salamsm:

This is beginning to feel like a treadmill, feels like im conducting a therapy session for others or something.

Anyway this is my list post on this topic. Good luck to y'all in how you choose to live your lives and best of luck.

If I may add, don't go around berating Nigeria for self-gratification or to get an ego-trip.

Thanks

treadmill ke ? you only have 27 posts. you need stamina to roll with the knuckleheads up in hurr. i am on 900 and something but about 800 of those was during the worldcup. i was the most obnoxious user during the world cup

yke-D actually I was not saying intelligence and  education are the same. I was trying to point out the fact that Intelligence and Education both involve knowledge. Knowledge is acquired in many ways.

Yeah, people go to other countries for different reasons, but y'all paint a picture of Nigeria like Nigeria its Afghanistan or Baghdad.  

Example is when you say such things like "a poo hole where most of its citizens are surviving and living by God's grace."

It gives that impression like you are better off than most Nigerians or other countries are far better than Nigerians living at home.
Absolutely not!

I was in UK and i've been back in Nigeria since 2009. Never looked back since then and so have numerous friends of mine.

@salamsm

You sound like a reasonable guy. My intent was never to say Nigeria is the same as Baghdad or Afghanistan.  If you review my
posts, not once did I say "we are better off" than most Nigerians.  My argument has been against those who make sweeping statements like those abroad that do not want to return back are either suffering or have been bain-washed (colo-mentality).

Having said that, I know where I rather send my kids to school and where I will like to be if I am sick. I wouldn't want to deal
with the hassle of generators, fuel scarcity, bore hole, etc. That's just my personal preference after living here almost 20 years.
That said, I often wish I had more "HEAVY CASH FLOW" to spend on just "buying" things - True Religion, Gucci, Polo, bottles of
Moet, and the likes.

Unfortunately, that's not my reality for now and I am ok with that because the things I have mentioned earlier are truly more important to me than the personal effects I will like to buy, even though living here get also get very stressful. The fact is people
die way too you in Nigeria from a lot of preventable causes than not.

Iyke-D:

@salamsm

You sound like a reasonable guy. My intent was never to say Nigeria is the same as Baghdad or Afghanistan.  If you review my
posts, not once did I say "we are better off" than most Nigerians.  My argument has been against those who make sweeping statements like those abroad that do not want to return back are either suffering or have been bain-washed (colo-mentality).

Having said that, I know where I rather send my kids to school and where I will like to be if I am sick. I wouldn't want to deal
with the hassle of generators, fuel scarcity, bore hole, etc. That's just my personal preference after living here almost 20 years.
That said, I often wish I had more "HEAVY CASH FLOW" to spend on just "buying" things - True Religion, Gucci, Polo, bottles of
Moet, and the likes.

Unfortunately, that's not my reality for now and I am ok with that because the things I have mentioned earlier are truly more important to me than the personal effects I will like to buy, even though living here get also get very stressful. The fact is people
die way too you in Nigeria from a lot of preventable causes than not.

i can respect this post. you are a very reasonable guy. i hope i dont come across as loquacious and belligerent but its all in fun right ?

i think it all comes down to economic perspectives here. your negativity induced by your mushin outlook is very understandable. but trest assured that this is only your experience

@buzugee, I believe this Ada, with all due respects, must have had a very challenging experience in Nigeria. Whew!! Sorry! I have heard of people who were so challenged, they used left over flakes of abandoned bath soap as toothpaste. It can be rough here. I also saw one Nigerian in one very fashionable European city hawking toy snakes in temps of -2 deg cent. Life can be sad.

buzugee:

just because you lived in mushin when you were in naija doesn't make everyones experience the same as yours. if you ask sasha obama what her opinion of america is, she will have glowing things to say. but go to the hood and ask the kids their opinion of america then you will get a scathing report.
i think it all comes down to economic perspectives here. your negativity induced by your mushin outlook is very understandable. but rest assured that this is only your experience 

too funny - so cos i see poverty around me it means i live is mushin - don't even know where that is (almost got confused with the muslin squares i bought today- anyway i digress) - are u telling me that people living in lekki and ikoyi never see people hawking - u think obama's kids are not aware of ghettos in the states. u think when i was sitting in my AC'd car being driven around PH makes me blind to the plight of the poor, u make me laugh in french.

