PointZerom:



You rears cows and I sells shoes, both of us are business men.

I developed my shoe business, bought land and build shop(s).

You developed your cow business, marry plenty wives and start threatening me to surrender the land I bought from my shoe business to you for grazing or ranches.

Can't you see how and why Nigeria is backward?.


Cc Immhotep Lzza

FriendNG:
I see no valid opposing arguments below but only foolish rants. This issue of grazing reserves or so called ranching being a private business is arrant nonsense.


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Cc: Blue3k Empiree are grazing reserves private business?

vedaxcool:
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Sadly bitterpobs are no longer considered worthy of anyone's attention talk more of holding sane discussion with.

PVision2020:

Substituting Violence with injustice will only keep us in a Vicious cycle of Calamity and destruction.
There can never be peace with inequality and injustice.

Why is it wrong to train herdsmen to stop nomadic life and embrace ranching?

Will it be a bad thing to buy milking machine for rent to herdsmen to improve our dairy Industry and reduce milk import?

Will it be a bad thing to have fat healthy cows instead of the lean diseased types common today? 

EternalTruths:



Take your ranches to Sokoto state.

PVision2020:

And what stops then from converting all the land in NW and NE to grazing reserves? What concerns the south and part of NC with your wandering marauders private cattle business? Is there farming reserves, piggery reserves, Livestock(poultry) ranches exclusive for southerners in the north? It seems you're not getting the memo, irrespective of political affiliation, nobody in the south and the larger part of NC want to live with blood thirsty demon who values the life of cow than human life. Is that too hard to understand? or must we pass the message in Arabic or fulfulde before you understand?
Grazing reserves will only be welcome in Yoruba land if and only if the operators will be anybody/anything but bloodthirsty Fulani herdsmen. kwa ji kwo

Chuksonyeike:

Government should buy lands for private business people? What sort of weed are you smoking? How come the FG is not purchasing land for other businessmen ?

Empiree:
there is no need to argue. You have already made up your mind to call all of them murderers as if SW/East are free or are not guilty of this too?. It is a waste of time talking to you. Nigerians generally are more rascists than White people.

crimeboss:


After the denial about the Libyan invasions, now ranches should be provided for foreigners?, fulanis av killed thousands of farms, razed communities and occupied their lands, and the excuse and solution according to u is compensate mass murderers as a means of stopping a crisis when they should av been arrested and hung for genocide?, it's easy to understand from point of views that u support the means of killings by these herdsmen in force the hands of government and the people to get their demands, and again the ranches as u know are going to be created exclusively for the killers being a compensation for a job well done, i hope u will agree if other tribes tow this line of murder to get their wish, what would u be saying then because i av read various submissions by u to be a bigot and ethnocentric.

Awogbade, Moses O. “GRAZING RESERVES IN NIGERIA.” Nomadic Peoples, no. 23, 1987, pp. 19–30. JSTOR, JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/43123287.

Collier, P., & Hoeffler, A. (2004). Greed and grievance. Oxford economic papers, 56(4), 563-595.
http://www.nyu.edu/econ/user/debraj/Courses/Readings/CollierHoeffler.pdf

Milligan, S., & Binns, T. (2007). Crisis in Policy, Policy in Crisis: Understanding Environmental Discourse and Resource-Use Conflict in Northern Nigeria. The Geographical Journal, 173(2), 143-156. Retrieved from http://www.jstor.org/stable/30130645

Repetto, R. (1987). Economic incentives for sustainable production. The Annals of Regional Science, 21(3), 44-59.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01287282

FriendNG:


This is baseless. Alcohol has nothing to do with southern business but it's prohibited. It's not only southerners that sell alcohol.




Foolish talk. It will never work one sided. The farmers must also be ready to pay compensation for the cows they killed.




Herders won't acquire any land but government will do. It's irrational for individual to own a large peace of land as a grazing reserves. And when such herder dies, his children will claim the place. And the heirs can decide to change the reserve to Houses. Grazing Reserve are owned by government not private individuals.



Tell us the land they occupy? Herders that move from 1 place to another. How can they occupy land?




Tell us who FG is doing that.




Arrant nonsense. Who says Grazing Reserve will be owned by herdmen? Same as Airport that is owned by government so as Grazing Reserve to which even you can go and rear your cattle.

Nobody is buying and giving land to any person. The land belongs to FG when purchased

PVision2020:

Your religion affiliation has overwhelmed the Omoluabi in you. Retrace your steps, Emi eniyan seyebiye ju esin Kesin lo.

TheCabal:
@FriendNG. This is a poor presentation on this topic.

If anyone is interested in this "Middle Belt Conflict", the following academic papers present a deep dive. The paper on Greed and Grievance will be highly instructive in understanding conflict. It provides a simple framework for understanding if conflicts are fueled by greed or genuine grievances.

In Nigeria, when we have an electrical fault we are more interested in what the plumber or bricklayer has to say about fixing a broken circuit breaker, than seeking the counsel of an experience electrician. This is biggest challenge we face as a nation.

ivandragon:




ahhh... look... an blind !d!0t

FriendNG:

And who are you? Dirty terrorist unhygenic pig.

ivandragon:



clean the spittle from your foul mouth...

retarded ethnic jingoist masquerading as a sane citizen...

