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Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by bluefilm: 12:56pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
MyGeneration: Shut up Engineer wey no get workshop, dat one na engineer? |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by AZeD1(m): 12:58pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
vezycash:To get a job at Google, Apple, Amazon, Facebook et al, you will have to do something like this on a whiteboard not a computer. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by concho(m): 12:59pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
Electricboy:Abroad, no. I Started investing in self education . Started hustling legitimately and saving . I suffered bro. But now, i work once in a week and make 200k n above monthly . Will double soon if i start up my third business by nxt month . |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by proffemi: 12:59pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
vezycash: You make many valid points but then ruin the whole thing by defending the culture of excuse-giving that madridsta007 has consistently and rightly criticized. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by proffemi: 1:00pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
bluefilm: Lots of people are ranting here who should be listening and learning. Who told you an engineer has to have a workshop? Are you mixing him up with a technician or a technologist?! 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by asamaigho(m): 1:02pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
CodeTemplar: wow...this is the most intelligent reply sofar.... thank you somuch...... most people confuse engineers with technicians and site foremen.... 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by ogbonti: 1:05pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
MyGeneration: That is why the economy ain't growing.. an engineer running financial feasibility study for business plans, credit /loan worthiness of individual and corporate entities? A psychology graduate concocting numbers from nowhere to give investment advise to customers (entrepreneurs) based on gut feeling? Financial ratio, money/capital market analysis are abandoned just to approve loans based on "Oga said we should prepare the check for customer A, receive deposit from Customer B" that is why the economy is fv..ked up If u don't know these things u simply can't apply it in the real world Those engineers working in the banks are just tellers, or paper pushers, they and those who employed them don't know what they are doing |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by proffemi: 1:05pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
Jiang: The level of ignorance here is appalling. Where did you get your stats from? I teach for a living. I have taught engineering for decades. Your stats are complete hogwash, and I wonder why you're trumpeting them so confidently. 1 Like |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by uuzba(m): 1:09pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
OGHENAOGIE:I pray for your generation. You guys have this "Entitlement" mentality. They should give me. They should give me... - You need to change that mentality . My wife was born in Okokomaiko, in Lagos. The bullsh1t capital of Nigeria. She went to a bullsh1t school with bullsh1t everything. And their bullsh1t teacher told all of them that they are all stupid and foolish and all of them will end up useless in life. My wife, then a little girl decided to start reading all her books. She purchased the prospectus of primary school and read all the books complete without waiting for teacher. No NEPA, no phone . no TV. She began scoring first position in class. She used the same tactic in secondary school. Purchase the prospectus, gather the books, buy from market, collect from senior students. Read all. First position She did the same for University.... She got 2.1 because her department didn't want to give her 1st class. She joined UAC and was doing food quality inspection.. She's a a food tech graduate. Somebody told her about scholarship for masters. She browsed the site and submitted her documents. And they gave her. €33,000 scholarship in Europe .. Remember, her parents are still living in Okomomaiko the bullsh1t neighborhood. She travelled yo Europe, and did the masters. And saved the money. I knew here from Nigeria University. Before she travelled. I was overseas when when came there. We look ourself, informed our parents and married in UK. - Guy, stop expecting government to do.anything for you. Find your level. With God all things are possible. - You need to be focused in this life and prayerful to God. Not just giving excuses everytime. Do your part, God will send help to you when it is needed. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by Nobody: 1:09pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
AgreatMan:you just proved my point, your way of thinking is typical or most elite Nigerians, i never said what we are learning useless.. what is the point in learning so much theory without being able to do anything with it? Knowing something is important, being able to apply it of the upmost importance Should we go to school only to discuss thermodynamics or bernoulli principles ? You can learn problem solving skill by playing chess, or solving puzzles etc Why should we go to school, spend so much sleepless night FOR FIVE FVCKING YEARS only to learn problem solving skills. If that is your purpose for studying, trust me, there are easier ways to do it. |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by ogbonti: 1:10pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
proffemi: Ah. My brother, don't go there oooooo, they will soon attack you ooooo The average Nigerian is a statistician They concoct numbers and percentage from nowhere to drive home their points... it's becoming a norm for Nigerians online to use stats based on gut feeling to impress others... real ignorance that stinks to high heavens 1 Like |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by jesmond3945: 1:14pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
vezycash:how dare you call chinese universities useless? Why do you blame their universities for the starvation of their citizens? Is that not stupidity. If they got practical skills by working in factories, are Nigerians not working in factories? Why are they not getting the skills? If you read and understand my argument, you would know the difference between transfering an abstract concept to practical reality and learning how something is made. They are two different things. Thats why in china, they can 'photocopy' a range rover because they know the theories that define how a range rover is built. The chinese not only got the theory but knew how to transfer it to practical. Go and read IEEE papers every paper written by the chinese is heavily theoretical, even my chinese buddies would tell you the only religion they know is mathematics. 1 Like |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by asamaigho(m): 1:14pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
