Beaf:

I never said the UN was passing a resolution.

Turkey or Israel write a draft statement for the UN Security Council? What are you talking about?
I like to believe we have an understanding of how the UN deals with issues. Do you realise that the UN Security Council is holding an emergency meeting as we speak?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9117a738-6d15-11df-921a-00144feab49a.html

Dude you posted a quote from a draft text as the UN position on the matter to demonstrate that the UN agrees with you in condeming Israel (and therefore you are not anti-semetic). I was pointing out that draft texts do not represent the UN's position.

If these bunch of foolish Hamas supporters were truly humanitarian groups, they should have no problem sailing to the seaports as directed by Israel. Instead they chose to burst a naval blockade and should rightfully bear the brunt of their silly actions. If I were the Israelis, all the ships that constituted the so-called humanitarian flotilla should have been sunk.

Tudór:

slowpoke, where did the UN high commissioner ask daft questions like the thrash u posted?

ask smart questions, and if you're mentally challenged no one would take offense but it becomes a problem wen u try to pass off your stupidity as intelligence.

Inadequate people are quick to call others mentally challenged. You sound so much like another one of my "smart" footmats.

Ok, so the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights is not an anti-Semite in your foolish books? Thank goodness! But what do you say about the Secretary General? He condemned Israel and he wasn't simply asking questions?

International leaders also spoke out harshly. UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said, “I am shocked by reports of killing of people in boats carrying supply to Gaza. I heard the ships were in international waters. That is very bad.” He called for a “thorough investigation.”

-Ban Ki Moon

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=177063

Israeli navy signals the ship to let it know it is approaching a military zone and that it should follow instructions to land at Ashdod. The ship's response is apparently "Negative" "Negative"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jDIQr59Sk&feature=related

Mariory:

Dude you posted a quote from a draft text as the UN position on the matter to demonstrate that the UN agrees with you in condeming Israel (and therefore you are not anti-semetic). I was pointing out that draft texts do not represent the UN's position.

Jesus!
I did not quote a draft UN text; I quoted a news article from the BBC. The BBC reporter had been speaking to diplomats at the UN. Surely the link is there for you to click on?
The anti-semitic thing came from Tudor, not you. You and I have been civil to each other.

Mariory:

Israeli navy signals the ship to let it know it is approaching a military zone and that it should follow instructions to land at Ashdod. The ship's response is apparently "Negative" "Negative"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jDIQr59Sk&feature=related

They were right to answer "negative", because they were in international waters. Israel does not own international waters, so it has committed quite a serious crime.

Beaf:

Jesus!
I did not quote a draft UN text; I quoted a news article from the BBC. The BBC reporter had been speaking to diplomats at the UN. Surely the link is there for you to click on?
The anti-semitic thing came from Tudor, not you. You and I have been civil to each other.

Ah I see. Apologies, my mistake.

Beaf:

They were right to answer "negative", because they were in international waters. Israel does not own international waters, so it has committed quite a serious crime.

Err no Israel does not own international waters but, the ship in question had already very well publicised it's intended destination. Plus the ship was on a specific heading. Approaching a cordoned military zone and refusing to alter course and follow the instructions of the enforcing Navy means you are asking for military action.

In boarding the ship, Israel acted in accordance with principles guiding naval conflict so no crime there.

Beaf:

Inadequate people are quick to call others mentally challenged. You sound so much like another one of my "smart" footmats.

Ok, so the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights is not an anti-Semite in your foolish books? Thank goodness! But what do you say about the Secretary General? He condemned Israel and he wasn't simply asking questions?

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=177063

*YAWN*

I do not see daft questions like yours in that statement. . . .

I don't see why this should generate traffic or even be on the homepage . why can't we care less and focus more on Nigerian problems?

Tudór:

*YAWN*

I do not see daft questions like yours in that statement. . . .

==Ignores a fool==

Mariory:

Err no Israel does not own international waters but, the ship in question had already very well publicised it's intended destination. Plus the ship was on a specific heading. Approaching a cordoned military zone and refusing to alter course and follow the instructions of the enforcing Navy means you are asking for military action.

In boarding the ship, Israel acted in accordance with principles guiding naval conflict so no crime there.

I think you have hit the nail on the head! There are rules of engagement in armed conflict; response must be proportionate. Those were civilian boats and that is why there is such an outcry from World leaders and diplomats. Israel has really put its foot in it this time; I don't see an easy way out. Compensation will be paid in millions and massive concessions will be made on the political front. No two ways!

