dayokanu:
. . . . or else Ade Bendel, Morris Ibekwe, Lawrence Anini can join and donate money to the church coffers to buy more jets

Pastor AIO:

I believe that Tudor's argument is not based on whether or not the Bible is true or false, but rather it is based on consistency.  Are the activities of these 'christians' consistent with what is written in the bible?  Whether or not the bible is true or false, this matter of consistency can be studied independently.  

toba:

Is it the false Christian bible according to tudor? I await your response ASAP

Tudór:


My challenge is still open to you. Provide scriptural basis for your claims and stop running. Why is this so hard and painful for you to do?

toba:

I provide answers to my questions and u have your scriptural basis Immediately. Im here for u any time.

Tudór:

Sorry your questions are inconsequential and have no bearing on the discussion at hand (see pastor aio's post for more info). pROVIDE YOUR SCRITure AND STOP RUNNING!

Tudór:

btw, how come you had no problem presenting scriptures earlier??

toba:

Im here. provide answers and u get your scripture(s). My questions are related, in that its about God and the Christian bible which our subject of discuss (akingbola and Adeboye) believes strongly in. NO?

Cos i consented to your request and now is your turn to reciprocate.

Tudór:

So? How does my view of the bible's veracity affect the discussion?

Good for you to have said adeboye and akingbola believe strongly in the bible. We are discussing THEM not ME. Since they believe in the bible, we are to examine them based on their belief not mine

Show me scripture that justifies their behaviour or failings. Its not so hardYou didnt consent.

Tudóron: June 13, 2010, 07:40 PM]
Bible says ask the Holy spirit, pray to god. I ask and dont see nada

i read the bible and see D
[/quote]
Now after reading the bible and saw 'D' ( only God knows what u meant by the word) If i post scriptures for u, what if u claim to see 'B' after seeing 'D' initially?

Answer my questions and u have ur quotes QED

[quote author=Tudór:

You are yet to provide a scripture that supports your view. Stop running.

goksonjay:

There are alot of certified fake notorious pastor in the country, with the list unending, yet u didn't see anyone among them to be discussed, but you people rather choose to discuss the servant of the most high God, Have u forgotten what is written in Psalm 105? better watch your back or ask for forgiveness before it is too late

Tudór:


You didnt consent. You are yet to provide a scripture that supports your view. Stop running.

toba on July 19, 2010, 03:57 PM:

Many biblical examples abound about how God didnt reveal many things to the prophet. If God didnt reveal it to adeboye, there was no way he could have known.

I will give u a biblical case of Elisha and the Shunammite Woman II Kings 4:

14 And he said,
        What then is to be done for her?
    And Gehazi answered,
        Verily she hath no child,
        and her husband is old.
:15 And he said,
        Call her.
    And when he had called her,
    she stood in the door.
:16 And he said,
        About this season,
            according to the time of life,
        thou shalt embrace a son.
    And she said,
        Nay, my lord,
            thou man of God,
        do not lie unto thine handmaid.
17 And the woman conceived, [she must have believed him]
    and bare a son at that season that Elisha had said unto her,
        according to the time of life.

:20 And when he had taken him,
    and brought him to his mother,
    he sat on her knees till noon,
    and then died.

:27 And when she came to the man of God to the hill,
    she caught him by the feet:
    but Gehazi came near to thrust her away.
    And the man of God said,
        Let her alone;
            for her soul is vexed within her:
        and the LORD hath hid it from me,
        and hath not told me.

toba:

Its not so hard. why cant u answer simple questions first?

It would be illogical when this was posted by u on the same bible u want as quotes
Now after reading the bible and saw 'D' ( only God knows what u meant by the word) If i post scriptures for u, what if u claim to see 'B' after seeing 'D' initially?

Answer my questions and u have your quotes QED

This ones i provided on previous pages aren't scriptures? but what

Tudór:

I repeat my view on the veracity of the bible isnt necessary here. Post scriptures that are clear for all to see and show us how God hid SIN.

A simple story where its explicitly written God hid SIN of a prophet. If such were provided t[b]here can be no denying.[/b]
I already showed you those scriptures do not apply to this situation as they are unrelated. You posted nothing to disagree.

Tudór:

Remember We are talking of God hiding sin in the bible KEYWORD is SIN. You are yet to provide a biblical story to confirm this.

toba:

U are very deceitful my guy as pointed out by jesus on this thread in all ramifications.

Which God? the same one u said doesnt exist, said nasty things about and now require me to provide scriptures from the false bible no?
I dont understand how u require something from mythical being
A simple response would do

And i gave u Elisha's case on how God didn't reveal an event that occurred to him. Same i reckon could have been applicable to Adeboye no?

