udezue:

[b]I dont think its so necessary for Igbo land to be structured just solely based on cla[/b]n coz honestly some communities are like so similar that they can be in the same province. Like Oka (Awka), Amaobia, Nibo, Nise, can be under the same province. They can have mayors to represent each town. The dialect is practically the same.

I mean do we really need a cluster of so many entities?

udezue:

I dont think its so necessary for Igbo land to be structured just solely based on clan coz honestly some communities are like so similar that they can be in the same province. Like Oka (Awka), Amaobia, Nibo, Nise, can be under the same province. They can have mayors to represent each town. The dialect is practically the same.

I mean do we really need a cluster of so many entities?

chyz:

There too many clans in the first place so that couldnt happen but the provinces is a good thing because its similar to how our Igbo civilization has always been.Also, each province wont solely be comprised of one clan.however, one single clan should be in the same province.for instance, it shouldnt be one part of Aro in province 1 while the other in province 2 or like it is today where one part of Egbema is in Imo while the other is in Rivers, thats not a good look. All in all the whole 1 presidency thing is going to cause problems and put fear in the minority tribes even amongst the igbo because of domination

experience:

Original provinces

1. Aba (Mr. Moses Onwuma)
2. Abakaliki (Mr. Samuel Mgbada)
3. Annang (Chief Ekukinam Bassey)
4. Awka (Mr. Paul Nwokedi)
5. Calabar (Prof.  Eyo Bassey Ndem)
6. Degema (Mr. S. N. Dikibo)
7. Eket (Mr. S. J. Edoho)
8. Enugu (Mr. Christian Chukwuma Onoh)
9. Nsukka (Mr. Frank Onyeke)
10. Ogoja (Mr. Frank Ugbut)
11. Oji River (Dr. Godwin A. Odenigwe)
12. Okigwe (Mr. Sam I. Mbakwe)
13. Onitsha (Mr. R. I. Iweka)
14. Opobo (Dr. S. J. Cookey)
15. Orlu (Mr. R. I. Uzoma)
16. Owerri (Mr. Duke Njiribeakor)
17. Port Harcourt (Mr. Emmanuel Aguma)
18. Umuahia (Mr. Simeon Ojukwu)
19. Uyo (Chief J. Udo-Affiah)
20. Yenegoa (Chief Frank Opigo)


A bit off don't you think?

experience:

The operative word is nations nna, thats why they would be their own leaders/presidents/PMs.

chyz:

There too many clans in the first place so that couldnt happen but the provinces is a good thing because its similar to how our Igbo civilization has always been.Also, each province wont solely be comprised of one clan.however, one single clan should be in the same province.for instance, it shouldnt be one part of Aro in province 1 while the other in province 2 or like it is today where one part of Egbema is in Imo while the other is in Rivers, thats not a good look. A[b]ll in all the whole 1 presidency thing is going to cause problems and put fear in the minority tribes even amongst the igbo because of domination[/b]

chyz:

I think each of us should leave a complaint in the complaint thread to move this thread back into politics.It doesn't belong here.

Obiagu1:

I think all you need to do is remove those that are not Igbo. If in any case some Igbo communities are part of those to be removed, then minor boundary adjustments will be done.

experience:

Original provinces

1. Aba (Mr. Moses Onwuma)
2. Abakaliki (Mr. Samuel Mgbada)
3. Annang (Chief Ekukinam Bassey)
4. Awka (Mr. Paul Nwokedi)
5. Calabar (Prof.  Eyo Bassey Ndem)
6. Degema (Mr. S. N. Dikibo)
7. Eket (Mr. S. J. Edoho)
8. Enugu (Mr. Christian Chukwuma Onoh)
9. Nsukka (Mr. Frank Onyeke)
10. Ogoja (Mr. Frank Ugbut)
11. Oji River (Dr. Godwin A. Odenigwe)
12. Okigwe (Mr. Sam I. Mbakwe)
13. Onitsha (Mr. R. I. Iweka)
14. Opobo (Dr. S. J. Cookey)
15. Orlu (Mr. R. I. Uzoma)
16. Owerri (Mr. Duke Njiribeakor)
17. Port Harcourt (Mr. Emmanuel Aguma)
18. Umuahia (Mr. Simeon Ojukwu)
19. Uyo (Chief J. Udo-Affiah)
20. Yenegoa (Chief Frank Opigo)

Obiagu1:

I’ve never seen, in my whole life, where an Igbo man took up leadership in any position and was not supported by other Igbos. MI Okpara, Dim. Ojukwu, Sam Mbakwe, Ralph Uwazurike etc had taken up leadership and were supported by all. This is who we are. I think being in Nigeria for too long has created so much negativity in our minds.

So the issue of Presidency, to me, is a non-issue. Whoever is the most popular, trusted, respected will be voted to lead us no matter where the person is from. Our nation has to be pure “merit based” in every aspect.

experience:

Bros, I am sure he was alluding to the United Biafra (essentially a confederacy or customs union) proposed on this thread that would include those other 'nations' rather than the within Alaigbo nation.

Obiagu1:

I’ve never seen, in my whole life, where an Igbo man took up leadership in any position and was not supported by other Igbos. MI Okpara, Dim. Ojukwu, Sam Mbakwe, Ralph Uwazurike etc had taken up leadership and were supported by all. This is who we are. I think being in Nigeria for too long have created so much negativity in our minds.

So the issue of Presidency, to me, is a non-issue. Whoever is most popular, trusted, respected will be voted to lead us no matter where the person is from. Our nation has to be pure “merit based” in every aspect.

ezeagu:

Summarised:

Omabala, Nri, Onicha, Enugwu, Owerre, Obigbo, Ngwa, Mbaise, Ugwuta, Aro, Igbene, Igbanke, Ika, Asaba, Aboh, Ehugbo, Etiti.

