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Re: The Obama Deception by aletheia(m): 9:38pm On Aug 01, 2010 |
hymen: I believe you are being somewhat uncharitable here. What Oladeegbu writes is in keeping with the scriptures. There is a "grand conspiracy". The kings of the earth are conspiring against the King of kings. The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,(Psalms 2:2, KJV) Events are hurtling towards the end of the Age. You probably need to take some time off and research it. You will be amazed at what you 'll find. Off course, those who don't want you to know this will pooh-pooh it as nothing but "conspiracy theories". How do you think the coming man of sin will gather together his armies in the plain of Meggido if not through a worldwide conspiracy that mobilizes the nations? And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.(Rev 16:13,14) |
Re: The Obama Deception by dexmond: 9:41pm On Aug 01, 2010 |
@ OLADEEGBU The beast is waiting to take over properly. The natural man can not understand spiritual things because he thinks they are foolishness. Those who think the documentary is rubbish does not understand the war between the forces of darkness and the power of light. The devil indeed is crafty. He that has an ear let him hear. |
Re: The Obama Deception by Analissa(f): 2:55pm On Aug 02, 2010 |
wow some really harsh stuff here by non-christians Live and let live is my policy and that includes Christians. OLAADEGBU: Making prayer the basis of judgement is simply a sign of ignorance, yes people can pray if they want but forcing it on others is wrong and will be classed as infringement of rights. If you're a christian and God has given everyone free will, who are you to take it away? Most of the commandments are common sense. Something i'm quite sure people will have concluded on whether or not they are christians. About the praying at school thing, i've already said that prayer has no place in government and institutional rules. There is no reason why an atheist child should pray. Evolutionism/darwinism is not a religion and even if it was, it is one based on scientific research and study which enables it to be classified as science. If adam and eve's skull are discovered in asia today, then creationism will be attached to the syllabus. OLAADEGBU: I've read the bible and if you dont believe that Jesus is your lord and saviour and blah blah blah, you're not christian. And only after that comes the whole relationship with God. i learnt about christianity from church (which i still go to every week) so dont patronise me. I'm offended that you seem to believe that i think Jesus is "caucasian". why would i? i never said christianity originated from europe, i said it was introduced to america from europe, two different things. since what i'm saying doesnt seem to be sticking with you i'll say it once again and never mention it: the majority of africans (certainly nigerians) did not embrace Christianity until French and British colonization. They worshipped idols OLAADEGBU: Then that would be a strange situation. I dont know enough about american army procedures so i cant really verify or not but as far as i'm aware, the same cant be said for Britain. OLAADEGBU: Wrong, there is no sitting on the fence with serving God but i dont automatically have to follow another doctrine if i choose not to believe in Christianity. I can sit on the fence for as long as it is a rational decision. OLAADEGBU: religion= a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a supernatural agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. so as you can very clearly see, christianity is a religion If Christianity was only about having a relationship with God, then i'm Christian. Every sunday i tell God that if he proved himself to Gideon, he should prove himself to me. I dont hold my breath and as you can imagine, it hasnt happened. my cotton ball is wet when it rains and dry when it doesnt. OLAADEGBU:I have but i dont understand what this shows OLAADEGBU:I dont ask because i know if i went on google, it would no doubt tell me everything about the maker down to the name of his/her dog. The same can't be said for God so choose a better example. No one has ever seen God, they have only presumably seen Jesus who claimed to be the son of God. surely not the same thing. And no one is ever going to see him even if he did create the earth and stuff. OLAADEGBU:Or you just hear your own thoughts, OLAADEGBU:If you ask, you get vague descriptions about what he is but you dont get any proof (talk to him or see him) so that is moot really. I can talk all i want about an imaginary friend but that doesnt make him any less imaginary. |
Re: The Obama Deception by MyJoe: 5:40pm On Aug 02, 2010 |
Who's this Analissa? I'm liking her surely! |
Re: The Obama Deception by thehomer: 9:30pm On Aug 02, 2010 |
