beautyline:

Do they have to be christians? Are Christians the best people?

The Clown:

Sometimes when I take a close look at the Penticostal churches I wonder. Almost everything about them contravene the new testament that they cling to so much! They have very little regard for the old testament but would not hesitate to quote from it when it supports their selfish arguments, like when it supports tithing. Their pastors take huge millions in the form of tithe like the Livitical priests, even when it was written no where in the new testament where Christ or his apostles received tithes, and even paul made it clear that he requires no body's money as the works of his hands can provide for him. When Christ was sending his disciples out on evangelism, the order he gave to them was 'eat whatever is set before you.' and not demand one tenth of your converts' incomes.
Again, the main massage Pentecostalism tend to carry or atleast flaunts is prosperity. It was clear in the Bible that Jesus never said a Christian life must be that of affluence. Himself and the apostles made it clear that a Christian is not of this world, and that life on earth would be filled with tribulations and that they should be endured for our rewards are great in heaven. He however did not rule out wages by hard work. Alot of pastor even go up to the point of defrauding people so as to live an outward life of their perceived Christianity.
Again, they don't believe in doing good works, or, they don't see it as an essential part of our heavenly race they stick to Saint Paul's philosophy of justification by faith alone and even criticise those that labour in this direction. They over Christ analogy in the Gospel when he said that on the last day, the whole humanity would be divided into two groups, and to one he would say; When I was hungry you gave me to eat, when I was thirsty you gave me to drink, when I was unclothed you clothed me etc, now enter into the kingdom of my father and then the other half who never did anything like, he turned away, making it clear that good works is highly essential to get a man into heaven. Also, they ignore saint James epistle where he said faith without work is dead and clung to the one they saw easier.
Again, when they pray, they pray like the Pharisees, shouting out loud above their voices and very verbose, repeating the same phrases over and over again, ignoring the Biblical directive that Christians should keep their prayers simple and without vain repetitions and raising of voices but quietly, so that the Father who everything in secret would give his reward in secret.
It was at the advent of penticostalism that things like harlot-like dressing to Church, covering of hair, Voodoo in the Church for the sake of miracles, Pastors frying their hairs becoming a sign of reverence and alot of things that were not hitherto associated with the Church atleast became the order of the day.
There are a lot of things I observed I began to wander if they are actually Christians or a bunch if money making, public show, easy speaking, social organizations! Because based on the teachings of the new testament which they claim to uphold so much, they are not Christian! Based on the old testament which they denounce but embrace when it buttresses their arguments, they are not Christians! And based on the doctrines of the Apostles passed down, they are far from Christians! What are Pentecostals actually? I feel they are part of the devil's end time agenda, aimed at corrupting the very foundation of the Christian faith and her doctrines so that at the end, Christian would not even know what the standard is or supposed to be anymore. For example, most of them claim to have no teachings at all, calling it doctrines and making the word itself sound abhorrent. That is to say, no standard anymore, anything goes!
What is your own opinion? Sincere opinions, Insults and tongue bashings are welcome.

If your reason for asking whether Pentecostals are Christians is "because of the practise of Tithing" then its a real big pity

What about Anglicans, dont they take tithes?

What about Methodists, dont they tithe?

OK! i heard somone say Protestants broke out from the RCC because of their extra-scriptural activities. . .now i ask if tithing was one of the bad things the RCC did that made the protestants break. . .how come the same protestants still tithe till date.

One thing i have come to witness from my personal christian experience is that anyone can wake up one morning and find alot of reason not to believe God. Someone can wake up and choose not to believe that Jesus is a God. . .and guess what? the moment that thought finds a seat in your intellect it can win over a million fans today (no thanks to the hi-tech medias) and they will find over a million reason to tell others why it is true and some even go the extra mile to seek logical approaches to butress their reprobacy furthermore.

Another man can wake up with his own gospel to preach on why He/she feels tithing is no more relevant in the scriptures and guess what? his van could be filled in no time with similar believers. And to continue this 'gospel' such a person will find some logical reasons to back their arguments. reasons like Tithe is a law therefore it was abolished when Jesus abolished the law and suddenly you hear his disciples saying hay hurrah that's true not regarding the peak of their stu.pidity. Ask them if there was ever a place in the bible that clearly call Tithing a Law like was there any such thing as the LAW OF TITHING they will either keep quiet for a moment and when they amass some like minded grubbers they will continue their crusade. . .sometimes Tonye just loves taking big laughter behing the LCD of his notebook, laughing at their activities. A wise man puts it better this way ". . .even ignoramuses also make the world go round" yes its true. . .we need them to keep disbelieving the simple truths in God's word and thereby fulfilling scriptures "they honour me with their mouth but their hearts are far away from me".

To even add coals to their flame, you hear them say the most hilarious thing by adding that when Jesus said we should not neglect tithing, he was not talking to us, but the pharisees and each time i hear this . . .bursters of laughter never seize from my lungs . . .yeah like seriously how can someone in his right senses say a thing like that. . .like Jesus was speaking to the pharisees therefore we should not mind that scriptures. . . ok! so when Jesus performed a miracle in cana of galilee he did it for the galileans therefore we should not also mind that scriptures, or when Jesus was born to the Jews and performed miracles, we should also not mind those scriptures afterall he lived only with the Jews. what more word can i qualify pathogenesis with.