If the Israeli army had attacked fellow Israeli's with helicopter borne commando's, there would have been a strong outcry from the World, but it would have been tempered to an extent by the fact the it was an internal matter. However, attacking a multi-national aid flotilla in international waters is a totally different kettle of fish.

Beaf:

I think you have hit the nail on the head! There are rules of engagement in armed conflict; response must be proportionate. Those were civilian boats and that is why there is such an outcry from World leaders and diplomats. Israel has really put its foot in it this time; I don't see an easy way out. Compensation will be paid in millions and massive concessions will be made on the political front. No two ways!

If the Israeli army had attacked fellow Israeli's with helicopter borne commando's, there would have been a strong outcry from the World, but it would have been tempered to an extent by the fact the it was an internal matter. However, attacking a multi-national aid flotilla in international waters is a totally different kettle of fish.

The Israeli's boarded with paintball guns and handguns. They clearly were not expecting a fight. however, they got one and escalated their response. It's now clear to me that the ship in question was carrying a number of Islamic hardliners who were intent on a fight.

All that said, you are right about this hurting Israel diplomatically but, I see that happening only with Turkey. I do not even think Jordan or Egypt will change their friendly relations with Israel. Definitely not the US or the EU. Definitely not Russia or China. And definitely not the AU if Israel at all gives a crap about the AU that is.

Massive concessions absolutely not. Compensation is also not going to happen. Turkey will make a lot of noise and that will be it. We go back to square one and wait for the next provocation/crisis.

One thing I can't get over is why is no one asking Egypt to open it's borders with Gaza. Afterall, Israel is not the only one that shares a border with Gaza. I don't blame the Israeli's for the siege mentality they sometimes have. They have trusted the world before and have been burned rather badly.

bgees:

I don't see why this should generate traffic or even be on the homepage . why can't we care less and focus more on Nigerian problems?

see human being, what of if  one of ur family member is on that ship working for and international aid and got killed. u go say d tin no concern u?

There are rules of engagement in armed conflict; response must be proportionate.

For it to be proportionate, the IDF too should have taken stick and chairs to fight the pissfull diplomats right?

One thing I can't get over is why is no one asking Egypt to open it's borders with Gaza. Afterall, Israel is not the only one that shares a border with Gaza.

Noo How dare you ask such questions, Only Israel must open the border, Egypt shouldnt. If Gaza is under a siege, then mount pressure on Egypt to open his own side of the border, at least they share same religion and ideology

i cant bliv wat is coming from out of some ignorant pple here, 1st, so israel issuing warning gives them an outright license to fire at unarmed civilians that were 55km from the so called blockage of theirs, 2nd, israel says they wanted to sail the ship to the bank, for God's sakes, i ve never heard where ships are bn sailed through commandos dropping on it (where is the feasibility). Religious sentiment apart, enough is enough, this is so UNACCEPTABLE. Maybe Hitler's acts were justified afterall,

1st, so israel issuing warning gives them an outright license to fire at unarmed civilians that were 55km from the so called blockage of theirs,

Unharmed is what you call metal rods, chairs and stun grenades, then what is armed? Nuclear bomb?

2nd, israel says they wanted to sail the ship to the bank, for God's sakes, i ve never heard where ships are bn sailed through commandos dropping on it (where is the feasibility)

So how were the ship supposed to be routed to the Israeli port to be checked? Use of remote control or what?

Mariory:

The Israeli's boarded with paintball guns and handguns. They clearly were not expecting a fight. however, they got one and escalated their response. It's now clear to me that the ship in question was carrying a number of Islamic hardliners who were intent on a fight.

All that said, you are right about this hurting Israel diplomatically but, I see that happening only with Turkey. I do not even think Jordan or Egypt will change their friendly relations with Israel. Definitely not the US or the EU. Definitely not Russia or China. And definitely not the AU if Israel at all gives a crap about the AU that is.

Massive concessions absolutely not. Compensation is also not going to happen. Turkey will make a lot of noise and that will be it. We go back to square one and wait for the next provocation/crisis.

One thing I can't get over is why is no one asking Egypt to open it's borders with Gaza. Afterall, Israel is not the only one that shares a border with Gaza. I don't blame the Israeli's for the siege mentality they sometimes have. They have trusted the world before and have been burned rather badly.

