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Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by patrickmuf(m): 1:14pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
diggz:That's why I say restructuring is not the problem because from the 13% derivation shared to oil producing states, we have not seen anything to warrant that we join the clamor for restructuring. Imagine Bayelsa and Delta states saying 30k is too much for them...Na ogun go finish them Las Las. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by diggz: 1:18pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
patrickmuf: All south south states have no excuse...even without the 13% derivation...those states can still function properly if half the imbec1les we call leaders know what they are doing. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 1:30pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
alright 1 Like |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by daddyfreeman1(m): 1:47pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
Am I the one that killed Jesus to read all this trash said by a shithole |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by bluefilm: 2:11pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
OP take note, The Trouble with Nigeria was published in 1983, not 2000. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by KENFERDYOORI(m): 2:21pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
Achebe's was a perspective, yours is also a perspective. This isn't a case for debate. 1 Like |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by ogongogames(m): 2:39pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
This debate reminds me of the "who came first, the chicken or the egg?". Whilst poor leadership has been a major hindrance to Nigeria's development, were these politicians not born and raised in Nigeria? In fact I suspect that if you put the common man in a position of authority he will do no better. The issue goes deeper than "poor leadership" rather comes down to the psyche and mentality growing up in today's Nigeria. Until values of society are completely realigned, the same cycle will continue. It will take generations to solve Nigeria's ills. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by badman007(m): 2:41pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
Religion made us bad.. We forgot how to love and truly care for one another. Refocus the priority from appearing holy to just been simply good decent people. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by bayelsaowei(m): 2:47pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
sweetrace:I would continue to heap that blame on our almalgamtion with the core core north till they start thinking that rulership does not belong to them.. with the core north with us we cant reason towards true federalism ... without the core north the whole quota system gibberish would be a thing of the past.. how do we stop millions of zombies in the north from voting a calamity like Buhari?? Tell me.. 1 Like |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by Delivar(m): 2:58pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
vidicsky:Buhari's leadership has been bad and we still have many people supporting him. How do you explain that? |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by Delivar(m): 3:01pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
NwanyiAwkaetiti:It might take 1500 years to be honest. That's if the world will still exist by then. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by Delivar(m): 3:04pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
xynerise:The percentage of dumb people is lower among the educated and very high with the uneducated in places like the North. So it's still a problem of lack education among the masses. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by Delivar(m): 3:15pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
lastempero:Why would the government care to guide the masses accordingly when the masses don't even care that the government doesn't care? 2 Likes |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by Delivar(m): 3:17pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
martineverest:The masses are still responsible even during military regimes because nothing stops the people from revolting and driving out the military dictator. 2 Likes |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by Delivar(m): 3:22pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
John343:Then why do Nigerians always generate bad leaders? Don't you think there is a problem with the masses from where the leaders come from? 2 Likes |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by AllenSpencer: 4:05pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
Would have made a 3rd class in the university if I could read the long epistle. That's a textbook you composed up there. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by olaboy1: 4:07pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
aishapmbtoto: And the leadership just magically appeared in office without the support of the masses. You are the problem the writer is talking about. 2 Likes |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by 3kay945(m): 4:12pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
hakeem4: Nope!... it is the rulers either past or present. They have systematically made the populace gullible, weak in reasoning, poor, selfish and wicked to one another. All these were been achieved through past and present constitutions , policies, religion , ethnicity, federal character etc. Mind you , all these factors attributing to the problems as a whole didn't manifest now but have been since the stupid independence we had. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by 3kay945(m): 4:15pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