Empiree:
That's it. You guys want no peace. What's religion has to do with this issue?.
Maybe you should explain why only people who ran into a mosque in one of the affected villages were spared at the pleading of an Imam while all the churches were burnt and all it inhabitants massacred?
One thing about liberal Muslims like you ( I suppose you're one) is the living in perpetual denial that there is no Violent sect of Islam. I've lived in the north, I've witness crisis and only diplomatic fools will tell you any crisis in the north are not "mostly" religiously motivated.
It's very easy for you to say this from your save abode in the SW because you've not witness people killing while shouting allahu Akbar. You can't tell me what I've experienced, people coming back from Jumat prayers vandalizing and killing so called Kafirs. Ask Yorubas/non Hausa Fulanis and even honest Hausa fulanis in the north irrespective of their religion affiliation and they'll tell you the same thing. #Fact.

Ranch, cow grazing is for the benefit of all just like agriculture. Also note that, this kind of hullabalou is not exclusive to Nigeria actually. In the USA, farmers too do have disagreements.

Disagreements is inevitable in any human interactions but resorting to violence and shedding of blood is the height of inhumanity.
BTW bringing USA into the picture is sheer ignorance, USA is a federating units with each unit (state) having its unique laws and policies. So the question of USA acquiring lands for Cattle breeders is practically impossible. Cattle breeders in Idaho, Omaha, Nebraska etc. do it as a private business entity. You can prove me wrong by showing prove to any state acquired/constructed ranch in the US.

If ranches are only in the north, cows and ram price will continue to skyrocket due to many obstacles fulani people have to go through all the way from North to transport livestock down south and East.

Lame!!! I guess they also need farm settlements in the south so that the prizes of food items won't skyrocket. Benue indegenes too deserves farm reserves in all the states because they are the food basket of the nation.
You talk as if Fulanis give Nigerians Cows for free, why should I give you accolades for goods and services I'm paying for.

adisa786:
Op title should read "Is cattle ranching a private business".

Blue3k:
Personally I don't agree with government buying land for land for private business owners. They should do that themselves like other entrepreneurs. I dont see how you can compare infrastructure development to government and subsidies to government giving corprate welfare. In case of subsidies the entrepreneur has to spend their capital.

The grazing reserve is going to be owned by the government and only willing states are going to do it. If they are cool with accomadating herdsmen I dont care. In states that aren't like Benue and Taraba they should follow laws in place. Herding and open grazing legal i. 34 states with a few minimal regulations.

These grazing reserves might run into tragedy of the commons. The reserve will only support so msny animals before the deplete it. The government will need to futher subsidize feed cattle feed, water on top of everything else you listed. I personally wouldn't want my tax money subsizing every little input for a business person.

We could prove them simply buying lsnd in collectives eould be easier in tax payer and would make them like other rancher (goats, chickens, pigs etc). The government doesn't give them much of anything. If they start ranch they gey benefits all the same.



The reserve only works if the choose to stop herding their cows to market. Other tbat that what stops them from bei g nomadic. The high value beef consumption is in the south. They'll have to start transportinh beef via refrigerated trucks or rail coaches.

Nothing stopping now from milking cows. Fulani cows jusy dont produce much meat or milk because they're always moving and that causes them to loose weight. The other issue is bad genes in terns of milk production.

They're lean because they didn't want to change lifestyle of herding. MACBAN stated its rheir right and they dont wabt to stop. Since it was lifestyle choice didnt improve themselves. The cattles get sick because they don't vaccinate them.

Ps: what do we do with nomadic herders from Niger Republic. They expirt cows without following regulstions. They shouldn't be allowed in grazing reserve.

Ovamboland:

Will it not amount to cutting your nose to spite your face if the situation is Ieft unattended?

Even if the herdsmen are unarmed, it will take possession of overwhelming force and very expensive policing of almost every inch of forest land to prevent open grazing.

If it was that easy Obasanjo in 8years plus Jonathan in almost 6 years could have completely wiped out grazing on farmlands.

In conclusion it's not fair to oppose a workable solution and insist on the status quo that has resulted in rustling, killing of herdsmen and farmers and reprisal attacks on innocent women, children and men.

FriendNG:



My topic is not about understanding north central crises.

My question is simple. is Grazing Reserve a private business? This is not rocket science that requires academic paper written or plagiarized & paraphrase by someone to understand.

Don't refer me to any academic paper, rather state your views here on Nairaland using knowledge of the academic paper you read.

In Nigeria, when we have an electrical fault we are more interested in what the plumber or bricklayer has to say about fixing a broken circuit breaker, than seeking the counsel of an experience electrician. This is biggest challenge we face as a nation.

BiafranJesus:
Throughout the world muslims come to kill to steal and to destroy. Fulani represents the Islamic seal of evil in Nigeria.

By thr comments of Nigerian muslims you can understand the evil they are made up of.

They are scavengers. They will not stay in their land but will travel out to steal and kill.

Muslims need their own country.

Blue3k:

Ovamboland:

TheCabal:


I shared my position.


For a lay man like "yours truly"; the people talking do not have the slightest idea about what they are talking about.

Its like asking if the should stop subsidizing education, or bailing out disco's and genco's or providing funds for BOA, NEXIM, Anchor borrowers. When people listen to unqualified parties, they suffer a fate far worse than the uneducated man, who believe's his life's fortunes are correlated to the number of children he bears.

Empiree:
Okay, what solution do you proffer bcus you have just handed out empty talk>. No offence please.

Empiree:
I am a Yoruba man