Dothraki:you are very wrong, engineers need more theories than practical.....when i hear people say ''we need practical not theory"... i just laff at their ignorance. i did my masters in structural eng from UCL and we were not taught something diff from what we learnt here in nigeria. we know some of of oyr lecturers can be lazy, but to say we are being taught old theories is pure ignorance. knowledge is continous, so there is need for constant improvement, what u learn from 1st degree is more like an intro, u need to specialize(choosing an area of specualization). for instance when u study civil engineering as a 1st degree, you will be introduced to 1. structural engineering 2. highway engineering 3. geotechnical engineering 4. railway and tunnel engineering 5. hydraulic and offshore engineerng 6. geoinformatic.... and so on, it is left for you to specialize. 3 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by paddyofboss(m): 1:14pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
Everything in naija issa scam |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by proffemi: 1:17pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
ogbonti: This thread itself is an appropriate microcosm of Nigerian engineering education. The ones who need to learn the most are the once who defend their misconceptions and ignorance the most, while spewing all manners of excuses. Right on this thread, I have read up to three posts from actual people who passed through the so-called scam system and then traveled abroad. If the point was education, the ranters here have enough to learn from right here, but nope, they'd rather *not* learn, and give excuses instead. That is the story of education in Nigeria for you. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by srrrr(m): 1:17pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
charliboy654:I |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by asamaigho(m): 1:18pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
Dollywood: dat depend on you.....there are people who read to understand. if you have done your masters degree, u will understand that it is your responsibility to study and research, what the lecturers do is to give u d scope and introductions.......u r not a baby that will be taught step by step . |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by vezycash(m): 1:20pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
maishai: You may be right. However, one thing you may have forgotten is this: With most Nigerian lecturers, those who successfully copy and paste what the lecturer thought them pass. Those who do oversabi and add their extra have issues. And this happens even in private universities. That's the reality of our situation. maishai: You're right about the little tools - I'm yet to hear of any engineering class in the country doing metal works - you know, basic engineering. HP started as a tool maker. As for making excuses for the useless theories universities give answer this: Out of the following three students, who will become able to drive a car at the end of their schooling: The who has read all about cars, knows the theory behind driving, can name the car parts, understands the role of friction, injection motors, drag, heat... OR The one who is seated in the passenger seat and ONLY watches as the instructor drives and knows some theory behind cars. OR The one who knows nothing about car theory. Seats on the driver seat, starts the car and drives with the instructor seated by his side? 1 Like |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by Xbursta(m): 1:23pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
nullboss:FUT Minna |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by vezycash(m): 1:24pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
jesmond3945: Simple english. All their knowledge was useless before americans brought factories over. On the topic of factories, how many factories do they have in Shenzhen alone, not to talk of the whole china. As for their math skill, they had the same math ability before Americans came over and that didn't help them produce anything. As for photocopying range rover, if I gave covenant university + OAU + Unilag + Uniben five good years, they wouldn't be able to do the same thing. |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by Nobody: 1:25pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
CodeTemplar: My friend, the system has its flaws. Quite a whole lot don't know exactly why we integrate. Many don't know why we change from time to frequency domain and vice versa. A lot more don't even know the direct application of Laplace, Fourier and Z-transform. Our lecturers bore the hell out of us with these things we can relate with. We write the curl of E in electromagnet wave theory but what exactly is that? That you design doesn't exonerate from know the operations of a project. In fact, We only design after we've understood, holistically, how the system should operate. In essence, you can can't design and supervise a project you lack basic knowledge of. It will fail. That explains a lot about the quality of our graduates. People who were never on the field should not be allowed to lecture. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by Nobody: 1:26pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
Let me tell you, i graduated not long ago with 2.1 I am far from lazy. I work 16~19 hours a day. I am sure i make more money than most of you who are calling me lazy, i live in my own house and drive a 2014 venza. Not here to brag but, lt pained me so badly because i will never be able to use 90% of what i have learned in university. All those sleepless night, night classes, mosquitoe bites and all only to obtain some piece of paper that my brain have already discard what i have learned There is no technological innovation from Nigeria, most of the design job(the main reason why we go to school ) will be given to foreigners, yet people will still come here and still defend it. Its a game over for nigeria. We cant even replicate foreign innovations let alone develop one for ourselves. No wonder universities keep shurning out more graduate than the market can ever take Anyways i am glad i realized the uselessness by 400l and i am glad i looked for alternative instead of depending on the failed system. Peace 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by vezycash(m): 1:26pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
