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Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 4:06pm On May 31, 2019
morpheus24:


If you didn't click on any of the links I posted

You are a complete dunce that cannot read nor understand written text properly.

I followed the links as a normal person usaually does, yet found nothing new than the normal gibberish that suggest that people should buy into your links version of history.

List your sources and their authors.

I have posted numerous links, videos, images, books and over fifty authors that support African history.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 4:11pm On May 31, 2019
morpheus24:


You are a vile and senseless Eurocentric bigot that cannot read nor understand written text properly.

Its either you post your argument with the relevant sources and authors or you can STFU and stop trolling the thred.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by morpheus24: 4:21pm On May 31, 2019
Amujale:


You are a vile and senseless Eurocentric bigot that cannot read nor understand written text properly.

Its either you post your argument with the relevant sources and authors or you can STFU and stop trolling the thred.


You think you are slick here.

What do you mean by post your argument?

Amujale's contention:
Africans populated the world 50 million years ago - no evidence shown

Africans populated the entire world - no time frame given.

Africans populated the Americas - evidence given Sertima video, video of Jamaican talking about Caribs, Book by Barton and a bust of Luzia showing African features and a bunch of European authors you cut and pasted from the internet that have nothing to do with your argument.


Morpheus contention;

The ancestors of Africans populated the world 100,000- 150,000 years ago

These first ancestors experienced genetic mutations, genetic drift and a recombination of other Humans that existed outside of Africa ie. Neanderthal and Denisovan

Africans did not populate the Americas. The bering straits brought at least two waves of immigrants to the Americas pre-Columbus. Genetic evidence with sources posted on Native American DNA studies pointing to haplogroups that tie to Asian populations

The bust of Luzia was done in 1990 where the cranio structure was thought to be that of a negroid/Melanasian but genetic tests on the the fossil of Luzia shows it clusters with that of Native Americans/Ameriindians from the first wave of Asians that came into America. Source was given.

Olodo!
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by morpheus24: 4:31pm On May 31, 2019
Morphues contention 1; Africans left the continent at least 100,000 to 150,000 yeas ago following possibly two paths. DNA evidence points to the population dispersals by tracking back mitochrondial DNA back to Africa with the oldest link residing in the Khoi people of Southern Africa L0


https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/africa-cradle-humanity1.htm

https://www.thoughtco.com/out-of-africa-hypothesis-172030

Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 10:30pm On May 31, 2019
morpheus24:
Morphues contention 1; Africans left the continent at least 100,000 to 150,000 yeas ago following possibly two paths. DNA evidence points to the population dispersals by tracking back mitochrondial DNA back to Africa with the oldest link residing in the Khoi people of Southern Africa L0


https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/africa-cradle-humanity1.htm

https://www.thoughtco.com/out-of-africa-hypothesis-172030


Try again.

The links you post are speculative at the best and outright gibberish at the very least.

Again I ask to to tell us your argument backed up with sources and their authors.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 10:34pm On May 31, 2019
morpheus24:


https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/africa-cradle-humanity1.htm

Below is the content of the above link:

“If you look hard enough, you'll find any number of theories about just where human beings originated -- and who knows? Maybe we really were banished from a Mesopotamian Garden of Eden, or we really did stumble out of a crashed spaceship. The prevailing theory among scientists, however, is that the first Homo sapiens evolved in Africa and, between 56,000 and 200,000 years ago, migrated into other lands.

Some anthropologists actually refer to this theory as the out of Africa II theory, as it involves a previous African exodus by tribes of Homo erectus, followed by the scattering of H. sapiens that eventually became human civilization. This wave of migration steadily washed over the entire world for tens of thousands of years. The pockets of primitive hominids, such as Neanderthals, eventually disappeared. Perhaps they weren't able to compete with H. sapiens for limited resources or weren't as capable of adapting to survive the constant rigors of a prehistoric Earth. To learn more, read How Human Migration Works.”

An hypothesis, a Eurocentric speculation.

A total lack of understanding.

A broken-biscuit and widely UnAfrican view of the world in every way shape or form.

The lack of the ability to admit the simple truth.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 10:38pm On May 31, 2019
morpheus24:


https://www.thoughtco.com/out-of-africa-hypothesis-172030

Below is an extract of the above link:


“The Out of Africa (OoA) or African Replacement Hypothesis is a well-supported theory that argues that every living human being is descended from a small group of Homo sapiens (abbreviated Hss) individuals in Africa, who then dispersed into the wider world meeting and displacing earlier forms such as Neanderthals and Denisovans.

