Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by mistakay: 5:34pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
They did not say IBB stole 12 Billion in their reports.Its same as what Jonathan did,the money was just spent in a dubious manner same thing.Lets start calling these Excess crude windfall Jonathan and Governors stole! Cos im not seeing anyting on ground here to show for the funds. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by seanet03: 5:43pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
mikeansy:
Beaf
Please what section of the Nigerian constitution says the money in the excess crude account or any money whatsoever in the Federation account belongs to the State Governors and must be spent at the demand of the Governors.
Please once again let us keep it clean and respectful. I just wanna learn something new.
and where did GJ release money on demand fron the Gvs, the fact is some of you are too lazy or rather ignorant to know what is happening in even your clan. The fact is it is the Federal Account Allocation Committee (FAAC) that determines when and how much to withdraw from the Excess crude oil account, dont be backward, this account was created by OBJ, continued by Yaradua and why putting every failure of YOURS on Jonathan. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by egift(m): 5:43pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
@ Beaf Its unfortunate that you do not see anything wrong in GEJ sharing N4,050,000,000,000 (N4.05 Trillion) to Governor in 8 months. Imagine what will happen in 4 years. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Beaf: 5:47pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
mikeansy:
Beaf
Please what section of the Nigerian constitution says the money in the excess crude account or any money whatsoever in the Federation account belongs to the State Governors and must be spent at the demand of the Governors.
Please once again let us keep it clean and respectful. I just wanna learn something new.
Are you cracking a new kind of joke? What part of the Nigerian constitution mentions the excess crude account? It it an ad hoc arrangement. Before arguing, you should be conversant with what the Revenue Formula says. [size=14pt]In fact, a Supreme Court verdict in April 2002 on the "Resources Control Suit" nullified any provisions for Special Funds in any type of Revenue Allocation formula. Therefore Excess Crude Account is illegal.[/size] http://www.dawodu.com/aluko19.htmIBB people = Foolish people. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by koruji(m): 5:51pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
Really there are two issues here. While keeping funds in the ECA may make sense, and the demands for it based on greedy corruption, there was also a real need begining in late 2008, when oil prices took a dive. The excesses of spending that went on under high oil prices could not be sustained on the regular budget - in fact they were already sharing money from the ECA under OBJ. The only problem was that the ECA was filling up faster than it was being drained - so nobody cared. Once oil prices nose-dived there was even greater need to drawdown that fund, while the replacement slowed down to trickles. Both OBJ & Yar'adua had no concrete policies to put this excess money to work for the Nigerian people other than use it to augment spending - OBJ spent $12 billion from it to pay down our national debt (that was very good). GEJ ESPECIALLY had no other choice than to spend it either. The governors smelled political blood in the water and took advantage of it - GEJ had to play this particular ball. HE IS NOT POLITICALLY NAIVE, and ANY OF THE CANDIDATES OUT THERE WOULD HAVE PLAYED THIS BALL AS WELL GIVEN THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES - politicians are not saints! What he has done now is to end that game by emptying the ECA completely, getting rid of it and setting up a SWF that nobody would be able to touch. If you followed the lifetime of the ECA you would see that the state governments went to court over its illegality and the REVENUE MOBILISATION ALLOCATION AND FISCAL COMMISSION (RMAFC)declared it illegal as well. Unfortunately for Nigeria the RMFAC is already saying that the SWF is also illegal Also, $5.3 billion of that fund was to be set aside for Electricity by Yar'adua (and the governors protested it as well), but nobody knows how that worked out. Gbawe:
Indeed . Mikeansy has done a good job showing that Jonathan will always play politics rather than do what is best for Nigeria. His capitulation to the Governors , when he knows they are blatantly looking for retirement funds (outgoing Governors) and campaign funds (Governors seeking re-election) , is an example of a leader , as you surmised , who will always be easily blackmailed to act against the best interest of Nigeria because most Politician have identified his desperate need to buy support and "endorsement" . Now that the Governors are showing "chop your dollar " deviousness (i.e collecting bribe and yet failing to support Jonathan) , as I predicted many Politicians would be doing , Mr.President want's to hound them with the EFCC !!!