i'm sure the worse and best university's in this country can provide their students with taps to wash their hands and hostels where students can use the toilet and flush - we all know that many hostels in unis back home struggle to provide this - oh i forgot the private university again that the majority attend are up to world class standard hence we have the influx of foreign students killing themselves to get a degree here.

someone has a difference of opinion and as a typical Nigerian u try and insult someone on a monetary level. and then one wonders why i don't want my child exposed to this mentality.

gosh i'm sounding so defensive, anyway i know life is not fair and there will always be rich and poor in any society but I personally do not like the level of poverty in Nigeria it is disturbing on too many levels and has left the people open to all sorts of manipulation and frustrations and decay of morals. I really don't know why people seem happy to say that there are private unis/schools and top private hospitals and gated communities and the like and think its ok that people are dying of simple illnesses - come on people it is not right and deep down u know it.

duly noted Iyke-D.

I believe we are all reasonable. Maybe some more than others. Naah just joking. We're all right.

That was my penultimate post. This is the last one!

dTouch:

@buzugee, I believe this Ada, with all due respects, must have had a very challenging experience in Nigeria. Whew!! Sorry! I have heard of people who were so challenged, they used left over flakes of abandoned bath soap as toothpaste. It can be rough here. I also saw one Nigerian in one very fashionable European city hawking toy snakes in temps of -2 deg cent. Life can be sad.

oh yeah that gurl ada sounds like she was hawking ice water on the streets of badagry expressway when she was 2 years old
dayummmmm hawking toy snakes in -2 deg ? let me guess ? in spain ?

Iyke-D I don't think anyone will be loosing any sleep if you never come back to Nigeria. I have met similar people like you back in the UK. All they see is the negativity in Nigeria they say absurd things like Nigeria has no hope, i think it's called pessimistic view. Then I have met others that are quite similar who see nothing but negativity in Nigeria (Africa as they may call it), only difference is that they are white.

I watch the NBA and I see a Nigerian decent playing, and im elated; Im watching Soccer and I see Nigerians playing, makes me proud.

God made us all Nigerians for reasons known only to God. We can accept it or not, but we don't have to berate or debase those that choose to remain Nigerians and represent the nation

Oh wow, you think you know me so well now. I have also met many like you. They don't want to talk or acknowledge any of the negative stuff about Nigeria. Hey, lets pretend everything is great. I promise to forget that the money I invested in the Nigerian stock market 4 years ago, is half of the original amount invested today. I promise to forget that I believed in the idea of Transcorp and invested in it in the hope that Nigeria will soon produce a truly global company that could potentially employ thousands of Nigerians. How wrong was I?  Hey, its still all good. Frankly, after a while a negative pattern emerges and its just hard to ignore.

I am not trying to berate anyone (why are you guys so defensive?), it may also help if you ask that people don't berate those in
the Diaspora for their choosing to remain there.

ada24:

too funny - so cos i see poverty around me it means i live is mushin - don't even know where that is (almost got confused with the muslin squares i bought today- anyway i digress) - are u telling me that people living in lekki and ikoyi never see people hawking - u think obama's kids are not aware of ghettos in the states. u think when i was sitting in my AC'd car being driven around PH makes me blind to the plight of the poor, u make me laugh in french.

i'm sure the worse and best university's in this country can provide their students with taps to wash their hands and hostels where students can use the toilet and flush - we all know that many hostels in unis back home struggle to provide this - oh i forgot the private university again that the majority attend are up to world class standard hence we have the influx of foreign students killing themselves to get a degree here.

someone has a difference of opinion and as a typical Nigerian u try and insult someone on a monetary level. and then one wonders why i don't want my child exposed to this mentality.

what your child shouldnt be exposed to is your mentality. dont confuse that poor child with your mentality

Anyway this is my last post on this topic as it is getting out of hand. Good luck to y'all in how you choose to live your lives and best of luck.

If I may add, don't go around berating Nigeria for self-gratification or to get an ego-trip.