Early major proponents of this theory were led by British paleontologist Chris Stringer and in direct opposition to scholars supporting the multiregional hypothesis, who argued that Hss evolved several times from Homo erectus in several regions”

An hypothesis, a Eurocentric speculation.

A total lack of understanding.

A broken-biscuit and widely UnAfrican view of the world in every way shape or form.

The lack of the ability to admit the simple truth.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 10:45pm On May 31, 2019
Amujale:



Try again.

The links you post are speculative at the best and outright gibberish at the very least.

Again I ask to to tell us your argument backed up with sources and their authors.



You clearly have been brainwashed to hate yourself beyond recognition.

I say you are wrong, the links you have posted are wrong and their arguments are based on flawed concepts as the extracts highlighted in my earlier post suggests.

Yet, a few links will not cut it, post their sources and the authors that conjure these so-called scientific theories.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by morpheus24: 10:47pm On May 31, 2019
Amujale:


Below is the content of the above link:

“If you look hard enough, you'll find any number of theories about just where human beings originated -- and who knows? Maybe we really were banished from a Mesopotamian Garden of Eden, or we really did stumble out of a crashed spaceship. The prevailing theory among scientists, however, is that the first Homo sapiens evolved in Africa and, between 56,000 and 200,000 years ago, migrated into other lands.

'Some anthropologists actually refer to this theory as the out of Africa II theory, as it involves a previous African exodus by tribes of Homo erectus, followed by the scattering of H. sapiens that eventually became human civilization. This wave of migration steadily washed over the entire world for tens of thousands of years. The pockets of primitive hominids, such as Neanderthals, eventually disappeared. Perhaps they weren't able to compete with H. sapiens for limited resources or weren't as capable of adapting to survive the constant rigors of a prehistoric Earth. To learn more, read How Human Migration Works.”

An hypothesis, a Eurocentric speculation.

A total lack of understanding.

A broken-biscuit and widely UnAfrican view of the world in every way shape or form.

The lack of the ability to admit the simple truth.


Olodo! Let me break down what that means since all you did was jabber about broken biscuits.


"If you look hard enough, you'll find any number of theories about just where human beings originated -- and who knows? Maybe we really were banished from a Mesopotamian Garden of Eden, or we really did stumble out of a crashed spaceship."

The author is referring here to the biblical narrative and the narratives of some who believe that aliens dropped their genetic code on this planet. Two of which are non scientific theories.

'The prevailing theory among scientists, however, is that the first Homo sapiens evolved in Africa and, between 56,000 and 200,000 years ago, migrated into other lands.'

The author here states what is widely held amongst all anthropologists including Sertima and Anta Diop as the time frame that Homo sapiens left Africa. Sertima simple designates them as Black/African people.


Some anthropologists actually refer to this theory as the out of Africa II theory, as it involves a previous African exodus by tribes of Homo erectus, followed by the scattering of H. sapiens that eventually became human civilization. This wave of migration steadily washed over the entire world for tens of thousands of years. The pockets of primitive hominids, such as Neanderthals, eventually disappeared. Perhaps they weren't able to compete with H. sapiens for limited resources or weren't as capable of adapting to survive the constant rigors of a prehistoric Earth. To learn more, read How Human Migration Works.”

What this states is that their was another hominid species Homo erectus or upright man were the first wave of archaic humans to populate the globe, some of them evolved into Homo Neaderthalensis and the others in Denisovans as opposed to Homo sapien- wise/intelligent man who evolved in Africa.

Homo sapien spread across the continents displacing the other homo species and absorbing some of their DNA in the process through interbreeding but the other species eventually are wiped out during this exodus and live only in the gene sequencing of non African peoples.

This idea is also shared by Cheik anta diop and Sertima as well.

You are an Olodo rapata!
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by morpheus24: 10:51pm On May 31, 2019
Amujale:


You clearly have been brainwashed to hate yourself beyond recognition.

I say you are wrong, the links you have posted are wrong and their arguments are based on flawed concepts as the ones highlighted above.

You say they are wrong yet you can't tell us why they are wrong.

Its like a Yoruba man telling us he doesn't like isi ewu but when you ask him haba why don't you like it he can't tell you why.

Olodo!
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by morpheus24: 10:58pm On May 31, 2019
Amujale:


Below is an extract of the above link:


“The Out of Africa (OoA) or African Replacement Hypothesis is a well-supported theory that argues that every living human being is descended from a small group of Homo sapiens (abbreviated Hss) individuals in Africa, who then dispersed into the wider world meeting and displacing earlier forms such as Neanderthals and Denisovans.