olaboy1: How do you convince millions of illiterate/semi, docile and religious bigot youth not to vote for either Buhari or Atiku? It's the government that has failed the society they use all the machinery of coercion to their own(politicians and cronies) advantage at the detriment of the masses they sworn to protect. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by olaboy1: 4:27pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
3kay945: How about many of my highly educated friends whose children are not guaranteed free healthcare or good schools, but they baselessly support Buhari or Atiku. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by 3kay945(m): 4:29pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
If you can control the thinking of the people then you need not to worry about their action. That's exactly what the politicians employed and has been effectively utilised. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by 3kay945(m): 4:41pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
olaboy1: Some folks just want to be realistic, meaning as at now we all know PDP and APC are the two contenders. And since majority wins the votes, whether they are dumb, illiterate, religiously motivated etc wont matter. Many wont want to pitch their tents where mammoths crowd is not available. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by Kingspin(m): 5:10pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
It was and is the political leaders that started the problem, division and hatred in our country before they spread them to poison the masses. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by Kingspin(m): 5:15pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
OkpaNsukkaisBae:It is what the leaders do scroll down to the masses. Achebe is very correct. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by Deadlytruth(m): 5:21pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
bayelsaowei: We need to be very factual when we speak. I am a Southerner who grew up in a home environment where the default perception was that Northerners caused the amalgamation to happen for their selfish interest, and also destroyed federalism to the enthronement of this quota system. For the first 22 years of my life I carried that impression in my head and hated Northerners in my mind. I never knew I was a victim of psychic manipulation from a background environment which was nearly composed of people who were themselves ignoramuses of the issues about which they so much made assertions with authority. It was in my university final year days I stumbled on books in my school library's reference section in which I was shocked to discover that 95% of the problem of faulty structure we all now complain of were architected by Southerners due to pure greed. The so-much-talked-about amalgamation was done by the colonial masters without concrete/formal consent of any of the tribes native to Nigeria. However, you may be shocked to be told that Northerners were first to later realize that it was more of evil than good hence were the first to start calling for its reversal. Ahmadu Bello, the Premier of Northern Region, was the first to rechristen it "The mistake of 1914". This earned him a lot of bashing and name calling from the Southern Political elite who deprecated and frustrated all his proposals for de-amalgamation. At a point he made a case for the separation of North and South into two countries at the point of independence, but was equally resisted by the southern elite particularly those from today's SE. As the North's paramount political leader he was harrassed and armtwisted into being part of Nigeria against his will, and ended up being killed by a Southerner. Put yourself in the shoes of Northerners and see if you'll ever love southerners. As for federalism; All records in the annals of history clearly show that the genuinely federal structure we started with at independence was first disrupted by a Southerner (Aguiyi Ironsi) on the advice of an committee 100% composed of Southerners headed by the same Professor Nwabueze currently, albeit hypocriticaly, calling for restructuring today without having told us why his committee destroyed the very structure he now desires in the first instance. Northerners twice sent a delegation to beg Ironsi to leave the federal constiution alone and focus rather on addressing the issues which triggered the coup. But he arrogantly refused and told them that he couldn't govern well if he didn't tamper with the key provisions which defined the very federal nature of the constiution. Mind you that no member of the public, be it from the North or South, at that time complained about the constiution let alone ask for its review. Even the southern politicians who were at the receiving end of the crisis of the moment didn't see constiutional amendment as solution to the crisis. Moreover, the crisis in question was caused by abuse of power by the Balewa-controlled central government by way of rigging of censuses, re-regging of the reruns, rigging of the 1965 elections in the Western Region and illegal interference in the purely internal affairs of the Western Region. So if at all the constiution deserved ammendment, it should have been towards further weakening the center to forestall a recurrence of the center's abuse of power and the attendant crisis. But Aguiyi Ironsi chose to criminally amend the constiution in such a way that further concentrated powers at the center thus giving rise to a situation whereby the tribe or region which successfully clinches power at the center has absolute power over all others hence all these quota system, etc. Northerners only fought back and took advantage of the political domination which Southerners too had in mind against them. 2 Likes |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by Kingspin(m): 5:21pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