The Egyptian border is closed because, Egypt has diplomatic relations with Israel and is cooperating to keep the Palestinian population behind bars; they also want to avoid a refuge crisis. Perhaps, Egypt will now be pressured to open its borders.
About the rest of your arguments, we shall see. You seem to be underestimating the depth of World disgust at the Israeli action;

European allies were less circumspect. France and Spain quickly concluded the Israeli use of force was excessive. French President Nicolas Sarkozy said he "condemns a disproportionate use of force." Spain called the Israeli actions "unacceptable."

The European Union called for a full enquiry. The U.K. called for Israel to drop its blockade of Gaza.

The international censure could endanger some of the key foreign-policy aims of Mr. Netanyahu's government, analysts said. Those include Israel's stated top strategic priority: keeping Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703703704575277632709673018.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories

dayokanu:

Unharmed is what you call metal rods, chairs and stun grenades, then what is armed? Nuclear bomb?

So how were the ship supposed to be routed to the Israeli port to be checked? Use of remote control or what?

stop bn ridiculous, i guess u driving ur car with a wheel spanner makes u harmed, come on, and what stunned grenades, u probably need to go watch the video on al-jazerra (thats the only neutral station on this issue). the pple on board the ship waved white flag, israelis commandos fires sporadically from a chopper into the unsuspecting passengers on the ship, israelis commandos starts to drop on ship from chopper, passengers pick up anything they can lay down thier hand on, rods, camp beds and so on to defend themselves from these murderers, Anyways, what goes around always come around, i cant wait to see all these coming around to israel cos it will, surely

**why did my thread about the US oil disaster vanish without a trace abi these hackers dey craze ni?**

The Egyptian border is closed because, Egypt has diplomatic relations with Israel and is cooperating to keep the Palestinian population behind bars; they also want to avoid a refuge crisis. Perhaps, Egypt will now be pressured to open its borders.

Egypt has the right to avoid a refugee crisis but not Israel?

stop bn ridiculous, i guess u driving your car with a wheel spanner makes u harmed, come on, and what stunned grenades, u probably need to go watch the video on al-jazerra (thats the only neutral station on this issue).

Aljazeera a neutral? I laugh in Aljazeera .

If a police stops you and you club him with your wheel spanner then he too should look for a wheel spanner to club you with to make it proportionate right?

the pple on board the ship waved white flag, israelis commandos fires sporadically from a chopper into the unsuspecting passengers on the ship, israelis commandos starts to drop on ship from chopper, passengers pick up anything they can lay down thier hand on, rods, camp beds and so on to defend themselves from these murderers,  Anyways, what goes around always come around, i cant wait to see all these coming around to israel cos it will,  surely

If you say the people on the ship took anything they can lay their hands on to attack and what do you expect the Israelis forces to use? I bet they also used what they could lay their hands on to attack

Can you post the video on Aljazeera you saw?

So how were the ship supposed to be routed to the Israeli port to be checked? Use of remote control or what?
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i laugh at ur comments, i just hope u wont keep urself ignorant, maybe u must ve invented a device that tow ships with chopper and that invention of urs kills pple on board 1st b4 guiding a boat with a chopper , lol, im sure pple like u also supported isreal wen they used nuclear weapon in a civilian occupied area but is keen to disrupt iran nuclear activities, right?, get ur act right, i wonder wat they ll do wen they ve to fight a war with the whole world cos sooner or later they will, im pretty sure of that,

Mubz:

i cant bliv wat is coming from out of some ignorant pple here, 1st, so israel issuing warning gives them an outright license to fire at unarmed civilians that were 55km from the so called blockage of theirs, 2nd, israel says they wanted to sail the ship to the bank, for God's sakes, i ve never heard where ships are bn sailed through commandos dropping on it (where is the feasibility). Religious sentiment apart, enough is enough, this is so UNACCEPTABLE ,Maybe Hitler's acts were justified afterall,

Hmmmmmmmm

i laugh at your comments, i just hope u wont keep urself ignorant, maybe u must ve invented a device that tow ships with chopper and that invention of urs kills pple on board 1st b4 guiding a boat with a chopper , lol,

Is it too difficult for you? Did they tow the other ships to shore? Of course they ordered the captain to steer the ship to shore.

im sure pple like u also supported isreal wen they used nuclear weapon in a civilian occupied area but is keen to disrupt iran nuclear activities, right?,

Of course people like you and your friends who lauch Qassam rockets from civilian areas, who lauch bombs from Schools but would later come to complain about the civilian casualties.