Early major proponents of this theory were led by British paleontologist Chris Stringer and in direct opposition to scholars supporting the multiregional hypothesis, who argued that Hss evolved several times from Homo erectus in several regions”

An hypothesis, a Eurocentric speculation.

A total lack of understanding.

A broken-biscuit and widely UnAfrican view of the world in every way shape or form.

The lack of the ability to admit the simple truth.


Olodo. This same theory is what Sertima, Barton and Anta diop use, the only difference is Sertima believed that humans from Africa sailed to the new world when in fact the original inhabitants of that continent only could have come from Melenasia or the bering strait crossing.

You did not refute the above info you simply said it was wrong.

What makes it incorrect

Why is it wrong

If the eurocentrics say this , what do the Africanist say about this.

Refute, stop making blank statements

OLODO!

Olodo!
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 11:14pm On May 31, 2019
morpheus24:
...

Post the sources for your viewpoints, as been established that you have none.

Post the authors that verify these viewpoints.

There’s no mainstream academic that buys into “Out of Africa 2” and the additional gibberish that you’re link talks about.

Your sources are a bunch of Eurocentric bigots that have already been defeated in an international debate by the combined effort of Dr Hendrik Clarke and Martin Bernal.

You are peddling a defeated argument.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 11:35pm On May 31, 2019
Here is morpheus24 source:

Grabianowski, Ed. "How Human Migration Works." Dec. 27, 2007. (May 1, 2009)https://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution/human-migration.htm

Defeated argument.

From way back in early 2009 their hypothesis was comprehensively defeated by Dr Hendrik Clarke and Professor Martin Bernal in what is popularly chastised as “The Great Debate”.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 12:02am On Jun 01, 2019
morpheus24:

...

If the premise of an hypothesis is deemed to be wrong, then the conclusion is said also to be wrong.

The difference between African historians, scholars and academics and their Eurocentric counterparts with regards African history is as follows;

Africans base their studies on genuine research and analytical processes whilst Eurocentric’s base theirs on false premise and disingenuous speculation.

Dr Cheikh Anta Diop’s and Dr Ivan Sertima ‘s conclusion are used everywhere in the world today.

Proving beyond reasonable doubt that “They Came. Before Columbus”.

Their combined effort contains within them various scientific, analytical and visual proof:

Tobacco (Nicotiana tabacum) from the Americas found in the stomach of mummified African royalty. Tested and proven to be accurate.

Cotton from the Americas present in the green houses of African royal families. Tested and proven to be accurate.

According to Dr. David Imhotep, the author behind the book “The First Americans Were Africans: Documented Evidence,” “Egyptian artifacts found across North America from the Algonquin writings on the East Coast to the artifacts and Egyptian place names in the Grand Canyon” are all signs of an early arrival in the Americas by Africans. This is also paired with a much earlier account of Black people with incredible skills at sea. Back in 445 B.C.E, the Greek historian Herodotus wrote of King Ramses III leading a team of Africans at sea with astounding seafaring and navigational skills.

A Polish professor called Andrzej Wiercinski revealed the discovery of African skulls at Olmec sites in Tlatilco, Cerro de las Mesas and Monte Alban.


Some people insist that Africans couldn’t have made it to the New World first simply because they didn’t have the skill and resources to sail across the Atlantic.

As it turns out, that’s completely false. Historians have discovered evidence that suggests Africans were masters at building ships and that it was actually a part of their tradition.

Shipbuilding and sailing are over 20,000 years old in the Sahara, and cave wall paintings of ancient ships were displayed
in National Geographic magazine years ago.

With those shipbuilding skills and the navigation skills that were noted by other historians of the time, the myth that Africans wouldn’t have been able to sail to the New World becomes officially debunked.

As Dr. Julian Whitewright, a maritime archaeologist at the University of Southampton, explained, the voyage from Africa on ancient ships was “quite a plausible undertaking, based on the capabilities of the vessel of the period and historical material stating it took place.”

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Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by frankolu123: 1:45pm On Jun 05, 2019
Native Americans are still victimised today. Such a pity I feel sorry for them.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by seppuku: 5:40pm On Jun 05, 2019
Amujale:
Here is morpheus24 source:

Grabianowski, Ed. "How Human Migration Works." Dec. 27, 2007. (May 1, 2009)https://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution/human-migration.htm

Defeated argument.

From way back in early 2009 their hypothesis was comprehensively defeated by Dr Hendrik Clarke and Professor Martin Bernal in what is popularly chastised as “The Great Debate”.


Hmmmm
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by morpheus24: 5:42pm On Jun 05, 2019
Amujale:
Here is morpheus24 source:

Grabianowski, Ed. "How Human Migration Works." Dec. 27, 2007. (May 1, 2009)https://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution/human-migration.htm

Defeated argument.