G.B.T:

Mr. Jibiti, how is anyone to trust what you post with a name like that?

@ pastor kindly get the question and there was not personal attack in the question.
Of what issue of yours is it if I am not a Christian?
My question was for Tudor or since when did you become the mouth piece?
The Question was at a point she came across as having some personal grudge with a certain individual!

So bruv,get the picture right before u goof next time

And for the records and your info it is G.B.T

Tudór:

I repeat, my views on the accuracy of the bible is irrelevant. The important thing here is you, adeboye and akingbola consider the bible to be true and have chosen to take moral bearings therein.

I have asked you to validate your's and their actions using the bible you all believe.

Show me the basis  their behaviour in your own bible. Very simple

Tudór:

What did God not reveal to Elisha? Is IT SIN?

Tudór:

I have asked a million times show me where God hid SIN of his prophets. KEYWORD IS SIN, SIN SIN,SIN, SIN, SIN. Jeez

pingu2k5:

^^^^^^^^^^^
May God arrest the mind of Tudor [/b]and give it understanding. AMEN.

I want to advise Toba and others to stop dragging this issue with Tudor. Let God defend Pastor Adeboye.

toba:

Did u say Show u ? Haven't u condemned the same bible as false from your atheistic view? U want me to discuss the word of God (bible) after saying  the same God doesn't exist and that Christians are deluded for believing in myth?

Honestly  tudor if u answered my questions, i will show u the basis as requested.
No its not. The basis here as laid on pages 1 to 3 wherein i've posted on this thread is that, God is the only all knowing and God can decide not to reveal anything to anyone if he(God) so desires no?
If God decided not to reveal the sin(s) of any one to Adeboye, would u still blame Adeboye or u Blame God for this?

Can anyone of us question GOd Almighty for his actions and inactions?We have many prophets and until we visit their churches world wide to ask them we might not be able to know if God had hidden 'sin of his prophet'

We can start by asking some NL Prophets first about the Key word 'SIN, SIN SIN,SIN, SIN, SIN. Jeez'

Tudór:

he can decide not to reveal ANYTHING?

Tudór:

Lets apply your logic elsewhere,

So, God is Ominipotent and Can do all things so God can have intimacy, ra.pe women, rap.e children,  steal, lie, mastu.rbate, do evil.

Can God do all these too?

Tudór:

Sorry, the bible is said to be the christian God's handbook.

Tudór:

Several times on this forum christians have alluded to the bible as complete. So, if you cannot see anywhere God is said to hide sin in the bible then it should be regarded as impossible for the christian god.

Tudór:

Or is there such a passage? Pls show us
Is the Word SIN not defined in the bible? Why do you need ''NL prophet'' definition?

Pls show us where God hid sin of a prophet in the bible, we are waiting.

Tudór:

I have asked a million times show me where God hid SIN of his prophets

toba:

This laugher ableYes he can. I gave u an eg of how he didnt reveal Anything  to Elisha as regards the dead boy no? Is that not anything? And if he wants to reveal 'Anything again, God will also do so, Like he revealed to Samuel what will befall Eli. His name is KABIYESI, if at all u believe that

Which God, Is it the same one u said doesnt exist or another one? Until  u tell me the God u are talking about, i may not be able to tell if the above listed can be done by him or not.
I await your response. I obliged u many things calmly so answer one of my numerous questions on God and the bible, to balance the equation

Yes my guy, but do u believe that what is said about their God therein is true and not false? If yes Lets discuss right away
Do u tudor beleive the Christians are correct to have said that or have same opinion with the Christians as regards their 'god' ? I need answer since u want to discuss what the Christians have said

your post is clear on prophet that have warranted their inclusion which is this

So i like  said there are many prophets, NL prophets are also prophets.
Try something new

Tudór:

Good to see you giving biblical examples. Kindly show me where your God hid sin in your bible.

Tudór:

In Elisha's case God did not reveal the woman's problem, that is not Sin.

Tudór:

sorry I'm talking about the christian God, the one you and akingbola worship.
I dont know him/her/it obviously you and akingbola claim to do. So pls show me where your God did not reveal sinful nature in your bible.

Tudór:

Question; What the hell are you talking about? This doesnt make sense to me as frankly I got a headache trying to decode what is being said here.

toba:

MY God which u said is a myth? U want me to show u bible passages from a mythical being?
Thats a good eg of God not revealing Anything sin or no sin no?

does it mean u now believe he exist, since myself and Akingbola worship him?

Read with sense for u to decode whats being said

Amitex:

Tudor,

Pls be careful of what you write here, IF YOU DO NOT CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE TO GOD'S ANOINTED, WELL I AM AFRAID YOU ARE SURE TO RECEIVE THE REPCERCUSSION,