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Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by koruji(m): 5:54pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
egift:
@ Beaf Its unfortunate that you do not see anything wrong in GEJ sharing N4,050,000,000,000 (N4.05 Trillion) to Governor in 8 months. Imagine what will happen in 4 years. Facts: GEJ did not share N4.05 trillion. The account was $20 billion when Yar'adua took over, it was around $7 billion when GEJ got there. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Gbawe: 6:09pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
http://groups.google.com/group/usaafricadialogue/browse_thread/thread/a24fa156aeb7583bNow that President Jonathan has decimated the Excess Crude Account
- http://www.elombah.com/news/node/4211 • Jonathans' Ambition to be President would Bankrupt Nigeria
Around August 2007, the newly elected governors of the 36 states of the federation met and clamoured for the release and sharing of the excess crude funds. The governors had been mounting pressure on the former President, Umaru Yar’adua to approve the sharing of the money from excess crude oil sales, saying that it would help them stabilise in their states which treasuries had been looted by some of their predecessors. According to them, injecting the excess funds into the economy would create job opportunities for the teeming army of unemployed youths in the country. But the Federal government through the CBN, under Professor Chukwuma Soludo refused to budge stating that sharing the funds in the Excess Crude Account, ECA, may be disastrous for the economy. Fast-forward to February 2010. One of the first acts by Jonathan Goodluck upon being made acting president was to approve the disbursal of $2 billion from the country's windfall oil savings between the Federal and State governments. Fuelling suspicion that the disbursal was an attempt to quieten those who might otherwise seek to undermine him, a charge government and presidency officials then strongly denied.
At the inception of his government, President Jonathan Goodluck inherited about $7 billion in the Excess Crude Account. The excess crude account stood at over $20 billion when Yar'Adua took over in 2007 but his administration regularly dipped into the account. Relatively high oil price meant the money in the ECA remained at $20.1 billion at the end of 2008. The account has a balance of $20 billion as at January 2009. By December 2009, Former President Umaru Yar’adua had reduced the Account to $7.8 billion. Then in February 2010, Jonathan Goodluck, then Acting President asked Federal, States and Local governments to share $2 billion from an earlier balance of $6.2 billion, leaving about $4.1 billion in the account. In March 2010, he approved the disbursal of a further $1 billion from the country's windfall oil savings, leaving about $3.1 billion in the account. The move brings to $3 billion the total amount of Nigerian oil savings that Jonathan approved for disbursal to the country's 36 states and government agencies in one month! Then on Friday, August 13 2010, the Accountant-General of the Federation, Alhaji Ibrahim Dankwanbo announced to journalists shortly after the monthly Federation Accounts Allocation Committee meeting, which was chaired by the new Minister of State for Finance, Hajiya Yabawa Lawan-Wabi that the remaining $3 billion in the Excess Crude Account was depleted and shared among the Federal and State Governments this month leaving only about $460 million in the account. $2 billion of it was shared among the three tiers of governments while $1 billion was set aside for the proposed Sovereign Wealth Fund which is yet to be signed into law, he said. The present administration is raising concern about Nigeria's commitment to fiscal discipline. There are growing concerns that so much have been taken from the Excess Crude Account without tangible improvement in the lives of Nigerians. Nigerians are asking; why is President Goodluck Jonathan in a hurry to deplete The Excess Revenue Account accrued from revenue derived from Crude Oil Sales, Petroleum Profit Tax (PPT) and Royalties over and above the budgeted benchmark of the Federal Government of Nigeria for each year. The logic for saving excess crude revenue, according to the CBN is that the oil sector is highly volatile when one considers the past experience of oil boom and reckless spending of the 70s which caused depression around 1978 and forced the country to start borrowing. While ECA was rightly used to meet the shortfall in revenues caused by low oil prices in 2008 and 2009, the worrying signs in terms of today's fiscal deficit and depletion cannot be ignored. Alarmingly, of the $17 or so billion withdrawn from the account since February 2009, it appears