws and oppression in international waters?

What I meant by on target is that the point of the flotilla was to break a naval blockade.
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As far as international law there is no need to be condesending. It is written for all to read.

SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT

Neutral merchant vessels

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce

Mariory:

What I meant by on target is that the point of the flotilla was to break a naval blockade.

And that gives you the right to go to international waters and shoot them?

Mariory:

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As far as international law there is no need to be condesending. It is written for all to read.http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce

I will question whether that term "blockade" applies to Isreal's unjust blockade of Gaza.

Unjust as in being too tight and being used as collective punishment tool more than it is being used as protection from attacks.

Clearly the view held by many here shows they believe Israel was well within it's rights in carrying out that raid in such a manner, on a civilian vessel. Well it's a good thing we're all entitled to our opinions.
@paddylo, do you know the life expectancy of many prisoners in the developed world is more than that of a lot of less developed countries ? I guess prisoners in Germany and Sweden are better off than i am then. It is this kind of systematic oppression and double standards that keep many African countries in a pit while more advanced economies continue to justify their discriminatory agenda. A few decades ago it was black south Africans that were savages, today Aboriginal Australians and Palestinians are the criminals, wonder who it'll be tomorrow. While i'm not saying the oppressed groups themselves are blameless, don't paint every one in the group with one brush.

Good work from Israel IDF,
I like how IDF killed those Moslem Terrorist that disguised themselves as humanitarian workers.

Sagamite:

And that gives you the right to go to international waters and shoot them?

I will question whether that term "blockade" applies to Isreal's unjust blockade of Gaza.

Unjust as in being too tight and being used as collective punishment tool more than it is being used as protection from attacks.

Look fact is there was a Naval blockade and the ships set out to break that blockade. This was the mission of the ships themselves. Therefore the Isreali's have acted legally according to international law in boarding the ship in question.

Now as to what actaully happened that led to the deaths of those 9/10/16/19 (according to different news articles) people, no one actually knows the real story yet. No one even knows the identity of the deceased people yet.

edoyad:

@paddylo, do you know the life expectancy of many prisoners in the developed world is more than that of a lot of less developed countries ? I guess prisoners in Germany and Sweden are better off than i am then.

Actually they are because they have access to basic amenities tht you don't unless ofcourse you belong to the upper/upper middle class or the emerging middle class of Nigerian society. In which case, your life expectancy will probably be comparable to theirs.

Mariory:

Look fact is there was a Naval blockade and the ships set out to break that blockade. This was the mission of the ships themselves. Therefore the Isreali's have acted legally according to international law in boarding the ship in question.

Now as to what actaully happened that led to the deaths of those 9/10/16/19 (according to different news articles) people, no one actually knows the real story yet. No one even knows the identity of the deceased people yet.

I was scratching my head, wondering how a nation can justify, under international laws, the legitimacy to attack a ship it is aware the occupants are:

1) Unarmed

2) Not an immediate and/or uncontrolable threat to the nation

So I checked the link you provided. It says the following are exempted from attacks:

(ii) vessels engaged in humanitarian missions, including vessels carrying supplies indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, and vessels engaged in relief actions and rescue operations;
(d) vessels engaged in transporting cultural property under special protection;
(e) passenger vessels when engaged only in carrying civilian passengers;
(f) vessels charged with religious, non-military scientifc or philanthropic missions, vessels collecting scientific data of likely military applications are not protected;

Especially vessels like this in INTERNATIONAL waters that have notified in advance of their intention, not acting stealthly.

I dont know why some folks here supporting israel.the incident happened in international waters and israel dont have jurisdiction to that regard.the attack has been widely condemned and israel should be made for the crime.

~Bluetooth:

I dont know why some folks here supporting israel.the incident happened in international waters and israel dont have jurisdiction to that regard.the attack has been widely condemned and israel should be made for the crime.

You don't know why? I will let you know.

1. Religious bigotry

2. Hate for Islam

3. hate for Arabs

4. Blind support for anything US or Israel

5. Other irrelevant issues they cling on to justify the hate filled positions where murder of unarmed civilians are supported.