@OLAADEGBU Sorry I missed this earlier since I stopped following your posts. To rectify some of your more egregious errors, (this being one of them) OLAADEGBU: Your above conclusion is factually wrong. It may be because you got your information from biased sources. Please review information from some of these sources or simply google the relevant keywords and check the published articles. Here are some sources to start you off. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Chaplain_Corps#Controversies http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/29/AR2006032902207.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/a-little-history-lesson-f_b_156834.html http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue3058.html http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=37913 The general conclusion is that in a non-sectarian setting organized by the military, the military chaplain is not allowed to appeal to any particular deity. The chaplain is free to refuse speaking at such a gathering if he feels bothered. This applies to all chaplains regardless of their religious orientation. The chaplain is free to make proclamations as he sees fit in his sectarian meetings with similarly inclined troops. |
Re: The Obama Deception by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:37pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
aletheia: Very correct. The mass majority don't even know that they are believing a grand conspiracy of satan to believe a lie when they have rejected the truth. When people don't believe the truth they are given over to believe a lie and this as you have said, is how the man of sin is recruiting his army that he intends to wage against the King of Kings. |
Re: The Obama Deception by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:41pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
dexmond: I can understand the plight of the atheists/skeptics but what amazes me is the level of deception and delusion of some Christians on this forum who have fallen headlong for the lies from the pit of hell. |
Re: The Obama Deception by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:52pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
Analissa: It is not only my wish that you live but to live more abundantly (John 10:10). Analissa: God doesn't force Himself on anyone even though He created us and gave us free will, it is only proper that this freedom of speech is not taken away from those who wish to exercise it. Analissa: I can only blame those religious teachers who misled you into thinking that Christianity spread to Africa by the Europeans, there were many pilgrims that congregated at Jerusalem who got converted at Peter's preaching (3,000 of them) many of whom came from Africa and other parts of the then known world and remember that the Ethiopian eunuch who got converted through Philip took the gospel back to Africa. The fact that muslim arabs overtook the northern African countries who used to be christians and forced them to become muslims under the sword does not mean that the gospel was never preached there until the European missionaries came. Analissa: It is even worse in the UK where they are contemplating passing a hate law that will make it criminal to preach that Jesus Christ is the only way, one can go to jail if one preaches that homosexuality is a sin if this law passes. Christianity is now a minority in England whose national flag (St Georges) typifies the cross of Jesus Christ and peace. Analissa: It is a pity that some folks believe that they can sit on the fence by being politically correct but the hard truth is that there is no grey areas with God, it is simply a matter of black or white. Analissa: I admit that part of Christianity can be said to be religious when it comes to our duty towards our neighbours but we can only do this when we have this experience with the true and living God. Our relationship is both vertical and horizontal. Vertical when we commune with God and horizontal when we relate with our fellow human beings, we cannot say we do the latter when we ignore the former. Analissa: You approached your christianity the wrong way. Christianity is first by faith, for without faith it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6). If you are to come to God you have to come to Him by faith it is only after this that He will reward you. Thomas who was one of Jesus' disciples was reprimanded for insisting to believe only if he sees and touches the pierced hands and side, Jesus promised that blessed are those who believe Him even though they don't see Him. The way of the world is different from the ways of God, the way of the world is seeing is believing while the way to God is believing is seeing. There are exceptional cases where God shows Himself to people and I will post a video clip of one who experienced this but we have a sure word of prophecy which is the Bible where we base our faith upon, God speaks to us through His Word and His Words never fails because Jesus is the Word of God that never fail. His Word says if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead you shall be saved (Romans 10:9). Take that to the bank it is a sure banker. Analissa: As I said earlier, that the first 4 commandments shows our relationship towards God our Creator while the other 6 is about our relationship towards our fellow human beings. Those questions if we answered them sincerely and consciously we would realise that we have failed one way or the other because we do not have the strength to