that only $5.3 billion was invested in any capital project – Yar’adua’s emergency power project. Even that investment has been somewhat opaque - Likened to Obasanjo’s investment of $16billion on Independent Power Project, IPP - there was no evidence that Yar’adua’s allocation actually went to the Power Holding Company of Nigeria, PHCN. The remaining withdrawals have been shared among the federal, state and local governments. Likely, these have been spent on recurrent items. Does it have anything to do with preparations for the 2011 election? [b]In an address titled “Safe-guarding Nigeria’s Fiscal Health: Some Considerations for the Present and the Future”, delivered to mark the 24th and 25th combined convocation ceremony of the University of Calabar, 08 April 2010, former Minister of Finance and Director at the World Bank, Dr. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala pointed out that while ECA was rightly used to meet the shortfall in revenues caused by low oil prices, the worrying signs in terms of fiscal deficit and depletion cannot be ignored. Warning against depleting Excess Crude Account, Okonjo-Iwealla stated that Nigeria’s huge fiscal deficit, rising domestic debt, depletion of the Excess Crude Account (ECA) and the distress in the banking sector are issues that urgently need the attention of Jonathan’s cabinet. Obviously, the absence of cranial matter between the ears of President Jonathan Goodluck means that nothing stopped this warning from going in through one ear and escaping through the other ear. Alternatively, it could be that Jonathans Ambition to be President would Bankrupt Nigeria. More than one hundred days into his presidency it is now apparent that President Goodluck Jonathan has the ambition to remain president beyond 2011 despite his party’s zoning agreement. Let me repeat for emphasis: At the inception of his government, President Jonathan Goodluck inherited about $7 billion in the ECA Account. $3billion and later another $1billion was shared among the State and Federal Government immediately Jonathan got into office as part of the agreement reached with the governors for them to allow him become Acting President leaving a balance of $3billion. And now, in preparation for the 2011 election, the balance has been squandered! Nigerians have cause to be worried as our Federal Government’s domestic debt amounted to N1.75 trillion naira or US$13.6 billion at the end of 2006 but by the end of 2009, it had virtually doubled to N3.23 trillion or US$21.8. Today, foreign debt is also rising. Few years after repaying huge foreign debts, the country’s external loan is to reach $9.4 billion this year based on a proposed 2010 borrowing plan of Jonathan’s Federal Government. In a letter to the National Assembly dated August 4, 2010, President Goodluck Jonathan requested the legislature to approve external borrowing of $5.242 billion in addition to the present $4.2 billion foreign debt owed by the country. And observers are asking: what is going on? Jonathan spends like a drunken sailor! Not done yet, President Jonathan Goodluck has earmarked $154.3 million or N23.2 billion for the purchase of three new jets for the Presidential Air Fleet. The planes, include a Gulfstream G550 and two new Falcons 7X Aircraft. This notwithstanding that the presidential fleet currently boasts of eight aircraft - including a 70-tonne Boeing business jet bought in 2006 by former President Olusegun Obasanjo, the Gulfstream V, and Gulfstream IVSP, and two Falcon 900s. Not too long ago, the INEC under Iwu (Prof. Maurice Iwu) requested a "paltry" sum of N3 billion. Now, Professor Atahiru Jega is jumping the figure to N72 billion. Finally, N87.72 billion was approved for Jega. This notwithstanding that a third world country like Nigeria, Bangladesh registered 80 million voters at a cost of $65 million in 2008 and today the good old Prof. Jega needs $500 million to register 65 million voters Thirdly, As Nigerians cry out that the Federal Government has budgeted N10billion Naira for Nigeria@50 celebrations, Jonathan reduced it to N6.5 billion, then N9.5billion. Finally Nigerians learnt that N17 Billion would actually be spent on the jamboree. [/b] Again I emphasize; Nigerians should carefully monitor President Jonathan Goodluck. I have the feeling that by the time Goodluck Jonathan finishes with Nigeria, not only will the treasury be empty, we will be at the pre-1999 level of debt! Goodbye to Excess Crude Account President Olusegun Obasanjo created the Excess Crude Account in 2004 into which oil revenue in excess of budgeted benchmarks, which were invariably set below the high international market price the country enjoyed virtually all through his eight-year tenure, was deposited. There was much opposition to the account led by the