bayelsaowei:The north need the sense more than any |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by Nobody: 5:31pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
ayukdaboss: "There is the art of the demagogue, and there is the art of what may be called, by a shot-gun marriage of Latin and Greek, the demaslave. They are complementary, and both of them are degrading to their practitioners. The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. The demaslave is one who listens to what these idiots have to say and then pretends that he believes it himself. Every man who seeks elective office under democracy has to be either the one thing or the other and most men have to be both. The whole process is one of false pretences and ignoble concealments. No educated man stating plainly the elementary notions that every educated man holds about the matters that principally concern government, could be elected to office in a democratic state, save perhaps by a miracle. His frankness would arouse fears, and those fears would run against him; it is his business to arouse fears that will run in favour of him. Worse, he must not only consider the weaknesses of the mob, but also the prejudices of the minorities that prey upon it. Some of these minorities have developed a highly efficient technique of intimidation. They not only know how to arouse the fears of the mob; they also know how to awaken its envy, its dislike of privilege, its hatred of its betters." (Henry Mencken, Disease of Democracy) |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by SOLOMOURINHO92(m): 6:56pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
Your points are lucid and concise, ur analysis is an extension of prof view of the structure of the Nigerian society. kudos 1 Like |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by GreatrAnalyst: 10:07pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
SHABZ: That's a good analogy you put up here, but do you know that the 'KPIs' or set target you mentioned, can be likened to a dream or a manifesto of a 'leader' leading a group of people. Organizations have leaders/or managers if you would call them that, that's why they could even have targets(KPIs) in the first place. Now, when targets are not met, it has consequences. The consequences now depend on the laid down rules/laws. Thinking very well about it, you would see that the 'rules' can be likened to laws and justice system in a setting, or a country. My submission is this, while followers too have their share of blame, leadership is always the owner of the biggest blame in a faulty system. Our laws exist, but how many of those laws have been justifiably used to put corrupt leaders behind the bars(that's what has helped China till today), why is the same law which deals with followers who break the law is excusable for the leaders who is meant to uphold same laws? It is leadership question. When company is lacking compass, energy and drive, it has been taught in leadership classes that the best solution which has been proven again and again to be true is to fire the head/manager. That's the power of leadership which we have not really enjoyed in this part of the world except for those we read about on pages in other countries in better climes. It is true that we have politicians as heads, but they are not really leaders. Do you know that even in advanced countries, leaders can by themselves resign from their position because they feel that people are not feeling their impacts or not fulfilling mandates...not in Nigeria. They will rather die there, with similar dumbasses-followers ready to die for them. Followers are who they are because of who the leaders have presented themselves to be. Look in a football team, no matter how good a team is, it most importantly needs a very good coach (leader) too. The buck always stops with the leader. |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by GreatrAnalyst: 10:29pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
ogongogames: You got me by the chicken and egg analogy, I first thought of it too when trying to analyse this post. Thanks for believing in good values. But come to think of it, individuals come from families right? But you would agree that what a kind of leadership is, is what will make or mar the humans coming out of any family? We have both positive and negative examples all around us. Now apply it to society, society can do little where there are no sane authorities keeping human activities in shape and under control, even including the authorities themselves. The good news is that we have authorities and laws, the bad news, very bad news, is that the authorities are irresponsible with the law. Just like before you would blame a spoilt child alone leaving the progenitors out of the blame, so also is when you make the society blame-worthy, but exonerating the authorities meant to guide and nurture to a better society. So bad it is that on the part of the authorities, they even bend the power and laws to their taste so as to perpetuate themselves and their kinds in the place of power! Before we blame the children from a family, can we examine first the parents, before we blame Nigerians, can we look back in history if we have ever had a leader so willing to let power go when people perceive him to be ineffective just by himself? |
Re: I Disagree With Chinua Achebe, The Trouble With Nigeria Is Not Politicians, But by TruthinAction: 11:07pm On Feb 03, 2019 |
Nigeria has both leadership and followership crises. The leaders are corrupt and the followers are gullible because of their poverty stricken condition. |
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