comply with the standard set by God because of our fallen and sinful nature. God is so holy that He cannot behold iniquity (wrong doing) for this reason He sent His only begotten Son to pay the death penalty that we owe because of our sin so that we can be reconcilled back to God as we trust in the blood of Jesus Christ that was shed. It is this faith that we receive the impartation of God's righteousness through the Holy Spirit so that we are then free to serve God in righteousness and holiness. Analissa: Google may not always give you the answers you want but the Bible gives you the past, present and future information that you need for this world and the one to come. Analissa: The Words of God is capable of transforming your mind that you would begin to think the thoughts of God. Analissa: You might have read many things about the Queen of England but you don't know her the way her husband knows her. To know her intimately you need to develop a living relationship with her and the same goes with God, many people might have read the Bible but not many have developed that loving, living relationship with Him. Do you realise that knowing the author of a book would make it more interesting and easier to read and follow? |
Re: The Obama Deception by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:14pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
@Analissa, Listen and watch what Afshin a former muslim, who saw the living God. [flash=600,500]http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-8870177642686242029&hl=en&fs=true[/flash] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8870177642686242029 |
Re: The Obama Deception by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:26pm On Aug 08, 2010 |
He Shall Judge the World "Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth"(Psalm 96:13) Those men and women who reject or ignore the wonderful offer of salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ need somehow to realize the eternal consequences of their foolishness. Jesus Christ was not just a religious teacher in Israel two thousand years ago, but is the very God who created them, the Second Person of the triune Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). God the Father "created all things by Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 3:9), and therefore "hath committed all judgment unto the Son" (John 5:22). And on what basis will He judge us? Our text tells us that "righteousness" and "truth" are the criteria. The problem is that "there is none righteous, no, not one" (Romans 3:10). "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4). However, the Lord Jesus was incarnate Truth and Righteousness, and God "hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" (2 Corinthians 5:21). Christ has made eternal salvation available freely to us. There is no other way. "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him" (John 3:36). But how do we know that all this is not just a peculiar doctrine of one particular religion? Here is how. God "hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead" (Acts 17:31). By defeating death itself, Christ has vindicated His claim to be the Judge of all! HMM For more . . . . |
Re: The Obama Deception by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:37am On Aug 09, 2010 |
thehomer: I decided to have a look at your links for the first time since I could not be bothered to check up your anti christian links, and let me quote one of them: "For Christian chaplains, closing their prayers in the name of Jesus is a fundamental part of their beliefs," Jones said in a statement. "To suppress this form of expression would violate their religious freedom."http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue3058.html This shows how Christianity has been criminalized in the US navy when they begin to say that public worship is not worshipping in public and they begin to censor the contents of the chaplains' prayers. |
Re: The Obama Deception by thehomer: 9:29pm On Aug 09, 2010 |
OLAADEGBU: "Anti-Christian" links? Of course since they do not support your previous view, they must be wrong. Since it's the Christian Telegraph that you like, I guess you did not read the article properly. Though they tried to minimize the truth, it was at least still there. From the 14th paragraph,
Lainez is the spokesperson for the Department of Defence From the 17th paragraph,
by Capt. Michael Andrews who was speaking for the US Air Force OLAADEGBU: Like I said, it shows no such thing. Read through that article properly and understand what the various military spokespersons were saying. I've already summarized it. Also, it is not a good idea to get all your information from one source if you actually want to get accurate information. You would do well to also review the other articles on the same topic. The links are there. |
Re: The Obama Deception by marcus1234: 9:29pm On Aug 09, 2010 |
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Re: The Obama Deception by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:53pm On Aug 10, 2010 |