Hamman Tukur of the Revenue Mobilization Allocation and Fiscal Commission (RMAFC) on grounds that it was, at best, of dubious legality because our constitution stipulates that all revenues collected by the Federal Government should go to the Federation Account. Obasanjo still went ahead presumably because the account would, at least ostensibly, enable the country save for rainy days. The account peaked around $20 billion in January 2007. The logic for saving excess crude revenue, according to the CBN is that the oil sector is highly volatile when one considers the past experience of oil boom and reckless spending of the 70s which caused depression around 1978 and forced the country to start borrowing. That incident also ushered in the famous austerity measure and the rate of abandoned projects when the oil price crashed with nothing to fall back on as the country did not save for the rainy day. However, the illegality of the Excess Crude Oil Account and the uses it is put into, are among issues everyone talked about, and yet nobody did anything about them. For years Nigerians, including the Revenue Mobilisation Allocation and Fiscal Commission (RMAFC), noted the illegality, but no action followed. At one time a member of the House of Representatives condemned the National Economic Council's approval of an illegal removal of $5.3 billion from the Excess Crude Oil Account purportedly for emergency power projects under Late President Umaru Yar’adua. Hon. Patrick Obahiagbon pointed out the illegality saying that the withdrawal violated Section 162 (3) of the Constitution which states: "Any amount standing to the credit of the Federation Account shall be distributed among the Federal and State Governments and the local government councils in each State on such terms and in such manner as may be prescribed by the National Assembly." More elaborate provisions are in Section 80 (1) "All revenues or other moneys raised or received by the Federation (not being revenues or other moneys payable under this Constitution or any Act of the National Assembly into any other public fund of the Federation established for a specific purpose) shall be paid into and from one Consolidated Revenue Fund of the Federation. (2) No moneys shall be withdrawn from the Consolidated Revenue Fund of the Federation except to meet expenditure that is charged upon the fund by this Constitution or where the issue of Appropriation Act or an Act passed in pursuance of section 81 of this Constitution. (3) No moneys shall be withdrawn from any public fund of the Federation, other than the Consolidated Revenue Fund of the Federation, unless the issue of the moneys has been authorised by an Act of the National Assembly. (4) No moneys shall be withdrawn from the Consolidated Revenue Fund or any other fund of the Federation, except in the manner prescribed by the National Assembly." Governor Jonah Jang of Plateau State, a member of the National Economic Council, equally condemned the retention of the illegal account from which he aided the award of $5.3 billion to the Federal Government. He, like other Governors, usurped the powers of State Assemblies to allocate state funds for expenditure in Sections 120 and 121. Like General Ibrahim Babangida’s dedicated accounts, the excess crude account was wantonly abused because there is no clear law on how the money should be used. Between the President and the Governors, they can draw from the account as they please. An account that holds billions of idle dollars will not escape the attention of even an angel. Today the savings in the account is finished! Good riddance? elsdan, @yahoo.com Daniel Elombah Publisher: www.elombah.com (A Nigerian Perspective on world affairs) Office: JE Stevenson Solicitors Marble Arch, London +44-0-7958588018
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Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Beaf: 6:19pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
^ Elombah? Next thing Gbawe will begin quoting blogs and NL's romance section! IBB people = Foolish people. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Gbawe: 6:23pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
For the sake of factual balance , and in fairness to Jonathan, Mr. President , even as he has been "settling" the Governors with ECA funds, has not "blew away $27 billion Foreign reserve in 8 months".
There was around $7 billion in the ECA when Jonathan became acting President. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Nobody: 6:25pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
why is dawodu.com any better than elombah.com? |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Beaf: 6:27pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
mikeansy:
why is dawodu.com any better than elombah.com?