From way back in early 2009 their hypothesis was comprehensively defeated by Dr Hendrik Clarke and Professor Martin Bernal in what is popularly chastised as “The Great Debate”.


you are just dropping names here now Dr Hendrick Clarke is a historian and not an anthropologist or geneticist. He made no comments that I have come across that have to do with the origins of man in the Americas.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 11:17pm On Jun 05, 2019
morpheus24:


Dr Hendrick Clarke is a historian and not an anthropologist or geneticist. He made no comments that I have come across that have to do with the origins of man in the Americas.

You continue to sound unintelligent.

Dr Hendrik Clarke is an historian.

And what is it that I refer to here?

Is it not history?

And you are completely wrong about Dr Clarke, as he is probably amongst the first African historians to identify the fact that Africans are present in the Americas before the arrival of Columbus.

Dr Hendrik Clarke is the person to coin the ‘Establishment’s bias views on African history as Eurocentric.

Have you read any of his books?

Listened to any of his lectures?

Study his works?

What are you on about?

Dr Hendrik Clarke isnt merely an historian, with extraordinary success in his chosen fields of academics, especially World History, for me, Dr Clarke is arguably one of the greatest intellectuals of our time.

You continue to justify my conclusion on your type, by making these unqualified remarks when everyone knows that you know not what you talk about here.

What is your argument?

Who are your sources?

And what are the names of the authors that back these Eurocentric views?
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 11:20pm On Jun 05, 2019
Amujale:
Here is morpheus24 source:

Grabianowski, Ed. "How Human Migration Works." Dec. 27, 2007. (May 1, 2009)https://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution/human-migration.htm

Defeated argument.

From way back in early 2009 their hypothesis was comprehensively defeated by Dr Hendrik Clarke and Professor Martin Bernal in what is popularly chastised as “The Great Debate”.


You are peddling a defeated argument.

Try again.

Or better still, just accept the mere fact that African historians are correct with our determinations with regards to history.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 2:49am On Jun 08, 2019
If the premise of an hypothesis is deemed to be wrong, then the conclusion is said also to be wrong.

The difference between African historians, scholars and academics and their Eurocentric counterparts with regards African history is as follows;

Africans base their studies on genuine research and analytical processes whilst Eurocentric’s base theirs on false premise and disingenuous speculation.

Dr Cheikh Anta Diop’s and Dr Ivan Sertima ‘s conclusion are used everywhere in the world today.

Proving beyond reasonable doubt that “They Came. Before Columbus”.

Their combined effort contains within them various scientific, analytical and visual proof:

Tobacco (Nicotiana tabacum) from the Americas found in the stomach of mummified African royalty. Tested and proven to be accurate.

Cotton from the Americas present in the green houses of African royal families. Tested and proven to be accurate.

According to Dr. David Imhotep, the author behind the book “The First Americans Were Africans: Documented Evidence,” “Egyptian artifacts found across North America from the Algonquin writings on the East Coast to the artifacts and Egyptian place names in the Grand Canyon” are all signs of an early arrival in the Americas by Africans. This is also paired with a much earlier account of Black people with incredible skills at sea. Back in 445 B.C.E, the Greek historian Herodotus wrote of King Ramses III leading a team of Africans at sea with astounding seafaring and navigational skills.

A Polish professor called Andrzej Wiercinski revealed the discovery of African skulls at Olmec sites in Tlatilco, Cerro de las Mesas and Monte Alban.


Some people insist that Africans couldn’t have made it to the New World first simply because they didn’t have the skill and resources to sail across the Atlantic.

As it turns out, that’s completely false. Historians have discovered evidence that suggests Africans are masters at building ships and that it was actually a part of their tradition.

Shipbuilding and sailing are over 20,000 years old in the Sahara, and cave wall paintings of ancient ships were displayed
in National Geographic magazine years ago.

With those shipbuilding skills and the navigation skills that were noted by other historians of the time, the myth that Africans wouldn’t have been able to sail to the New World becomes officially debunked.

As Dr. Julian Whitewright, a maritime archaeologist at the University of Southampton, explained, the voyage from Africa on ancient ships was “quite a plausible undertaking, based on the capabilities of the vessel of the period and historical material stating it took place.”
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by morpheus24: 6:55am On Jun 10, 2019
Amujale


Can you point to the African in the pic below. Please do not dodge this question.

If you point to the African, tell us why you chose that particular pic as an African person.

Once you address this issue we can move forward with all the points you have enumerated.