jesmond3945: Simple English HAD. And you're a product of Nigerian education system - see? All their knowledge was useless before americans brought factories over. On the topic of factories, how many factories do they have in Shenzhen alone, not to talk of the whole china vs. how many in Nigeria? As for their math skill, they had the same math ability before Americans came over and that didn't help them produce anything. Google "Great leap forward" and "Hundred Days' Reform," "Hundred Flowers Campaign," and other disastrous and stupid reforms their theory focused government did until the Americans came. jesmond3945: By your logic, Nigerians should be able to achieve the same thing cos we have the theory. So why do they have knowledge transfer and we don't? |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by 4gunners(m): 1:26pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
Maj196:Boss!!! We happen to be from thesame field. I really want to know this programming stuff. I've started with python but find it very daunting.. Any advice for me.. |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by AZeD1(m): 1:28pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
The Nigerian educational system has a teaching problem, not a curriculum problem. For engineering, the basics haven't changed. The laws of motion, thermodynamics and co are still the same as it was in the past. The maths (Vector analysis, Differential equations are still the same). The problem with the system is we are taught to pass, not taught to know so over the years, the system has graduated people who "know" things but don't know the value of those things. As someone who has studied in Nigeria and outside Nigeria, I can tell you authoritatively that there are folks who study computer science in the West that don't know how to code. I know this because I did assignments for them. The Nigerian educational system is a slave - master relationship between students and lecturers why in the West, its more of a family relationship( I had a lecturer in the UK who wanted me to collaborate on a research with her. ) Whenever I was stuck in my project, my UK supervisor would tell me to go have fun (clubbing, get drunk) because all work and no play wasn't good for me. We do need to update some of the curriculum, but it not as drastic as the op is making it out to be but the real change needs to be in teaching methods. |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by Nobody: 1:28pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
uuzba:That's the story of ur wife, everyone might not be lucky as she was. Saying we shouldn't expect things from govt is totally wrong. Are we animals, don't we pay tax, demanding our right from govt to make life easier is not a crime. Or in the UK that u are, govt don't provide basic amenities for her citizen? 2 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by proffemi: 1:29pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
BananaTree: Your teacher ought to make the links for you, but lets accept for the sake of argument that he didn't. What stops you from helping yourself the way some students do? What do you do on YouTube?What about the dozens of free MOOC resources on the subject online? 2 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by ushafe(m): 1:30pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
Dothraki:My dear we don't even understand the theorise in-depth, if you do , then you will know how practical the theorise are, am not talking of cramming. |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by RealBadBoy: 1:31pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
Dothraki:Honestly, u are the problem of Nigeria. The theories you are taught here is the same thing obtainable in any universities worldwide. I'm an Engineer & I'll be sincere ...many Nigerian students are lazy probably because of poverty or perhaps the urge for instant gratification(flexing & yahoo). they don't want to learn. As a matter of fact, they want to be spoon fed. Go back to those theories u so hate & start looking at them if u av forgotten because u need alot of them if u want to be an engineer 1 Like |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by Light1259: 1:31pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
obailala: Best I have read here. |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by femarse: 1:33pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
vezycash: why i strongly disagree with you on the point that the theory knowledge is a scam I agree with you on the Chinese method , for decades the Chinese did not learn any theory, they learn engineering exactly the way u describe it over there , it is the reason why for decades and till now there are plenty plenty fake product all come from none other than China , and because the Chinese does not understand the theoretical aspect that made up the product , the product don't usually last and always fail very quickly , however overtime the Chinese has gone Back to drawing board and are now master of the theory themselves , thou first learning the practical gives them an edge , as u can see there are plenty smart led tv on jumia costing a fraction of the same size lg or Samsung ... same with phones , u will even see a nameless Chinese phone with a dam 32 gig internal memory for fraction of it's price while practical has made China a haven for tech developments theory ha made USA and EUROPE paradise for tech developments , look at Nokia (former Nokia in the days of java and symbian) they are rock solid product from finland in Europe , and other american product HP , DELL, APPLE , MICROSOFT, IBM , INTEL, AMD TEXAS INSTRUMENT ,their rise to success is theory not practical , however following the american way is a very tough problem the same Pascal and fortran and assembly language u were been thought now as a computer science student is same that bill gate and Larry page and Steve job were thought , they added C and C++ to it , JAVA was not taught in American University until the 21st century meaning that those guys learn it on their own and use it to do something great like Android apps and enterprise application, they use C and C++ to develop operating system all from the student ingenuity and not something that was taught in school why the same is hard to replicate in Nigeria is the bad leadership and economic condition I assure you if bill gate was worrying about what to eat , where to charge his laptop, how to have access to a computer , electric light to read and practice his idea instead of candle , there is high chance we will not have Microsoft window today simply put , the Nigeria student has so much to worry about that leaving very little of his brain to worry about innovation the economy and the leadership is the problem not the theory if u can afford a laptop without breaking bank or suffering for the next three month , afford internet connection , no electrical worries , as student , u should have given us African version of Google 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Studying Engineering In Nigeria A Scam? by Nobody: 1:33pm On Apr 14, 2019 |
srrrr:U are in the right path already, and am not more experience, I only graduated last year, currently doing my service, I realized I was wasting my time studying elect engineering at yr 3 too. In coding I do web development ui, ux and backend, also plan on getting a job, save n leave the shithole. |
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