Salamsm, Salamsm, Salamsm. how many times i call you? Don't you dare quit. why now? Hang on before the nay sayers think they are predominant.

dTouch:

Salamsm, Salamsm, Salamsm. how many times i call you? Don't you dare quit. why now? Hang on before the nay sayers think they are predominant.

righttttttttt ? salam get your butt in here right now and lets fight the good fight for the motherland arise o compatriots nigeria call, obey

righttttttttt ? salam get your butt in here right now and lets fight the good fight for the motherland Grin arise o compatriots nigeria call, obey

abi NEPA or PHCN dont strike?

lol don't wanna get on Iyke-D's bad side so he won't turn me away when I come visiting the states.

typical,

i don tire for una

u all are right - naija is the best country in the world!! everyone is enjoying their life.

Iyke-D:

abi NEPA or PHCN dont strike?

  salam done go buy diesel for the generator   hence his departure

lol don't wanna get on Iyke-D's bad side so he won't turn me away when I come visiting the states.

You are good guy, you are always welcome to the states.  Nigeria is still "home", but, (:

Bull crap all over the place.

So the reason you wont come home is because of electricity, good roads, security, burger, Tesco, petrol, and many nonsense stuff like that?

Stay there, maybe after 67 years over there, you will have a change of mind. The issue is that many hide behind social infrastructures to deceive themselves rather than face the facts:

1. Will you be able to fit in with the people you left behind who are now far above you?

2. Will you have enough money to even rent a house in Nigeria where you will have to pay two years in advance compared to abroad where you only pay one month deposit?

3. What work will you be doing when in most cases it is menial jobs that you do to get bye abroad? Can you clean toilets in Naija if that is what you honourably do abroad?

4. In Naija, there is class system, if you come back home, and you dont have enough to live the abroad life in Naija, then which class will you belong?

5. Have you made enough money to set up a viable business to sustain you and your abroad lifestyle?


I can go on and on, but someone will deceive him or herself and say, oh, I cant go back because of NEPA, because of Mosquito, because of the HEAT- but then, others came back to start businesses and are earning more than they could ever have earned living abroad.

ada24:

typical,

i don tire for una

u all are right - naija is the best country in the world!! everyone is enjoying their life.

you know it is.  

@labiyemmy:

Bull crap all over the place.

So the reason you wont come home is because of electricity, good roads, security, burger, Tesco, petrol, and many nonsense stuff like that?

Stay there, maybe after 67 years over there, you will have a change of mind. The issue is that many hide behind social infrastructures to deceive themselves rather than face the facts:

1. Will you be able to fit in with the people you left behind who are now far above you?

2. Will you have enough money to even rent a house in Nigeria where you will have to pay two years in advance compared to abroad where you only pay one month deposit?

3. What work will you be doing when in most cases it is menial jobs that you do to get bye abroad? Can you clean toilets in Naija if that is what you honourably do abroad?

4. In Naija, there is class system, if you come back home, and you dont have enough to live the abroad life in Naija, then which class will you belong?

5. Have you made enough money to set up a viable business to sustain you and your abroad lifestyle?


I can go on and on, but someone will deceive him or herself and say, oh, I cant go back because of NEPA, because of Mosquito, because of the HEAT- but then, others came back to start businesses and are earning more than they could ever have earned living abroad.

strong points.

@ Ada, Please be informed that for 4 weeks without interruption Nepa was cool in my area of PH. . You can even observe there are just a few, very few pot holes here. Highjacking and kidnapping is on the decline. Does this sound encouraging? You can hold off coming until we a/c the airport road. hehehe

@labiyemmy,

Are you referring to  your own bull crap on mine? Is it my choice or yours to decide whether I should submit
myself to more mosquito raids or not?


You are right, after 67 years, I might just be willing to return. Come to think of it, why would I want to return
to living among people with your kind of mind sets? Class system? Oh well, I might as well stay behind and
collect my Social Security checks, after all why would I want to live the "abroad lifestyle" in Nigeria. You got to
be kidding!

dTouch:

@ Ada, Please be informed that for 4 weeks without interruption Nepa was cool in my area of PH. . You can even observe there are just a few, very few pot holes here. Highjacking and kidnapping is on the decline. Does this sound encouraging? You can hold off coming until we a/c the airport road. hehehe

Iyke-D:

@labiyemmy,

Are you referring to  your own bull crap on mine? Is it my choice or yours to decide whether I should submit
myself to more mosquito raids or not?