Seriously dude, find that out. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by mistakay: 6:28pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
Gbawe:
For the sake of factual balance , and in fairness to Jonathan, Mr. President , even as he has been "settling" the Governors with ECA funds, has not "blew away $27 billion Foreign reserve in 8 months".
There was around $7 billion in the ECA when Jonathan became acting President.
this is a blatant lie.you have an old link showing 7 billion.The current link is showing us 27 billion.Unlesss the Federal Government Dispute the figures it remains the fact. The presidency will not keep mum when a major newspaper like daily trust publishes false hood,no way! |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by monkeyleg: 6:30pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
That country is really riddled with fuccking thieves from top to bottom. Everywhere you look unbelievable stealing is going on. I don tire |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by koruji(m): 6:33pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
mistakay:
this is a blatant lie.you have an old link showing 7 billion.The current link is showing us 27 billion.Unlesss the Federal Government Dispute the figures it remains the fact. The presidency will not keep mum when a major newspaper like daily trust publishes false hood,no way! It seems you are confused. Show us the link instead of pounding tables with your fist. You got both facts in your original post wrong. These are the facts: 1) ECA not Foreign reserve; 2) $7 billion not $27 billion; 3) Whoever you are working for would have done the same or even worse under the circumstances! |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Gbawe: 6:34pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
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Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Beaf: 6:34pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
^ Your battery is weak. When will you begin quoting from the romance section in your wild eyed desperation? mistakay:
this is a blatant lie.you have an old link showing 7 billion.The current link is showing us 27 billion.Unlesss the Federal Government Dispute the figures it remains the fact. The presidency will not keep mum when a major newspaper like daily trust publishes false hood,no way!
"Daily Trust," a major paper? That laughable piece of tribalistic junk that bristles with unhidden hatred for anything from Southern Nigeria? It's best recycled as toilet paper. That paper is the starter of every dishonest rumour. GEJ met $6billion, Daily trust manufactured $27billion. Dude, if you want to damage your brain, keep reading Daily trust. They will fill your mind with so much crap that madness will follow. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Nobody: 6:35pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
Beaf:
Are you cracking a new kind of joke? What part of the Nigerian constitution mentions the excess crude account? It it an ad hoc arrangement. Before arguing, you should be conversant with what the Revenue Formula says. [size=14pt]In fact, a Supreme Court verdict in April 2002 on the "Resources Control Suit" nullified any provisions for Special Funds in any type of Revenue Allocation formula. Therefore Excess Crude Account is illegal.[/size] http://www.dawodu.com/aluko19.htm
IBB people = Foolish people.
Beaf please cut and paste what section of the Judgement you posted above specifically says the Federal Government can not set up a special fund. Even section 80 of the constitution as I have posted earlier explicitly states that the Government can set up a public fun for special purposes. You have claimed that the Governors demanded what was their right and I have asked you to specifically quote what section of Nigerian law that says any kind of fund in the Federation account belongs to Governors and must be spent according to their demand. I have also told you that the Revenue Sharing formula is only a formula that says what percentage of "money the Gederal Government intends to share" can go to the states. It does not say FG must share all the money we make. Jonathan's decision to decimate the ECA is a triumph of politics over economics and National Interest and it is very shameful. No amount of attempting to derail the thread with abuses will change this fact. It is that simple. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Beaf: 6:37pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
^ Dude, I have given you the exact name of the suit. Google it. The Supreme Court is the final interpreter of the constitution anything else is hot air and desperation. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Nobody: 6:40pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
koruji:
It seems you are confused. Show us the link instead of pounding tables with your fist. You got both facts in your original post wrong. These are the facts: 1) ECA not Foreign reserve; 2) $7 billion not $27 billion; 3) Whoever you are working for would have done the same or even worse under the circumstances!