IF you don't answer it will be deemed that you are afraid to move this discussion along.

Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 11:57am On Jun 11, 2019
Amujale:

If the premise of an hypothesis is deemed to be wrong, then the conclusion is said also to be wrong.

The difference between African historians, scholars and academics and their Eurocentric counterparts with regards African history is as follows;

Africans base their studies on genuine research and analytical processes whilst Eurocentric’s base theirs on false premise and disingenuous speculation.

Dr Cheikh Anta Diop’s and Dr Ivan Sertima ‘s conclusion are used everywhere in the world today.

Proving beyond reasonable doubt that “They Came. Before Columbus”.

Their combined effort contains within them various scientific, analytical and visual proof:

Tobacco (Nicotiana tabacum) from the Americas found in the stomach of mummified African royalty. Tested and proven to be accurate.

Cotton from the Americas present in the green houses of African royal families. Tested and proven to be accurate.

According to Dr. David Imhotep, the author behind the book “The First Americans Were Africans: Documented Evidence,” “Egyptian artifacts found across North America from the Algonquin writings on the East Coast to the artifacts and Egyptian place names in the Grand Canyon” are all signs of an early arrival in the Americas by Africans. This is also paired with a much earlier account of Black people with incredible skills at sea. Back in 445 B.C.E, the Greek historian Herodotus wrote of King Ramses III leading a team of Africans at sea with astounding seafaring and navigational skills.

A Polish professor called Andrzej Wiercinski revealed the discovery of African skulls at Olmec sites in Tlatilco, Cerro de las Mesas and Monte Alban.


Some people insist that Africans couldn’t have made it to the New World first simply because they didn’t have the skill and resources to sail across the Atlantic.

As it turns out, that’s completely false. Historians have discovered evidence that suggests Africans are masters at building ships and that it was actually a part of their tradition.

Shipbuilding and sailing are over 20,000 years old in the Sahara, and cave wall paintings of ancient ships were displayed
in National Geographic magazine years ago.

With those shipbuilding skills and the navigation skills that were noted by other historians of the time, the myth that Africans wouldn’t have been able to sail to the New World becomes officially debunked.

As Dr. Julian Whitewright, a maritime archaeologist at the University of Southampton, explained, the voyage from Africa on ancient ships was “quite a plausible undertaking, based on the capabilities of the vessel of the period and historical material stating it took place.”
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 12:09pm On Jun 11, 2019
Generically, all black people are African and all indegenous Africans are black, brown or bronze.

Currently, Africans cut across the global divide. As in, Africans are blacksic brown, bronze, orentialsic and whitesic.


The history of the Americas is riddled with misinformation, false assertions and false concepts.

Everyone that studies African history knows that Africans are the original founders of The Americas, North, South and Central.

History doesnt lie.

People lie and make up false versions of history.

Why does Mexico speak the Spanish language?

Who are the indegenous Mexicans?

The indegenous Mexicans are known to us as these distinct groups; Afro-Mexicans and the Asian-Mexicans.

Europeans colonised The Americas on various sepearate occasions.

Central was largely colonised by Spain and other Europeans. They are the "model" Central American and are in the same group as the European-Mexican.

North America was largely colonised by Britain and other Europeans.

On both occasions of different periods in history, according to their own records, African communities are always said to be present.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 12:15pm On Jun 11, 2019
Afro-Mexicans are also called Black Mexicans and are both the indegenous Mexicans and the total amount of the population that both identify themselves as having, and history identifies them as having African heritage.
Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 2:23pm On Jun 11, 2019
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Re: CNN:Europeans Killed So Many Native Americans That It Changed The Global Climate by Amujale(m): 2:47pm On Jun 11, 2019
Because of the great carpet destruction of evidence in major African cities & libraries, we have been forced to put up with the Eurocentric version of historical events especially the assumption that Africans are always stagnant.

Its time to accept Africas role in the development of human existence and civilisation as a whole.

The first pyramid to appear at Leventa is in the Americas.

Black Africans, West Africans are said to be associated with the "Olmec" an ancient civilization that existed during the Egyptian dynastic times. There are massive statues found in South America known as the "Collossal Heads" that depict black African warriors in military gear.

Ancient Egyptians are Africans, Nubianssic (Nubians are powerful, wealthy and intelligient people who controlled large territories along the Nile) that called the land KM.T; the first pharoahs had pure African blood, furthermore, Piankhi, Shabaka I, Shakatak, Taharka and Tanutamun are all black Africans.

For more information read:

They Came Before Columbus: The African Presence in Ancient America by Ivan Van Sertima.

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