You are right, after 67 years, I might just be willing to return. Come to think of it, why would I want to return
to living among people with your kind of mind sets? Class system? Oh well, I might as well stay behind and
collect my Social Security checks, after all why would I want to live the "abroad lifestyle" in Nigeria. You got to
be kidding!

you know your social security checks will spend better in nigeria right ? 'daddy america' that will be ya nickname amongst the local folks when you come to retire from america to nigeria at the age of 70

you know your social security checks will spend better in nigeria right ? 'daddy america' Grin Grin Grin that will be ya nickname amongst the local folks when you come to retire from america to nigeria at the age of 70

That maybe true and if they are not nice to me, I will return back

buzugee:

you know your social security checks will spend better in nigeria right ? 'daddy america' that will be ya nickname amongst the local folks when you come to retire from america to nigeria at the age of 70

Hehehe. . . welcome Daddy America.

Unfortunately, these discussions always get extremely polarised - you are either perceived as running Nigeria down (because you're broke/working a menial job abroad/suffering from 'colo-mentality') or a Nigerian jealous of those living abroad, or a boaster - I earn more money than you abroad, or I make more than you can ever make in Nigeria.

As I read somewhere else this week, there seems to be an absence of reflective thought that can be detached from emotions.

The reality is that we can't fully detach emotions when discussing 'home' or our country of origin. . . .but that shouldn't lead us into extremely polarised camps.

buzugee:

treadmill ke ? you only have 27 posts. you need stamina to roll with the knuckleheads up in hurr. i am on 900 and something but about 800 of those was during the worldcup. i was the most obnoxious user during the world cup

so you're only trying to pad your "post stats" (Tracy mcgrady)

Iyke-D:

That maybe true and if they are not nice to me, I will return back

you dont say. lmao

debosky:

Hehehe. . . welcome Daddy America.

Unfortunately, these discussions always get extremely polarised - you are either perceived as running Nigeria down (because you're broke/working a menial job abroad/suffering from 'colo-mentality') or a Nigerian jealous of those living abroad, or a boaster - I earn more money than you abroad, or I make more than you can ever make in Nigeria.

As I read somewhere else this week, there seems to be an absence of reflective thought that can be detached from emotions.

The reality is that we can't fully detach emotions when discussing 'home' or our country of origin. . . .but that shouldn't lead us into extremely polarised camps.

true talk. hard to detach prejudiced emotions during these kinda debates but running down your papa land is as low as you can get. i shall pick up my shield and sword and go to battle with anyone who verbally ( or in this case 'textually') annihilates nigeria. just call me 'captain save a ho'

occam:

so you're only trying to pad your "post stats" (Tracy mcgrady)

not guilty as charged monsieur occam

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just because you lived in mushin when you were in naija doesnt make everyones experience the same as yours. if you ask sasha obama what her opinion of america is, she will have glowing things to say. but go to the hood and ask the kids their opinion of america then you will get a scathing report.
i think it all comes down to economic perspectives here. your negativity induced by your mushin outlook is very understandable. but rest assured that this is only your experience  ;[/b]D
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Sigh!! Foolish man. The majority of Nigerians have the Mushin experience. The majority of Americans can relate to Sasha Obama's basic living standards.
Who has the higher standard of living?
Accept facts.
Nigeria is a poverty-ridden country. But, poverty is redeemable and is also honourable. What is irredeemable and dishonourable about Nigeria is our cult of materialism and constant dishonesty at all levels: we lie so much and so consistently we don't even know when we are lying.
All this leads to a chos led, money hungry and permanently unhinged society. Have you ever really listened to Nigerians talk? We don't communicate, we just hold soliloquies and play like 5 year olds.

ada24:

typical,

i don tire for una

u all are right - naija is the best country in the world!! everyone is enjoying their life.

Don't mind them. I definitely understood what you said, I feel the same way, mostly.

The problem with fixing Nigeria is that a huge demographic consists of very hypocritical people. How's any substantial amount of positive change supposed to take place? I truly tire for the typical Nigerian mindset.

In Naija, there is class system, if you come back home, and you dont have enough to live the abroad life in Naija, then which class will you belong?

the emigres have to form their own working class.

not to oppress the people at home, but to be better able to cope and reintegrate.

of course i could be wrong.