Quite frankly the issue at stake is not whether it is 27 or 17 or 7 or 0.7 Billion. The issue at stake here is that we have a President who places political calculations with the danger to promote corruption over what is a clear headed economic policy encouraged by his own economic team of experts. It tells you a lot about the character of the man. He has no convictions just calculations he has no principles so long as what he does favours his backward politics he does not care. Surely 2011 Nigeria deserves better. Why can't Jonathan send a bill to NASS requesting the need to safegaurd our hard earned savings. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by monkeyleg: 6:41pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
Beaf,
Leave this blind support for GJ, he is from my area as well, but does not represent the best Nigeria can produce. He has been extremely wasteful, and will not get my support, come 2011. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Gbawe: 6:43pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
mistakay:
this is a blatant lie.you have an old link showing 7 billion.The current link is showing us 27 billion.Unlesss the Federal Government Dispute the figures it remains the fact. The presidency will not keep mum when a major newspaper like daily trust publishes false hood,no way!
No lie . I may be a critic of Jonathan but I draw the line at outright fabrication easily debunked wth facts. President Goodluck Jonathan has released about $27 billion to governors from the Excess Crude Oil Account (ECA) between January and now, leaving a balance of $450 million in the account. Someone with a wild imagination clearly added 2 to 7 to turn $7 billion into $27 billion. How can Jonathan possibly release $27 billion to the Governors from the ECA account when there was only $7 billion in the ECA account when Jonathan became acting President? Of course I agree with you that Jonathan , as a "more of the same" political desperado, has been using the ECA to "settle" the Governors and that is the main issue. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Beaf: 6:45pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
^ Why the new holiness? Is it because you were found quoting Elombah? |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by koruji(m): 6:47pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
monkeyleg:
Beaf, Leave this blind support for GJ, he is from my area as well, but does not represent the best Nigeria can produce. He has been extremely wasteful, and will not get my support, come 2011. It is not about the "best Nigeria can produce". No, our choices are between the rock and the hard place. I am interested in knowing who you think is better than Goodluck at this point. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Nobody: 6:49pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
Beaf:
^ Dude, I have given you the exact name of the suit. Google it. The Supreme Court is the final interpreter of the constitution anything else is hot air and desperation.
That suit has nothing to add to this debate. It talks about Revenue Sharing Formula and says nothing about whether Government can set up special funds or not. I will be shocked if the supreme court comes to that conclusion because that will run directly contrary to section 80 of the Nigerian constitution which I will post below. 80. (1) All revenues or other moneys raised or received by the Federation (not being revenues or other moneys payable under this Constitution or any Act of the National Assembly into any other public fund of the Federation established for a specific purpose) shall be paid into and form one Consolidated Revenue Fund of the Federation.
So if you are convinced that the court judgement you are quoting adds anything to this debate or whether government can set up fund please kindly quote what specific line says so. I have also told you that Revenue sharing formula is about how Government should share money it intends to share. It does not say Government must share everything. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Gbawe: 6:53pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
mikeansy:
Quite frankly the issue at stake is not whether it is 27 or 17 or 7 or 0.7 Billion. The issue at stake here is that we have a President who places political calculations with the danger to promote corruption over what is a clear headed economic policy encouraged by his own economic team of experts.
It tells you a lot about the character of the man. He has no convictions just calculations
he has no principles so long as what he does favours his backward politics he does not care.
Surely 2011 Nigeria deserves better. Why can't Jonathan send a bill to NASS requesting the need to safegaurd our hard earned savings.
Those are the hallmark of unprincipled Political Jobbers promoted far above their rank by our political system of patronage that shun leaders of vision and conviction in preference for "business as Usual " stooges who will ensure that funds meant to develop Nigeria will always be corruptly diverted into private coffers. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by mistakay: 6:54pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
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Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Beaf: 6:56pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
mikeansy:
That suit has nothing to add to this debate. It talks about Revenue Sharing Formula and says nothing about whether Government can set up special funds or not. I will be shocked if the supreme court comes to that conclusion because that will run directly contrary to section 80 of the Nigerian constitution which I will post below.
So if you are convinced that the court judgement you are quoting adds anything to this debate or whether government can set up fund please kindly quote what specific line says so. I have also told you that Revenue sharing formula is about how Government should share money it intends to share. It does not say Government must share everything.