Obiagu1:

1. Aba
2. Abakaliki
3. Awka Oka
4. Enugu Enugwu
5. Nsukka
6. Oji River
7. Okigwe
8. Onitsha Onicha
9. Opobo (buffer zone?)
10. Orlu
11. Owerri Owerre
12. Port Harcourt Igwe Ocha (buffer zone?)
13. Umuahia
14. Asaba
15. Agbo

ChinenyeN:

Something more like Prime Minister would be more appropriate than President, in my understanding.

As for the provinces, ideally, they should be based off culture-group, but some here will say that there are too many culture-groups. I don't understand how or why that should be a problem. There is no limit as to how many provinces a country should have. So I don't feel that there should be a question of "too many culture-groups" in the first place. Does someone mind explaining that for me?

experience:

AND(Forgive me for having enough of anglicizing of these names   )

Thanks. Good evolution. Please keep them rolling.

Any comments on these buffer zones? (the hot topic of this thread)

Obiagu1:

Its being unrealistic is the reason MASSOB hasn’t gone far. Read PhysicsQED posts and you’ll understand the situation.
The better we concentrate on Alaigbo, but leave the door open for others that’ll [b]willingly want to join, the better.[/b]
I’m a realistic to the core.

I essentially said that because of this quote  "All in all the whole 1 presidency thing is going to cause problems and put fear in the minority tribes even amongst the igbo because of domination"

Obiagu1:

I think every province we had is already based on cultural groups, though it does not guarantee one province for one group but it does guarantee that every cultural group will be located within one province only.

Obiagu1:

I think every province we had is already based on cultural groups, though it does not guarantee one province for one group but it does guarantee that every cultural group will be located within one province only.

Obiagu1:

1. Aba
2. Abakaliki
3. Awka
4. Enugu
5. Nsukka
6. Oji River
7. Okigwe
8. Onitsha
9. Opobo
10. Orlu
11. Owerri
12. Port Harcourt
13. Umuahia

ChinenyeN:

The bolded is what I meant by being based off culture-group.

Obiagu1:

That won’t work because smaller groups’ provinces may not be viable and that takes us back to clan based rather than town based.

ChinenyeN:

At the bolded, how so? and I don't understand the desire/need to have town-based provinces. Could someone explain that for me?

Obiagu1:

. . . because when it’s solely based on clan constituting a province, we’ll have another Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo wahala all over again. So what we want to avoid leaving Nigeria will resurface again in the new nation. Also, there are too many clans and many are too tiny.

Secondly, when it is clan based, some provinces may (1) want to elevate their dialect to provincial level which will create problems (2) prevent those that are not member of the clan from running for positions in such provinces which will take away “merit” and the feeling of being an Alaigbo national from those affected (3) prevent non-members from owing important assets and influence in the province.

experience:

Please post a link to the complaints thread.

Obiagu1:

@ experience

We forgot those in Anioma, probably may be divided into Asaba and Agbor. also, Ahoada is missing in the list.

chyz:

Link to Complaints thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-490918.160.html

ChinenyeN:

We won't necessarily have another Igbo/Yoruba/Hausa wahala, because the structure of Ala Igbo will be much different. Unlike the Nigeria structure, there exists some kind of recognition of a shared sense of community in Ala Igbo. Also, the provinces in question will not be fiscally dependent on FG, as it is in Nigeria (the reason why we have LGA & state madness, which contributes a great deal to the wahala in Nigeria). I don't understand how there are 'too many clans'. There is no limit to the number of provinces a country can have. So, how are there too many clans. Also, how are many too tiny?

Regarding point 1, how is the use of lects within a province a problem? So are you saying that it would be wrong for an Nnewi province to broadcast provincial news in Nnewi, or are you speaking of something else?

Regarding point 2, it was my understanding that the reasoning behind the parliamentary structure is to allow culture-groups to taste autonomy and fiscal responsibility (i.e. Aro will handle Aro affairs, Nnewi will be allowed to handle Nnewi affairs, and so on and so on). So, for that reason, I, an Ngwa, for example, really have no business going to Nri to contest for any position and vice versa. So point two ought not be an issue, unless I'm misunderstanding the reason for instituting a parliamentary system and fiscally autonomous provinces, by culture-group, to begin with, as well as misunderstanding what you all mean by catering Ala Igbo to our nature.

Regarding point 3, considering how provinces are supposed to be fiscally responsible, I believe it would be up to them to decide how they want to manage fiscal matters, and that includes business arrangements, agreements, asset control/management, etc. So a province is under no obligation to allow non-members anything.

This is the way I'm understanding this parliamentary set-up and provincial autonomy by culture-group, as well as the desire to cater Ala Igbo to our nature. . . unless, of course, my understanding is incorrect.

chyz:

No clan gets 1 whole province to itself.Period(Igbo accent).

ChinenyeN:

Chyz, that's not good enough. Please explain why.

experience:

AND(Forgive me for having enough of anglicizing of these names   )

Summarised:

Omabala, Nri, Onicha, Enugwu, Owerre, Obigbo, Ngwa, Mbaise, Ugwuta, Aro, Igbene, Igbanke, Ika, Asaba, Aboh, Ehugbo, Etiti.

AND
Quote from: Obiagu1 on Yesterday at 11:08:12 PM
1. Aba
2. Abakaliki
3. Oka
4. Enugwu
5. Nsukka
6. Oji River
7. Okigwe
8. Onicha
9. Opobo (buffer zone?)
10. Orlu
11. Owerre
12. Igwe Ocha (buffer zone?)
13. Umuahia
14. Asaba
15. Agbo

Thanks. Good evolution. Please keep them rolling.

Any comments on these buffer zones? (the hot topic of this thread)