Are they not cowards who hide under the skirts of women to launch attacks, why not come out and fight like men.

get your act right, i wonder wat they ll do wen they ve to fight a war with the whole world cos sooner or later they will, im pretty sure of that,

Havent they done that several times? Fight the whole Arab nations and defeated them in 6 days

Mubz,

Can you show us videos of where they were waiving the white flags?

I saw videos of IDF warning the ship can anyone show us those white flags being waved?

dayokanu:



Is it too difficult for you? Did they tow the other ships to shore? Of course they ordered the captain to steer the ship to shore.

Of course people like you and your friends who lauch Qassam rockets from civilian areas,  who lauch bombs from Schools but would later come to complain about the civilian casualties.

Are they not cowards who hide under the skirts of women to launch attacks, why not come out and fight like men.


 
Havent they done that several times? Fight the whole Arab nations and defeated them in 6 days

hmmm, well, i hope we ll both be alive when the revolution comes around. We ll see who ll be hiding under the skirts then. When the israelis will beg for mercy and it will be nowhere to be found, We ll see, there aint need having an argument, i can see u r not bn objective at all. I dnt ve arguments with such pple, Lets wait and see though,

dayokanu:

Egypt has the right to avoid a refugee crisis but not Israel?

What are you talking about?  
Did you pluck that from thin air? Because I never said or implied any such thing. Please lets be rational in our responses.

God of Israel at work go Bro Israel,

hmmm, well, i hope we ll both be alive when the revolution comes around. We ll see who ll be hiding under the skirts then. When the israelis will beg for mercy and it will be nowhere to be found,  We ll see,  there aint need having an argument, i can see u r not bn objective at all. I dnt ve arguments with such pple,  Lets wait and see though

Lol. Isnt it about time. Since 1967 they have been getting beat everytime

See objective people, Those who launch rockets from schools and hospitals and come back to complain about civilian casualties.

If Hamas cares so much about their civilians, they wont launch rockets from school areas. Unfortunately Israel is yet to design bullets and bombs that differentiate militants from civilians.

Let the worried Palestinians worry about and question the Hamas that uses their backyard to launch rockets.

hmmm, just day-dreaming if this were to happen on iranian waters, will like to see how is at fault

Security Council is this minute condemning Israel in strong terms and is recommending several heavy actions, including ordering that Israel implement several UN resolutions that free up Gaza from their inhumane blockade. . . More to come.

Mubz:

So how were the ship supposed to be routed to the Israeli port to be checked? Use of remote control or what?
i laugh at your comments, i just hope u wont keep urself ignorant, maybe u must ve invented a device that tow ships with chopper and that invention of urs kills pple on board 1st b4 guiding a boat with a chopper , lol,  im sure pple like u also supported isreal wen they used nuclear weapon in a civilian occupied area [/b]but is keen to disrupt iran nuclear activities,  right?,  get your act right, i wonder wat they ll do wen they ve to fight a war with the whole world cos sooner or later they will, im pretty sure of that,

When did Israel use nuclear weapons on civilians?

Mubz:

stop bn ridiculous, i guess u driving your car with a wheel spanner makes u harmed, come on, and what stunned grenades,[b] u probably need to go watch the video on al-jazerra (thats the only neutral station on this issue). the pple on board the ship waved white flag, israelis commandos fires sporadically from a chopper into the unsuspecting passengers on the ship, israelis commandos starts to drop on ship from chopper, passengers pick up anything they can lay down thier hand on, rods, camp beds and so on to defend themselves from these murderers,  Anyways, what goes around always come around, i cant wait to see all these coming around to israel cos it will,  surely

You are a LIAR. . . i've watched aljazeera for hours now and there is NO video of the thugs raising white flags. Infact the closest aljazeera came to this your falsity is when the newscaster said, ''The protesters have ''ALLEGED'' to have waved white flags''

Watch the news with your two eyes and stop lying. . . .well at least you are smarter than Beaf[quote][/quote]

Beaf:

Security Council is this minute condemning Israel in strong terms and is recommending several heavy actions, including ordering that Israel implement several UN resolutions that free up Gaza from their inhumane blockade. . . More to come.

Which security council are you talking about?? is it the vigilante council in your village?

its obvious you cannot read.