Did you actually try google? Because the internet is crawling with enough legal documents from lawyers on the matter. You might wish to create your own interpretation, but you will only be wrestling with a rock. I don't want to waste my time arguing about things that legal experts have concluded about, over and over. Use google and educate yourself on this matter. The Supreme court says [b]ALL[/b]special funds are illegal. Period. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Beaf: 7:00pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
mistakay:
What ever is your opinion of daily trust paper here is irrelevant.Fact is its the most widely read newspaper in this part of the country,why not allow the Govt. to deny themselves? If the daily trust paper is damaging brains should i assume then the other news papers feeding you fairly tales the that north is divided there is no unity blah blah blah are nourishing your brains with the vitamins that are responsible for these rantings that smack of joblessness? Get a life man.
Have you seen the govt stoop so low to deny what is written in the gutter press? Abeg, that is too funny. Left to Daily Trust, you would think the country was at war and the North was getting erased. Rubbish! Let them blab along with their tribalism and manufacturing of news; sensible people will ignore it. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Nobody: 7:00pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
Beaf:
Did you actually try google? Because the internet is crawling with enough legal documents from lawyers on the matter. You might wish to create your own interpretation, but you will only be wrestling with a rock. I don't want to waste my time arguing about things that legal experts have concluded about, over and over. Use google and educate yourself on this matter.
The Supreme court says [b]ALL[/b]special funds are illegal. Period.
Why not share the quote The burden of proof is on you. When I quote section 80 did I ask you to go to the www and look for evidence? I quoted the section, posted the text of the quotes and provided a link. I challenge you to quote the specific line of the Judgement you are refering to and tell me what paragraph in the Judgement I can find your quote. That is how to reference a claim. Making a wild claim and asking me to go look for evidence on the world wide web sounds a bit less convincing in my view. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by Beaf: 7:05pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
Gbawe:
Those are the hallmark of unprincipled Political Jobbers promoted far above their rank by our political system of patronage that shun leaders of vision and conviction in preference for "business as Usual " stooges who will ensure that funds meant to develop Nigeria will always be corruptly diverted into private coffers.
You got that so right! That is why EFCC is on those governors arses. Please shun your governor if you can't see any evidence of the money performing in your state. |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by mistakay: 7:12pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
mikeansy:
Quite frankly the issue at stake is not whether it is 27 or 17 or 7 or 0.7 Billion. The issue at stake here is that we have a President who places political calculations with the danger to promote corruption over what is a clear headed economic policy encouraged by his own economic team of experts.
It tells you a lot about the character of the man. He has no convictions just calculations
he has no principles so long as what he does favours his backward politics he does not care.
Surely 2011 Nigeria deserves better. Why can't Jonathan send a bill to NASS requesting the need to safegaurd our hard earned savings.
God bless you man for pointing that out.Even 7 Billion Dollars is stupendous wealth.We all know that these governors are thieving criminals.Enough caution and restraints should have been employed as these funds could have changed our lives overnight.Even stinky fisher men like beef would have gotten a job . |
Re: Jonathan Blew Away $27 Billion Foreign Reserve In 8 Months! by playmode(m): 7:14pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
@ Beaf Why do you always defend everything Jonathan does? So if Jonathan were to order the execution of your relatives you will path him on the back as well? It is Nigerians like you who makes the west call us monkeys ,this Jonathan guy is clearly a greedy person who cares about retaining power to the detriment of your people but you will support him to the very end. I think you need psychiatric help because your case is very strange or do you work in the presidency? Do you really think that intelligent Nigerians will believe that crap about the Governors asking for the money. That is horsecrap , so Jonathan is scared of the Governors now? Beaf you are full of shxt and you have clearly showed that you are no better than the thieving gorilla we have in power. I am sure if you “beaf” were put in charge of Nigeria you will do worse. People like you should be executed and thrown in to a croc infested lake to be eaten and forgotten forever. It is because of morons like yourself that our country has ground to a halt and we are the butt of jokes around the world. |