The words of God has never being defeated by even the fiercest of intellectualism nor by the attacks of evil-mongers, yeah they may appear or claim to be among the true christians. . .they may win for themselves the largest of fans. . .but guess what? MY Father's words says "let anyone who preaches another gospel from the true gospel be accursed" yes in better terms. . .he who does not believe in the words of God is condemn already.

God bless you!

5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking

24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Tonye-t:

If your reason for asking whether Pentecostals are Christians is "because of the practise of Tithing" then its a real big pity

What about Anglicans, dont they take tithes?

What about Methodists, dont they tithe?

OK! i heard somone say Protestants broke out from the RCC because of their extra-scriptural activities. . .now i ask if tithing was one of the bad things the RCC did that made the protestants break. . .how come the same protestants still tithe till date.

One thing i have come to witness from my personal christian experience is that anyone can wake up one morning and find alot of reason not to believe God. Someone can wake up and choose not to believe that Jesus is a God. . .and guess what? the moment that thought finds a seat in your intellect it can win over a million fans today (no thanks to the hi-tech medias) and they will find over a million reason to tell others why it is true and some even go the extra mile to seek logical approaches to butress their reprobacy furthermore.

Another man can wake up with his own gospel to preach on why He/she feels tithing is no more relevant in the scriptures and guess what? his van could be filled in no time with similar believers. And to continue this 'gospel' such a person will find some logical reasons to back their arguments. reasons like Tithe is a law therefore it was abolished when Jesus abolished the law and suddenly you hear his disciples saying hay hurrah that's true not regarding the peak of their stu.pidity. Ask them if there was ever a place in the bible that clearly call Tithing a Law like was there any such thing as the LAW OF TITHING they will either keep quiet for a moment and when they amass some like minded grubbers they will continue their crusade. . .sometimes Tonye just loves taking big laughter behing the LCD of his notebook, laughing at their activities. A wise man puts it better this way ". . .even ignoramuses also make the world go round" yes its true. . .we need them to keep disbelieving the simple truths in God's word and thereby fulfilling scriptures "they honour me with their mouth but their hearts are far away from me".

To even add coals to their flame, you hear them say the most hilarious thing by adding that when Jesus said we should not neglect tithing, he was not talking to us, but the pharisees and each time i hear this . . .bursters of laughter never seize from my lungs . . .yeah like seriously how can someone in his right senses say a thing like that. . .like Jesus was speaking to the pharisees therefore we should not mind that scriptures. . . ok! so when Jesus performed a miracle in cana of galilee he did it for the galileans therefore we should not also mind that scriptures, or when Jesus was born to the Jews and performed miracles, we should also not mind those scriptures afterall he lived only with the Jews. what more word can i qualify pathogenesis with.

The words of God has never being defeated by even the fiercest of intellectualism nor by the attacks of evil-mongers, yeah they may appear or claim to be among the true christians. . .they may win for themselves the largest of fans. . .but guess what? MY Father's words says "let anyone who preaches another gospel from the true gospel be accursed" yes in better terms. . .he who does not believe in the words of God is condemn already.

God bless you!

chakula:

Confusion! Confusion!! Confusion!!! in Christianity.

So who are the real Xtians Mr Clown?

Pastor AIO:

Why are you confused?

chakula:

Because Mr clown was in doubt about the Pentecostals Chirstianship that is reason for my confusion.

was there any such thing as the LAW OF TITHING

Abeg, who are the Pentecostals?

The Clown:


Again, when they pray, they pray like the Pharisees, [b]shouting out loud above their voices and very verbose, repeating the same phrases over and over again, ignoring the Biblical directive that Christians should keep their prayers simple and without vain repetitions and raising of voices but quietly,[/b] so that the Father who everything in secret would give his reward in secret.
It was at the advent of penticostalism that things like [b]harlot-like dressing to Church, covering of hair[/b], Voodoo in the Church for the sake of miracles, Pastors frying their hairs becoming a sign of reverence and alot of things that were not hitherto associated with the Church atleast became the order of the day.
   
   

8This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

28But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. 29He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. 30And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. 31Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. 32For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Pastor AIO:

Why must this man make every thread about tithe? Is that your main source of income that you cannot let it rest for even a moment? Surely Christians are not defined by whether they tithe or not. Let me raise just 2 points out of many which would suggest that pentecostal practices are contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

AIO

why didnt you ask the poster why he included tithing as a scam amongst other things. When did paying tithe become only a 'Pentecostal Issue'. 

Like seriously have you had the time to ponder why tithing seem to be about the biggest issue amongst christians.  Why cant we just pay it atleast for the sake of our allegiance and obedience to Christ. I wonder why folks will deploy all their weapons to fight against it.

As for the Tithing-obsession, Broda i aint obsessed  , but once a victim of the lies and fallasies i got from folks here that gave me a million reasons why "tithing is no more relevant" when in essence it was still very much relevant  . at least the practise of tithing is working out for me  . And to add, tithing aint my source of income at least the last time i received my voucher it read. . . payee under Sahara energy resources  .cheers!