thehomer: Did you read about the complaints of the chaplains affected at all? thehomer: You don't just read about the political correctness by the army's spokesperson try and read about the persons affected starting from the 1st paragraph. thehomer: While the so called captain is concerned about the rights of others not to hear the name of Christ what about the rights of the chaplains to use the name of Christ to end his prayer, where is the freedom of speech in that? thehomer: This problem would always arise when one religion (secular humanists) are allowed to force their own dogma down the throat of others. When the government says that in the name of inclusiveness that no deity or name should be mentioned but that they are only allowed to pray generic prayers to no one, who's interest do you think they are serving if not theirs (secular humanists) alone? thehomer: Other articles only confirm what I have said earlier, anything else is just the usual denials and "PC" to pull wool over the eyes of the likes of you and Martian who would only get confused when confronted with the facts. |
Re: The Obama Deception by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:03pm On Aug 10, 2010 |
Martian: Did you see the links posted by your fellow atheist about the American policy you claimed didn't exist? Don't you see how you ridicule yourself when you don't even know what is going on under your nose in the army? and that is if you truly are in the American army. |
Re: The Obama Deception by Nobody: 4:06pm On Aug 10, 2010 |
@OLAADEGBU Ride on. Let the 'I too know' continue to bother himself in vain. It seems hes really obsessed with you and loves following ur threads and posts |
Re: The Obama Deception by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:59pm On Aug 10, 2010 |
toba: We can only pray for him to find what is missing in his heart because it seems that his conscience would not let him rest until he discovers the Truth that will fill that gap. |
Re: The Obama Deception by thehomer: 8:43pm On Aug 10, 2010 |
OLAADEGBU: Did you read what the chaplains did? OLAADEGBU: It's not political correctness, it's the law of the land. The state is not supposed to support any particular religion. Praying to a particular deity in such a mixed setting, implies that the US Military endorses that particular religion. OLAADEGBU: The chaplain is free to do that in a gathering of like minded believers. It's right there in the articles. He is also free to decline such an offer. OLAADEGBU: The government is supposed to be neutral to religion. Secular humanism is not a religion. There are no revered beings neither are there revered texts that seem to dominate religious organizations. OLAADEGBU: Well now who is confused about the facts, even after summary and evidence have been presented? It seems you are confused about what you read. |
Re: The Obama Deception by Analissa(f): 12:32am On Aug 11, 2010 |
OLAADEGBU: Thanks OLAADEGBU: If God doesnt force himself on anyone then why should Christians try to force him on others? By integrating prayer into legislation, you would be forcing God on those who don't believe in him. Sure you can excercise your freedom of speech but others should also be able to excercise it by telling you to get out of their face. It is only fair. Besides i notice that most Christians only believe in freedom of speech when it serves their purpose. When used against them it is suddenly a 'hate attack'. OLAADEGBU: I hope you will pardon me if i ignore this part. I've already made my stance on this clear, repeating it would be like speaking to a wall; a waste of time. OLAADEGBU: The links posted by thehomer has made made your arguement about army chaplains null. Unless you wish to provide evidence that counters his. Its funny that you call it a hate law now, i can't help but wonder if you would think the same if it became a punishable crime to be atheist or deist. And as for the homosexuality law, i feel no sympathy. My motto as i've mentioned is 'live and let live' meaning i live my life how i want and anyone else can live theirs how they wish as well. If i disagree with homosexuality, it doesnt give me the right to judge and persecute homosexual people. Preaching that homosexuality is a sin is judging them and persecuting them even if you think you are doing them a favour and bringing them closer to God. I'm sure every gay person knows that according to Christianity it is a sin, you telling them will make no difference. OLAADEGBU: By sitting on the fence, i'm not being politically correct, i'm being what i want to be. I will not be pushed into blind agreement and neither will i be pushed into what i see as blind disagreement. I mentioned in an earlier post that there is no middle ground with God and you've merely rephrased it. In the eyes of God and Christianity and most other religions i'm a sinner, unquestionably, but that doesn't automatically mean i'm atheist. I might be deist, there's a lot of middle ground before atheism. And whether you like it or not, it is a middle ground. OLAADEGBU: Look no amount of dressing it up will make it into what it's not. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. The fact that someone puts clothes on it won't make it human. OLAADEGBU: We seem to be rushing ahead of ourselves here. Lets get one thing straight; i am not Christian. Now lets move on. According to hebrews faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen, right? Then the way i see it, if i hoped that my cotton would be wet on a dry day that would be having faith, wouldn't it? well if after hoping nothing happens doesnt that mean it can't happen? If it can't happen by faith then what else? The disciples got plenty of evidence while he was alive and had enough reason to believe he could come back from the dead. I, unfortunately, don't have that priviledge as the only thing i have ever asked for has been denied every single time. 13x52= 676. I have asked 676 times and have been denied 676 times and counting. OLAADEGBU: All this proves to me is that if God did create us, he created us imperfect deliberately so he could watch as Christtians strive to achieve perfection and laugh. Why bother creating us and then setting standards we can never attain knowing that we could never attain it? pointless, or sadistic. OLAADEGBU: Difference being that google while not 100% right all the time can generally be relied on as the truth. The Bible is questionable, like wikipedia really, the content depends on the author and the author isn't necessarily right. OLAADEGBU: Or you could just believe that to justify the reason you think your thoughts are God. Is this a physical, chemical or purely pychological transformation? Is there any difference in chemical transmitters? brain shape? function? is a new hemisphere added? Please explain, i'm curious. OLAADEGBU: Firstly, i'm quite positive that i do not want to know her the way her husband does. Secondly, if i googled it i could see the face of dear old lizzie. Even if i don't know her, i know of her and i can clearly see she exists. Bad analogy. And did you know that reading a book from the author's point of view is tediously boring as it limits the imagination of the reader? It's like watching a movie really, yes it's easier to follow but its also limiting because i can't imagine how i want things to look. They are already a certain way, a way i can't change. |
Re: The Obama Deception by Analissa(f): 12:35am On Aug 11, 2010 |
OLAADEGBU: So? Would you believe me if i said i saw the real Elvis Presley yesterday? Or if i said i saw michael jackson? I thought not |
Re: The Obama Deception by thehomer: 5:15pm On Aug 21, 2010 |
@ OLAADEGBU Consider this story. Let me know what you think about it. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/19/u-s-soldiers-punished-for-not-attending-christian-concert/ Do you think the soldiers should be forced to attend religious concerts? |
Re: The Obama Deception by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:27am On Aug 22, 2010 |
@thehomer, And what makes you think that 'am going to waste my time checking your suggested link. |
Re: The Obama Deception by thehomer: 10:15am On Aug 22, 2010 |
OLAADEGBU: If you're interested, I'll paste the story here. The summary is right below it. Anyway, here's the story. Happy reading.
So do you think the soldiers should be forced to attend these concerts? |
Re: The Obama Deception by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:25pm On Aug 23, 2010 |
Like the Most High August 23, 2010 "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High" (Isaiah 14:14) These are two of the "I will's" of Satan--or Lucifer--as he aspired to usurp the throne of God as ruler of the universe (see Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:11-17). Not content to be "the anointed cherub," the highest of the angelic hierarchy (Ezekiel 28:14), he wanted to be God, and this monstrous pride became "the condemnation of the devil," (1 Timothy 3:6), so that he is now "fallen from heaven," and will soon be "brought down to hell," (Isaiah 14:12, 15). Lucifer, of course, is not the Creator, for he was "created," (Ezekiel 28:15) himself. It would seem therefore that for him to rationalize his ambition to be like the most High, he must somehow persuade himself that he is like the most High--that is, that God is a created being like himself, and thus can be defeated. He only had God's word that he had been created by Him, and he evidently chose not to believe what God said (just as do multitudes of men and women today). He, like they, chose rather to believe that the eternal cosmos had somehow created them all by its own powers. The great cosmos (call it Mother Nature, perhaps) has "created," spirit beings, as well as men and women, and all the worlds inhabited by them. In this scenario, the true Creator God is viewed as only one of many. Therefore He is vulnerable to defeat--or so Satan evidently believes. Thus Lucifer became the first evolutionist, and this great lie by which he deceived himself became the basis of his later deception of Eve and then of the founders of all the varied pantheistic religions of the world, as well as modern evolutionism and "New Age" philosophies. Nevertheless, God is still on His throne, and "the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings" (Revelation 17:14). HMM For more . . . . |
Re: The Obama Deception by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:30pm On Nov 05, 2012 |
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